Current Events > If movie heroes used to be White Males, then it's NOT, why do people FREAK OUT??

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Back in the day in american movies, almost all were middle aged white male heroes..then it turned into younger white male heroes and then finally a different race and then gender.

but conservative movie goers notice this change and start to FREAK OUT and blame diversity for changing the way movies used to portray "heroes" as the usual middle aged tough white guy..why do you think people like this hate that kind of change? is it because they find it unbelievable? let's see what people think

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I think the issue is that, a lot of people don't like established characters going through those kinda changes

maybe they wouldn't mind if it was with new characters
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Because Batman is not supposed to be a black asian transfemale...
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Well, i tend to watch a lot martial arts movies and pretty much none have white mains, except maybe as villains.

Tbh i have never thought that hero should always be white.
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No one cares when new franchises have minority/female protagonists

They care when they take an already-established franchise and turn the white guy into a minority/female for no reason
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Mal_Fet posted...

No one cares when new franchises have minority/female protagonists

They care when they take an already-established franchise and turn the white guy into a minority/female for no reason

Mal_Fet posted...

No one cares when new franchises have minority/female protagonists

They care when they take an already-established franchise and turn the white guy into a minority/female for no reason

Are we talking genderswapped reboots with different characters, or new additions to a franchise with different characters?
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Mal_Fet posted...

No one cares when new franchises have minority/female protagonists

They care when they take an already-established franchise and turn the white guy into a minority/female for no reason

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.
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racism

its like asking why an interracial couple is together
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Gamer99z posted...

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.

Question: Would you have any problem if Agent J from Men in Black were recast as a white guy for MiB 4? How about if they replaced T'Challa with a random new white character who takes up the mantle of the Black Panther from that point on? What if they rebooted the Tomb Raider franchise with Lenny Croft as its protagonist?
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3/10 as far as race baiting topics go. Well below average.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Gamer99z posted...

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.

Question: Would you have any problem if Agent J from Men in Black were recast as a white guy for MiB 4? How about if they replaced T'Challa with a random new white character who takes up the mantle of the Black Panther from that point on? What if they rebooted the Tomb Raider franchise with Lenny Croft as its protagonist?

Okay on most counts. Besides, Tomb Raider itself was a bit of a subversion of Indiana Jones-type protagonists anyway.

I'd have a bit of a problem with T'Challa, considering "blackness" is pretty much inherent to his character. Is whiteness inherent to any of these other protagonists? Does being white define them as characters?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Question: Would you have any problem if Agent J from Men in Black were recast as a white guy for MiB 4? How about if they replaced T'Challa with a random new white character who takes up the mantle of the Black Panther from that point on? What if they rebooted the Tomb Raider franchise with Lenny Croft as its protagonist?

all this would be ok except the MiB one, why not get an actor who looked like the original if its not a reboot
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Mal_Fet posted...

Gamer99z posted...

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.

Question: Would you have any problem if Agent J from Men in Black were recast as a white guy for MiB 4? How about if they replaced T'Challa with a random new white character who takes up the mantle of the Black Panther from that point on? What if they rebooted the Tomb Raider franchise with Lenny Croft as its protagonist?

I'd think "why? That's really dumb. I probably won't be seeing that unless it ends up having good trailers or reception or something." then just go on with my life because it's just a movie and it's not like anyone is making me see it. There's movies that come out all the time that I think are absurdly stupid and have no reason to be made, I don't start a hate campaign against them or even let them occupy much time in my thoughts though.

Pretty much exactly how I felt about Ghostbusters. I thought "this is a stupid idea" then saw the trailer when it dropped and was getting disliked into oblivion and thought "this looks like shit" then saw some reviews when it came out and thought "yeah that's about what I expected" so I never saw it or gave it much thought.

But I also generally find changing characters if they we're iconic roles or carried heavily by the cast to be a bad call. Like if they rebooted Friday with white people, it would be stupid, but my key issue with that wouldn't have anything to do with the race, it would be because I can't see anyone but them being those characters and find a reboot unnecessary. But if the trailers were funny or I heard good things I'd check it out.

I guess I just don't really understand the point of getting genuinely upset or making something so trivial a big deal. If you're really invested in the original version or source material nothing is taking that away from you or making what already exists any less good. It's like when people see something is being rebooted or remade period and say "it's ruining [the thing]" or "omg it's ruining my childhood." How is it doing that? It's not.

Edit: Not to mention it's already common for American adaptations of foreign source material or historical figures to be white washed in movies. There's both good and bad movies who have done this. I don't start hate campaigns and bitch for months about it online or anything close to what people did over Ghostbusters when it happens.
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The23rdMagus posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Gamer99z posted...

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.

Question: Would you have any problem if Agent J from Men in Black were recast as a white guy for MiB 4? How about if they replaced T'Challa with a random new white character who takes up the mantle of the Black Panther from that point on? What if they rebooted the Tomb Raider franchise with Lenny Croft as its protagonist?

Okay on most counts. Besides, Tomb Raider itself was a bit of a subversion of Indiana Jones-type protagonists anyway.

I'd have a bit of a problem with T'Challa, considering "blackness" is pretty much inherent to his character. Is whiteness inherent to any of these other protagonists? Does being white define them as characters?

T'Challa probably isn't the best example to use, given that he is literally an African prince/king from a long line in a fictional Africa nation. Being a black man is kind of central to his character.

That said, if it can be argued that whiteness contributes to how people develop as individuals, then I'd say yes, being white would be a defining characteristic for at least some characters. Superman comes to my mind, since his character is a product of that rural farm-bred Midwestern, Methodist upbringing.

Which is a very "white" American upbringing. I know is kind of a vague description, but I think if Clark had grown up, say, black in rural Kansas, he might have had different life experiences which may have changed what kind of hero he became. Otherwise, we'd have to say race doesn't really have a concrete impact on people's experiences in the world, or at least the US. Do you see where I'm coming from with this? Because I'm not sure I'm explaining it well.
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Esrac posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Gamer99z posted...

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.

Question: Would you have any problem if Agent J from Men in Black were recast as a white guy for MiB 4? How about if they replaced T'Challa with a random new white character who takes up the mantle of the Black Panther from that point on? What if they rebooted the Tomb Raider franchise with Lenny Croft as its protagonist?

Okay on most counts. Besides, Tomb Raider itself was a bit of a subversion of Indiana Jones-type protagonists anyway.

I'd have a bit of a problem with T'Challa, considering "blackness" is pretty much inherent to his character. Is whiteness inherent to any of these other protagonists? Does being white define them as characters?

T'Challa probably isn't the best example to use, given that he is literally an African prince/king from a long line in a fictional Africa nation. Being a black man is kind of central to his character.

That said, if it can be argued that whiteness contributes to how people develop as individuals, then I'd say yes, being white would be a defining characteristic for at least some characters. Superman comes to my mind, since his character is a product of that rural farm-bred Midwestern, Methodist upbringing.

Which is a very "white" American upbringing. I know is kind of a vague description, but I think if Clark had grown up, say, black in rural Kansas, he might have had different life experiences which may have changed what kind of hero he became. Otherwise, we'd have to say race doesn't really have a concrete impact on people's experiences in the world, or at least the US. Do you see where I'm coming from with this? Because I'm not sure I'm explaining it well.

I encourage you to look into Superman: Red Son.
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The23rdMagus posted...

I'd have a bit of a problem with T'Challa, considering "blackness" is pretty much inherent to his character. Is whiteness inherent to any of these other protagonists? Does being white define them as characters?

T'Challa's "blackness" is only relevant insofar as he is from an African country. Can there not be white Wakandans?
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Gamer99z posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

No one cares when new franchises have minority/female protagonists

They care when they take an already-established franchise and turn the white guy into a minority/female for no reason

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.

People also freak out if they take a minority character and make them white. They call it 'whitewashing' and say it's racist.

I find a lot of the people who complain about whitewashing are the same people who have a problem with complaining about white characters being changed.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Gamer99z posted...

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.

Question: Would you have any problem if Agent J from Men in Black were recast as a white guy for MiB 4? How about if they replaced T'Challa with a random new white character who takes up the mantle of the Black Panther from that point on? What if they rebooted the Tomb Raider franchise with Lenny Croft as its protagonist?

Wasn't J white in the comics? Meaning we ALREADY changed his race? Like a significant portion of Will Smith's roles?
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Esrac posted...

That said, if it can be argued that whiteness contributes to how people develop as individuals, then I'd say yes, being white would be a defining characteristic for at least some characters. Superman comes to my mind, since his character is a product of that rural farm-bred Midwestern, Methodist upbringing.

Which is a very "white" American upbringing. I know is kind of a vague description, but I think if Clark had grown up, say, black in rural Kansas, he might have had different life experiences which may have changed what kind of hero he became. Otherwise, we'd have to say race doesn't really have a concrete impact on people's experiences in the world, or at least the US. Do you see where I'm coming from with this? Because I'm not sure I'm explaining it well.

How they changed the Kents and Superman in Man of Steel is far worse then making him black. John Kent suggested that he might let a group of kids die, (Why did you say that name ) Kent said you don't owe the world anything . After Clark was the reason bad guys game to the Earth. Bout being mid-west and Metionodist there are the AMEs.
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Gamer99z posted...

Star Wars 7

what ? why is this on the list
is Rey based on a male character from a comic or cartoon ?

i thought she was a new character for the movie
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At a minimum, it's a lazy attempt at "diversity". In worse cases...


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tennisdude818 posted...

At a minimum, it's a lazy attempt at "diversity". In worse cases...

Now that one I took issues (those interactions not lady Thor) with. However that is not the norm.
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Mal_Fet posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

I'd have a bit of a problem with T'Challa, considering "blackness" is pretty much inherent to his character. Is whiteness inherent to any of these other protagonists? Does being white define them as characters?

T'Challa's "blackness" is only relevant insofar as he is from an African country. Can there not be white Wakandans?

Considering Wakanda is an isolated country with little to no exchange with non-Wakandans, no.
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Because movie makers do this shit on purpose to prod the people they hate so they can claim legitimacy for their opinions. They like to pretend they'll be some historic civil rights figure.
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darkjedilink posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Gamer99z posted...

While I somewhat understand this, I also can't understand caring about it more than just having a moment of thinking "why?"
People who absolutely lose their minds like with Ghostbusters, The Dark Tower, Star Wars 7, when there were talks to have Donald Glover play Miles Morales when they rebooted it, when people thought Mary Jane was going to be black in Spider Man Homecoming, etc.
I can understand saying it's a lazy form of trying to diversify or even saying that it's even somewhat racist/sexist because it's almost like saying women or minorities can't carry a new franchise without piggybacking it off the name of an established franchise, but I can't see actually thinking about it more than just for a moment let alone going on to bitch, boycott the movie, mass spam the movie with low ratings without even seeing it, etc.

Question: Would you have any problem if Agent J from Men in Black were recast as a white guy for MiB 4? How about if they replaced T'Challa with a random new white character who takes up the mantle of the Black Panther from that point on? What if they rebooted the Tomb Raider franchise with Lenny Croft as its protagonist?

Wasn't J white in the comics? Meaning we ALREADY changed his race? Like a significant portion of Will Smith's roles?

He sure was, but almost nobody read those comics.
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Mal_Fet posted...

No one cares when new franchises have minority/female protagonists

They care when they take an already-established franchise and turn the white guy into a minority/female for no reason

Well considering Finn and Rey are black and a white woman, and stupid nerds got mad about that, they clear DO care.
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Most people in America are white males who relate to them

Not hard to figure out TBH
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Paper_Okami posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

No one cares when new franchises have minority/female protagonists

They care when they take an already-established franchise and turn the white guy into a minority/female for no reason

Well considering Finn and Rey are black and a white woman, and stupid nerds got mad about that, they clear DO care.

ive only seen complains about rey being too good without any training or a character without flaws
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it's shown in The Last Jedi that she DOES have flaws though

marc55 posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Star Wars 7

what ? why is this on the list
is Rey based on a male character from a comic or cartoon ?

i thought she was a new character for the movie

I haven't actually seen any of the new Star Wars movies but I remember when the trailer dropped there were people upset Finn I think is the characters name, appeared to be a black stormtrooper. People we're saying they're all supposed to be clones or w/e and that it doesn't make sense to change that. Even though from what I understand only thing initial creation of the army was clones just to get the army to exist in the first place and after that it was a traditional recruitment style of army.

There were also the usual suspect idiots that seemed upset by a female lead in Star Wars, like this dude when Rogue One came out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McJfTpAGXK0

His argument is effectively "LOL women don't like Star Wars and action movies, so casting one in it is dumb. This is just because of politically correct liberals forcing this! Everybody knows women only like having babies, making dinner, and crying to The Notebook! I guarantee the movie wil flop!" *Movie makes a billion dollars box office*
And for as obvious of an idiot as that guy is, he has a massive audience and supporter base who parrot him and regurgitate his points.

darkjedilink posted...

People also freak out if they take a minority character and make them white. They call it 'whitewashing' and say it's racist.

I find a lot of the people who complain about whitewashing are the same people who have a problem with complaining about white characters being changed.

Yeah I referenced that in my next post, but I don't see the two as exactly the same thing because I feel like the "whitewashing" argument actually has more merit to it. I feel that way because Hollywood does in fact have a blatantly obvious diversity problem. They don't seem to like casting minorities in leading roles where the race isn't a central part of the character aside from seemingly the same rotation of minorities that they've deemed good enough for wider audiences.
Obviously at the end of the day they shouldn't be going into it like "we HAVE to cast a minority" and should just go with whoever they feel is best for the role, but at this point it's obvious they're not even really making an effort to cast minorities in leading roles.

But either way though, like I also said, I feel like it's stupid to her legitimately upset or bothered by eirher and start some massive shit storm hate campaign against the thing for it but at least with white washing there's a larger argument to be had, with the opposite there's really not much more to it than "I don't like them changing white people with minorities in this specific thing."
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For the most part, I don't mind when a white character is reimagined as a member of a minority background. If it gets in the way of historical accuracy or an established character history, that's a problem. A character incidentally being depicted as a white person isn't enough to say that they should be white in every adaptation.

If someone remakes Jaws, Chief Brody doesn't have to be white. Brody's quest to make the beach safe for his family has nothing to do with his ethnicity. If somebody remakes Rocky, Rocky Balboa needs to remain "The Italian Stallion" because it's a major part of his character.

Gamer99z posted...

what I understand only thing initial creation of the army was clones just to get the army to exist in the first place and after that it was a traditional recruitment style of army.

i dont remember the first (or second ?)movie

but i thought they stopped the clonning on the first movie
they lost the guy they were cloning so they didnt have the original
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marc55 posted...

but i thought they stopped the clonning on the first movie
they lost the guy they were cloning so they didnt have the original

they stopped cloning once the Empire was a thing. so like, 50 years before TFA
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Foppe posted...

Because Batman is not supposed to be a black asian transfemale...

lets be honest hollywood doesn't cast asians unless its a support role.
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People flipped out over a black stormtrooper despite the series portraying legions of "colored" soldiers in earlier installments.

People are either bored or use the internet to vent. Its irrelevant to me and hopefully to you.

Because really who cares if Mal_fet or Darmik are offended? My life wouldnt change either way if they werent.
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Gamer99z posted...

marc55 posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Star Wars 7

what ? why is this on the list
is Rey based on a male character from a comic or cartoon ?

i thought she was a new character for the movie

I haven't actually seen any of the new Star Wars movies but I remember when the trailer dropped there were people upset Finn I think is the characters name, appeared to be a black stormtrooper. People we're saying they're all supposed to be clones or w/e and that it doesn't make sense to change that. Even though from what I understand only thing initial creation of the army was clones just to get the army to exist in the first place and after that it was a traditional recruitment style of army.

There were also the usual suspect idiots that seemed upset by a female lead in Star Wars, like this dude when Rogue One came out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McJfTpAGXK0

His argument is effectively "LOL women don't like Star Wars and action movies, so casting one in it is dumb. This is just because of politically correct liberals forcing this! Everybody knows women only like having babies, making dinner, and crying to The Notebook! I guarantee the movie wil flop!" *Movie makes a billion dollars box office*
And for as obvious of an idiot as that guy is, he has a massive audience and supporter base who parrot him and regurgitate his points.

darkjedilink posted...

People also freak out if they take a minority character and make them white. They call it 'whitewashing' and say it's racist.

I find a lot of the people who complain about whitewashing are the same people who have a problem with complaining about white characters being changed.

Yeah I referenced that in my next post, but I don't see the two as exactly the same thing because I feel like the "whitewashing" argument actually has more merit to it. I feel that way because Hollywood does in fact have a blatantly obvious diversity problem. They don't seem to like casting minorities in leading roles where the race isn't a central part of the character aside from seemingly the same rotation of minorities that they've deemed good enough for wider audiences.
Obviously at the end of the day they shouldn't be going into it like "we HAVE to cast a minority" and should just go with whoever they feel is best for the role, but at this point it's obvious they're not even really making an effort to cast minorities in leading roles.

But either way though, like I also said, I feel like it's stupid to her legitimately upset or bothered by eirher and start some massive shit storm hate campaign against the thing for it but at least with white washing there's a larger argument to be had, with the opposite there's really not much more to it than "I don't like them changing white people with minorities in this specific thing."

Hollywood actually doesn't have a diversity problem, though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b20FTy86P84

Basically, the racial breakdown of Hollywood leading roles is pretty God-damned close to the racial breakdown of America.
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darkjedilink posted...

Hollywood actually doesn't have a diversity problem, though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b20FTy86P84

Basically, the racial breakdown of Hollywood leading roles is pretty God-damned close to the racial breakdown of America.

Can't watch the video right now, but they most definitely do. And not just in the sense of raw casting numbers, but also the quality and depth of those roles where they're just playing stereotypes of their race. Asians in particular seemingly have it the worst there.
And also what the casting rates for a lead role in a non ensemble style cast where they're not just putting a black guy in the group for the sake of it.

I've heard multiple people say things like " well then they should just demand better roles" which is dumb because if you're not already an A list star, you're not going to really have any pull and if you don't have A lister money it's not like you as an individual could afford to just say no to the role. You need the money to live and the exposure to help you get cast in something else after that.
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Gamer99z posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Hollywood actually doesn't have a diversity problem, though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b20FTy86P84

Basically, the racial breakdown of Hollywood leading roles is pretty God-damned close to the racial breakdown of America.

Can't watch the video right now, but they most definitely do. And not just in the sense of raw casting numbers, but also the quality and depth of those roles where they're just playing stereotypes of their race. Asians in particular seemingly have it the worst there.
And also what the casting rates for a lead role in a non ensemble style cast where they're not just putting a black guy in the group for the sake of it.

I've heard multiple people say things like " well then they should just demand better roles" which is dumb because if you're not already an A list star, you're not going to really have any pull and if you don't have A lister money it's not like you as an individual could afford to just say no to the role. You need the money to live and the exposure to help you get cast in something else after that.

'I'm not going to watch the video that completely disproves my viewpoint with hard data, but my viewpoint is TOTALLY valid!'
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darkjedilink posted...

Gamer99z posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Hollywood actually doesn't have a diversity problem, though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b20FTy86P84

Basically, the racial breakdown of Hollywood leading roles is pretty God-damned close to the racial breakdown of America.

Can't watch the video right now, but they most definitely do. And not just in the sense of raw casting numbers, but also the quality and depth of those roles where they're just playing stereotypes of their race. Asians in particular seemingly have it the worst there.
And also what the casting rates for a lead role in a non ensemble style cast where they're not just putting a black guy in the group for the sake of it.

I've heard multiple people say things like " well then they should just demand better roles" which is dumb because if you're not already an A list star, you're not going to really have any pull and if you don't have A lister money it's not like you as an individual could afford to just say no to the role. You need the money to live and the exposure to help you get cast in something else after that.

'I'm not going to watch the video that completely disproves my viewpoint with hard data, but my viewpoint is TOTALLY valid!'

I said I couldn't watch it right then. I planned to watch it when I got home but okay, be an abrasive dick for no reason, that's how people have a constructive discussion.
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mrduckbear posted...

why do you think people like this hate that kind of change?

Racism.