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Bass_X0
05/28/18 4:19:01 AM
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Lets say there's a new Batman and Superman movie. Only they are both played by black actors for no real reason other than to add diversity.

How do you think the comic book fandom would react? I think half would hate the change and be called out as racist by the other half, who would say "Superman and Batman are fictional characters so it doesn't matter what race they are".
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ModLogic
05/28/18 4:19:27 AM
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ThatMuttGuy
05/28/18 4:21:09 AM
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I wouldn't really care but oh man the butthurt would be palpable.
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I is smart
05/28/18 4:23:18 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Lets say there's a new Batman and Superman movie. Only they are both played by black actors for no real reason other than to add diversity.

How do you think the comic book fandom would react? I think half would hate the change and be called out as racist by the other half, who would say "Superman and Batman are fictional characters so it doesn't matter what race they are".


More like just called racist. "Calling them out" would require that they actually be racist.
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FaultyGourry
05/28/18 4:23:20 AM
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ModLogic posted...
no

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Bass_X0
05/28/18 4:36:10 AM
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I'm just thinking back to race changes in other comic book movies. I think the only two that were widely accepted were The Kingpin and Nick Fury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-w7_NR0V0" data-time="

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ThatMuttGuy
05/28/18 4:37:10 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
I'm just thinking back to race changes in other comic book movies. I think the only two that were widely accepted were The Kingpin and Nick Fury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-w7_NR0V0" data-time="

Heidall? Valkyrie? I'm sure there's others too
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StarReaper13
05/29/18 5:16:21 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Only they are both played by black actors for no real reason other than to add diversity.

No for multiple reasons.

The biggest reason being that we have black superheroes.

And honestly, I'd rather not have a superhero who "looked like me" if they were forced in as in most cases when you write someone's entire character about one little trait, they end up looking shitty and dissuade people from being fine with it later on.
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CapnMuffin
05/29/18 5:18:16 PM
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It wouldnt change anything about the character so who cares
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Zikten
05/29/18 5:18:26 PM
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the Waynes can't be black. it wouldn't make sense with their history. they got rich in a racist time. a black family wouldn't rise up to such prestige back then.
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eggcorn
05/29/18 5:18:37 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Only they are both played by black actors for no real reason other than to add diversity.

That's a dumb reason but I bet Idris Elba would make a great batman.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/29/18 5:24:23 PM
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No. Create new leading heroes instead. "Diversifying" existing characters is stupid. Changing history isn't progress, it's changing history. Less iconic ones, or maybe some that have become unpopular and outdated, why not spice them up? Use it as a means to reinvigorate them like Nick Fury and Domino. Guys like Superman and Batman are locked down though.

Fresh Prince swapped out Aunt Viv and Nicky and it was fine because they weren't the main character. If Will was replaced, the show would've sucked...
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DracoSpire
05/29/18 5:24:23 PM
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Have you seen the backlash caused just because a woman character is playable in Battlefield 5?

I don't really have a problem with it, but there will no doubt be a meltdown over something like this. There always is.
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Bloodychess
05/29/18 5:24:59 PM
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Did black people even exist on Krypton?
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Lost_All_Senses
05/29/18 5:26:37 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Only they are both played by black actors for no real reason other than to add diversity.


Most the time this is just certain white people speculating because they care about race so much. Only some of the people involved would really know if it was specifically due to add diversity. These certain white people will claim it was only done for diversity literally every single time a cast changes from being a white guy.

Though in this specific case I can see how some of it wouldn't make sense
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BloodyNate
05/29/18 5:28:00 PM
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Zikten posted...
the Waynes can't be black. it wouldn't make sense with their history. they got rich in a racist time. a black family wouldn't rise up to such prestige back then.


its fucking fiction jesus christ
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darkjedilink
05/29/18 5:29:53 PM
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Black Superman already came out - It was Steel, starred Shaq, and sucked balls.

Now, Steel being played by a GOOD actor (Jaime Foxx if he got swole, maybe?), with a good script, would be awesome. Black Tony Stark from the streets taking over after Superman died? COOL AF!

Batman? No. Not gonna work.
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TheoryzC
05/29/18 5:31:11 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
Did black people even exist on Krypton?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7431I4L2cA" data-time="

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Bass_X0
05/29/18 5:34:29 PM
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BloodyNate posted...
Zikten posted...
the Waynes can't be black. it wouldn't make sense with their history. they got rich in a racist time. a black family wouldn't rise up to such prestige back then.


its fucking fiction jesus christ


People care about the stories in their fiction.
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pauIie
05/29/18 5:35:32 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Black Superman already came out - It was Steel, starred Shaq, and sucked balls.

Now, Steel being played by a GOOD actor (Jaime Foxx if he got swole, maybe?), with a good script, would be awesome. Black Tony Stark from the streets taking over after Superman died? COOL AF!

Batman? No. Not gonna work.


Now I want Jamie Foxx to be Iron Man
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Lost_All_Senses
05/29/18 5:40:37 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
BloodyNate posted...
Zikten posted...
the Waynes can't be black. it wouldn't make sense with their history. they got rich in a racist time. a black family wouldn't rise up to such prestige back then.


its fucking fiction jesus christ


People care about the stories in their fiction.


Still seems like a petty reason to keep Batman white forever
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Ippa555
05/29/18 5:42:48 PM
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Yes because I won't watch it either way.
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cellus523
05/29/18 5:58:36 PM
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So Val Zod of Earth 2 and Batwing team up for some reason. I'd watch an animated movie of it but I probably wouldnt buy it.
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darkjedilink
05/29/18 6:00:06 PM
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pauIie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Black Superman already came out - It was Steel, starred Shaq, and sucked balls.

Now, Steel being played by a GOOD actor (Jaime Foxx if he got swole, maybe?), with a good script, would be awesome. Black Tony Stark from the streets taking over after Superman died? COOL AF!

Batman? No. Not gonna work.


Now I want Jamie Foxx to be Iron Man

After RDJ calls it quits? Sure.
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Hexenherz
05/29/18 6:01:46 PM
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Batman - I don't really care as long as the character's well portrayed, because it's a rather specific character.

Superman - Most boring superhero imo so I care even less.
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darkjedilink
05/29/18 6:01:46 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Bass_X0 posted...
BloodyNate posted...
Zikten posted...
the Waynes can't be black. it wouldn't make sense with their history. they got rich in a racist time. a black family wouldn't rise up to such prestige back then.

its fucking fiction jesus christ

People care about the stories in their fiction.

Still seems like a petty reason to keep Batman white forever

Can you explain how a black man in America has ancestors that came to this country rich?
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AlisLandale
05/29/18 6:02:53 PM
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In this specific instance it would be stupid af.

Why waste a casting choice on a Black Superman when you could instead kickstart a Milestone franchise with characters like Icon and Static?

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KingCrabCake
05/29/18 6:06:48 PM
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Hell no
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DarthAragorn
05/29/18 6:08:22 PM
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No

DC has plenty of actually black heroes they could use instead of shoehorning some in
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southcoast09
05/29/18 6:09:02 PM
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I wouldnt watch it regardless. Im sick of these superhero movies. Its literally everywhere. Half of the shirts available in stores have superheroes or marvel (whatever the difference is).
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BloodyNate
05/29/18 6:12:08 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
Bass_X0 posted...
BloodyNate posted...
Zikten posted...
the Waynes can't be black. it wouldn't make sense with their history. they got rich in a racist time. a black family wouldn't rise up to such prestige back then.

its fucking fiction jesus christ

People care about the stories in their fiction.

Still seems like a petty reason to keep Batman white forever

Can you explain how a black man in America has ancestors that came to this country rich?


can you explain how a fucking alien can use the sun to be strong on earth? oh, is it because in fiction we can bend the rules of reality?
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Roshon
05/29/18 6:12:40 PM
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I want a Green Lantern John Stewart movie with Fatality.
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BrapEnthusiast
05/29/18 6:14:10 PM
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nope. not ever.
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darkjedilink
05/29/18 6:15:57 PM
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Roshon posted...
I want a Green Lantern John Stewart movie with Fatality.

I love JS as GL.
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AcFan87
05/29/18 6:17:11 PM
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No. But I would accept new black characters put into their stories.
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Mister_Spyker
05/29/18 6:17:23 PM
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If they say race doesn't matter, then why do it at all? It obviously does, and race is a serious issue, it shouldn't be changed on a whim. If they wanna build a story around race, do it with a character who's actually black.
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darkjedilink
05/29/18 6:19:55 PM
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Mister_Spyker posted...
If they say race doesn't matter, then why do it at all? It obviously does, and race is a serious issue, it shouldn't be changed on a whim. If they wanna build a story around race, do it with a character who's actually black.

We already have a black Batman in DC - Mr. Terrific. Super smart rich guy who fights crime with gadgets and tech.

Like you said - why not give these freat characters a real chance, instead of just pallette-swapping established ones?
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weekoldhotdog
05/29/18 6:33:11 PM
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I'd accept black transgendered Batman/Superman any day of the week
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Zikten
05/29/18 6:50:53 PM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
I'd accept black transgendered Batman/Superman any day of the week

that actually sortof exists. there is a trans or lesbian or something black girl in New 52 who works with Batman. I don't know if she still is around in Rebirth. she's not exactly Batman, but she's in the Bat Family
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Zikten
05/29/18 6:53:50 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebird_(DC_Comics)

I may have misremembered. maybe she's just eccentric looking, but I think I remember now her brother is gay. maybe that's what I was thinking of. it's been a while since i read stories with her in it
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Lost_All_Senses
05/29/18 6:56:49 PM
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BloodyNate posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
Bass_X0 posted...
BloodyNate posted...
Zikten posted...
the Waynes can't be black. it wouldn't make sense with their history. they got rich in a racist time. a black family wouldn't rise up to such prestige back then.

its fucking fiction jesus christ

People care about the stories in their fiction.

Still seems like a petty reason to keep Batman white forever

Can you explain how a black man in America has ancestors that came to this country rich?


can you explain how a fucking alien can use the sun to be strong on earth? oh, is it because in fiction we can bend the rules of reality?


This. A lot of fiction fans have weird habit of excepting ridiculous shit and then questioning every little other thing the movie doesn't comment on. Why assume literally every aspect not talked about has to apply to reality when the whole thing is based in fiction. Always came off as stupid shit trying to be portrayed as smart.
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HBOSS
05/29/18 7:10:07 PM
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Batwing & Superman-2 Val Zod in Worlds Finest.
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Smashingpmkns
05/29/18 7:10:45 PM
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Nothing can be much worse than what we have now
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Zikten
05/29/18 7:16:53 PM
#47:


HBOSS posted...
Batwing & Superman-2 Val Zod in Worlds Finest.

yea see? it already exists. most of the people asking for this stuff don't actually read the comics and don't realize this stuff already got made. there ARE black versons of Batman and Superman. whether it's a guy hired by Batman to be the Batman of Africa. or a black Kryptonian from an alternate universe
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Knowledge_King
05/29/18 8:48:33 PM
#48:


Zikten posted...
the Waynes can't be black. it wouldn't make sense with their history. they got rich in a racist time. a black family wouldn't rise up to such prestige back then.


There were rich Black people/families back then too.
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Zikten
05/29/18 9:30:18 PM
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yea but Wayne rich? the Waynes aren't just rich. they make Bill Gates look poor
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BloodyNate
05/29/18 9:43:17 PM
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Zikten posted...
yea but Wayne rich? the Waynes aren't just rich. they make Bill Gates look poor


its

not

real
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Zikten
05/29/18 9:45:23 PM
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BloodyNate posted...
Zikten posted...
yea but Wayne rich? the Waynes aren't just rich. they make Bill Gates look poor


its

not

real

you obviously don't read comics

I can tell
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alt_no_1_loves
05/29/18 9:49:51 PM
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Sure, IDGAF.
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