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If I were to play this on my Vita, should I get the PSOne Classics version or War of the Lions?

I heard WoL has a different translation but that's not important. Other than that does WoL have any downsides compared to the original?
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Battles suffer from slowdown in WotL during certain moves, especially the more elaborate spells.
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Apparently WotL has framerate issues or something? I don't know for sure

WotL also removed the JP Glitch

I dunno about you but that always made replays of the game fun
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WotL has massive slowdown during attack animations. On a PSP with CFW, there's a fan patch that fixes this, but because it's deliberately coded that way rather than a performance issue, it'll be there on Vita.
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WotL actually has worse replayability than the original due to the removal of the JP scroll glitch.

Other than the slowdown that others have mentioned, that's it.
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War of the Lions has a better script.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

War of the Lions has a better script.

100x this

the game went from a nonsensical plot to one of the best in the series
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War of the Lions is technically better written as far as removing errors but it's fucking disgusting to read. All the classic lines are ruined, everyone sounds like a middle schooler doing Shakespeare.

From every other standpoint the original is better as well.
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BlackMageJawa posted...

it's deliberately coded that way rather than a performance issue,

Why?
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BlackMageJawa posted...

it's deliberately coded that way rather than a performance issue,

Why?

IIRC, the most likely reason (nobody's entirely sure what the hell the programmers were thinking) was to make sure that the animations wouldn't play faster than they can load from a UMD. They just never thought to turn it off if you're loading from a memory stick.

Also, the old translation is a trainwreck and the new one is superb.
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The "trainwreck" nature of the old script is extremely overstated. There are only a couple of scenes where you literally can't discern what is being conveyed.

The new script is purple prose overload and just is unpleasant to read.

Snrkiko posted...

the game went from a nonsensical plot to one of the best in the series

believe it or not FFT was considered one of the best plots in the series before War of the Lions

what new revelations did the WotL script give you that you weren't able to glean from the original script?

I mean I guess it's "better" if you're a Luso fan or something

you can prefer the new translation but it didn't radically change the plot or anything
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If WotL was my first introduction to FFT's writing I'd think that game was a joke. Every single character is Frog from CT DS on steroids.

Also I'd probably have returned it.

Man I just can't stand it.
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Argath
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LazyKenny posted...

WotL actually has worse replayability than the original due to the removal of the JP scroll glitch.

Not only did they do that, but it uses the JP costs from the Japanese original, which where they differ from the NA version are more expensive. It also uses the Japanese job advancement tree, which requires you to grind an extra job level in some jobs to unlock the next one.

There is some new content, nothing mindblowing, but some of it is decent.

If you want to experience WotL, the ios/android versions are actually superior. They removed the slowdown.
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As has already been pointed out, you can also remove the slowdown via a patch on a CFW PSP or on an emulator.
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Argath

this and the loss of "Blame yourself, or God" are the only two missteps of the WotL script.

people who hate the new script for being prosey never made sense to me. even if it goes a little hard on the thees and thous, it beats the broken english of the original translation.

it also makes sense in the context of ivalice that everyone would speak like that, whereas frog in ct made no sense because he was the only one.

haters are the ones who bought No Fear Shakespeare

ib they make fun of me for comparing fft to Shakespeare
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Original FFT translation is pretty bad. WotL's isn't perfect but it's much better.
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the WotL script is often compared to Shakespeare because it's trying to be Shakespearean but fails pretty badly at it

Snrkiko posted...

people who hate the new script for being prosey never made sense to me.

it's excessively wordy in an attempt to sound sophisticated but it doesn't actually sound like anything that anybody would ever say

"'Tis your birth and faith that wrong you not I" has no punch to it as opposed to its counterpart. It's the primary example, but it's far from the only one. It just feels hollow across the board.
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Snrkiko posted...

it beats the broken english of the original translation

Such a gross exaggeration. The localization in general flowed much better in almost every scene in the original. There are a few memes broken parts, yes, but nothing ruinous. I'll take that over the over prosey WotL shit any day of the week.

Also you forgot "Surrender now, or die in obscurity!"
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WotL might have value if you skip every cutscene and treat it like a gameplay only spinoff.

But the gameplay is worse than FFT original soooo....
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LeonhartFour posted...

the WotL script is often compared to Shakespeare because it's trying to be Shakespearean but fails pretty badly at it

i mean

the original translation tries to be in english but fails pretty badly at it, to a much more severe degree
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LapisLazuli posted...

Snrkiko posted...

it beats the broken english of the original translation

Such a gross exaggeration. The localization in general flowed much better in almost every scene in the original. There are a few memes broken parts, yes, but nothing ruinous. I'll take that over the over prosey WotL shit any day of the week.

Also you forgot "Surrender now, or die in obscurity!"

don't you talk to me about gross exaggeration.

i stand corrected on the last part though

also EEEEEEAUUUUGHHHH
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ANIMALS HAVE NO GOD

I'm saving Agrias GERONIMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I mean yes the original script is cheesy as heck at times but it's much more effective and memorable, and it's perfectly understandable most of the time. Like yes, it has typos and inconsistencies, but they don't actually prevent comprehension. You just laugh at l i t t l e m o n e y and move on.
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The people who hate the FFT localization are the same ones who stomped their feet and said Woolsey ruined the SNES games.
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Woolsey is the man.
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Either version of FFT is fine by me, though I do prefer the remake
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LapisLazuli posted...

The people who hate the FFT localization are the same ones who stomped their feet and said Woolsey ruined the SNES games.

i don't think I'm the one stomping my feet here

also Woolsey is pretty great and what are you talking about
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I don't think 'cheesy' should be the kind of tone a script for a game like FFT should be going for. That's ignoring how sometimes the script directly contradicts itself.

Original Shakespeare is much harder to understand/parse than WotL is.

LapisLazuli posted...

The people who hate the FFT localization are the same ones who stomped their feet and said Woolsey ruined the SNES games.

No.
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A game with a generally dark or serious tone can be cheesy at times. There's nothing wrong with that. Lots of them do that, in fact.
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That being said Woolsey >> FFT Original > WotL and I don't agree they're all that similar either. Woolsey is the man and a great localizer. FFT is I guess you could consider similar... like it's Woolsey if he was drunk?
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Argath

l i t t l e m o n e y
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Like platemail, but reinforced with
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Life is short! Bury! Steady Sword!
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Life isn't that short
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Oh maybe WotL is better.
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Defeat Dycedarg's older brother!
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I'm playing the JP version so the translation doesn't matter guys

The slowdown sounds pretty terrible though. Guess I'll go with the original. Thanks everyone!
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We've been bested.
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MZero11 posted...

I'm playing the JP version so the translation doesn't matter guys

The slowdown sounds pretty terrible though. Guess I'll go with the original. Thanks everyone!

you could've saved us so many posts!!
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MZero11 posted...

I'm playing the JP version so the translation doesn't matter guys

The slowdown sounds pretty terrible though. Guess I'll go with the original. Thanks everyone!

Jesus >_>
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I mean he said from the opening post that the translation didn't matter

I didn't think we were arguing about the translation to convince him about it
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Snrkiko posted...

MZero11 posted...

I'm playing the JP version so the translation doesn't matter guys

The slowdown sounds pretty terrible though. Guess I'll go with the original. Thanks everyone!

you could've saved us so many posts!!

I mean I did say the translation wasn't important >_> I guess I should have been more clear!
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and really when you think about it this is all Tony's fault for not reading the OP and for being wrong
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The Japanese version sadly also has many of the same gameplay flaws of WotL, which are a pretty big deal IMO.

-In WotL, the JP (Job Point) costs of ability are reverted to their original Japanese versions which are often nonsenscial. The most egregious if Fly, whcih costs 5000 JP. You typically get 10-30 JP per action.

-In WotL, it takes more JP to go up in job levels. Additionally, the prerequisites for unlocking jobs (which is based on job levels in your existing jobs) are higher across the board. As such it takes much more time to get new jobs. When you combine this with the previous point, it takes MUCH more time to get abilities and builds together.

-Many abilities have charge times which just plain take too long in WotL. Again, this was fixed in the English version of FFT, although sadly, not for Charge, which still has some unusable skills in Charge+10 and Charge+20.

Only way to avoid this is to play NA PSX FFT (or a direct facsimile thereof), which is pretty much the definitive version of the game.

If you're playing the Japanese version, though, "avoid slowdown" is more than enough reason to go with the original - that alone ensured I never personally finished WotL; I could have dealt with the rest, step back though it may be. And I've played FFT dozens of times.

I prefer the original script, but it's not a deal-breaker. I have to say, though: I love Shakespeare! WotL isn't Shakespeare, I can't recall a single time the language was beautiful like Shakespeare often is. Additionally, WotL doesn't seem to know when to drop the floweriness and when to deliver blunt and stinging one-liners (similar to FFT original's "Animals have no god!" or "I told you I'd make you into a real monarch") Shakespeare did! Can you imagine WotL having a line like "Villain, I have done thy mother." or "Drown thyself? Drown cats or blind puppies!" I can't. I liked the new translation, but I felt it consistently lacked punch when it needed it.
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well that's why I said it aspires to be like that but fails at it
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War of the Lions would be quoted just as much as the original if it had released first. It doesn't have the nostalgia and it's playrate is much lower.

And hey, I quoted War of the Lions in my recent Ramza writeup!
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Eh, I kinda doubt that. Maybe from the more dramatic scenes, but I don't think you'd be seeing the WotL versions of some of the lines that have been quoted here flying around instead. I don't think the original coming first is what makes it more memorable. They're just "cooler" lines.
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