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darkphoenix181 11/22/17 12:11:21 PM #1: |
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/20/gamers-overreacting-on-ea-star-wars-game-firms-should-raise-prices.html
http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/21/video-games-should-be-more-expensive-and-gamers-are-overreacting-to-battlefront-ii-says-analyst-7097695/
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Squall28 11/22/17 12:14:57 PM #2: |
Thats why stock analysts are the worst.
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TheDarkCircle 11/22/17 12:15:06 PM #3: |
He's a shill, who cares what he says?
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BlackHorse6969 11/22/17 12:15:54 PM #4: |
Hes making the assumption that you play every day for an entire year though, which isnt true at all for a lot of people.
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Smashingpmkns 11/22/17 12:16:27 PM #5: |
Great to know that they're gamers too
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darkphoenix181 11/22/17 12:21:20 PM #7: |
TheDarkCircle posted...
He's a shill, who cares what he says? He owns EA stock or something? I thought he was just a random analyst. --- sigless user is me or am I? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Offworlder1 11/22/17 12:22:35 PM #8: |
Sounds like an angry investor who got fucked by falling EA stocks.
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darkphoenix181 11/22/17 12:23:27 PM #9: |
@DuranOfForcena posted...
i mean, he's kinda right. games are one of the only things whose base price is the same today as it was 25 years ago, $60. they literally haven't been allowed to keep up with inflation, and that's why they've had to resort to so many other sketchy monetary tactics. it's a dilemma, for sure. meanwhile the price of basically all other technology actually goes down and down and down overtime
$500 for an Iphone is actually super cheap compared to this $3995 cost especially when you consider the Iphone is much more than a cell phone. Oh but leave it to gamers to buy into bs --- sigless user is me or am I? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Spidey5 11/22/17 12:23:37 PM #10: |
Lol AAA western garbage
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Southernfatman 11/22/17 12:25:33 PM #11: |
"Wall Street ass kisser kisses corporate ass"
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:25:35 PM #13: |
DuranOfForcena posted...
i mean, he's kinda right. games are one of the only things whose base price is the same today as it was 25 years ago, $60. they literally haven't been allowed to keep up with inflation, and that's why they've had to resort to so many other sketchy monetary tactics. it's a dilemma, for sure. they are priced to what people will pay period if that has fallen over time, it's because the volume has gone up and the new audience expects a cheaper product --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadowplay 11/22/17 12:25:53 PM #14: |
If wages weren't stagnant for the past 40 years this would be okay.
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s0nicfan 11/22/17 12:25:55 PM #15: |
Doesn't this analysis assume that publishers aren't in a giant gaming "bubble" right now? Sure, EA should charge $134 per game to make exactly as much money as they were going to make with loot crates, but the fundamental assumption with this analysis is that what they were going to make was reasonable to begin with.
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:26:38 PM #16: |
DuranOfForcena posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...meanwhile the price of basically all other technology actually goes down and down and down overtime you clearly do not either real item value declines can outpace inflation and often do when volume goes way up. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 11/22/17 12:26:42 PM #17: |
@DuranOfForcena posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...meanwhile the price of basically all other technology actually goes down and down and down overtime explain it to me then tell me why cell phone haven't gone up from their initial $3,995 price via inflation I will wait for your answer --- sigless user is me or am I? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 11/22/17 12:27:11 PM #18: |
Darkman124 posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...i mean, he's kinda right. games are one of the only things whose base price is the same today as it was 25 years ago, $60. they literally haven't been allowed to keep up with inflation, and that's why they've had to resort to so many other sketchy monetary tactics. it's a dilemma, for sure. Which is killing devs, so many have gone bankrupt over the years. Though they really should just focus on making a good game and putting less emphasis into the useless money hog known as graphics. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 11/22/17 12:28:08 PM #19: |
LightHawKnight posted...
Which is killing devs, so many have gone bankrupt over the years. can you give examples? --- sigless user is me or am I? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:28:22 PM #20: |
LightHawKnight posted...
Which is killing devs, so many have gone bankrupt over the years. Though they really should just focus on making a good game and putting less emphasis into the useless money hog known as graphics. if devs are going bankrupt in a market with INCREASING volume, they are spending too much in development on things that do not enhance sales likely a result of a push from hardware manufacturers, who clearly are not reimbursing them for such costs --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Link HT 11/22/17 12:28:33 PM #21: |
Haha what a pos. The market determines what something is worth and the amount of solid and COMPLETE games for $60 that are out there are proof that's he's bullshitting.
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s0nicfan 11/22/17 12:29:37 PM #24: |
DuranOfForcena posted...
Darkman124 posted...they are priced to what people will pay 25 years ago games didn't make a billion dollars on launch weekend because the number of people buying games was much, MUCH smaller. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 11/22/17 12:30:03 PM #25: |
Darkman124 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...Which is killing devs, so many have gone bankrupt over the years. Though they really should just focus on making a good game and putting less emphasis into the useless money hog known as graphics. And yet all fans care about is graphics. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Link HT 11/22/17 12:31:24 PM #26: |
s0nicfan posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...Darkman124 posted...they are priced to what people will pay Not to mention technology has evolved along the way. The prices of electronics and software have changed completely. You can't be comparing costs like this it's just childish. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:32:22 PM #27: |
DuranOfForcena posted...
that's exactly my point. people don't want to see any higher than a $60 base price tag on games. if it's higher, they won't buy it. and that's because games have always been that price, even 25 years ago. but $60 25 years ago is not the same as $60 today. hence, gaming companies have had to resort to other methods of getting more money out of their products, almost entirely more sketchy and underhanded than simply raising the base price. so, like it or not, we as consumers brought these s***ty monetary practices on ourselves. that's the truth. no it is not. volume has dramatically risen over time. people don't pay $60 because "it always cost $60", they pay that because they feel it's not a good deal above that price. if that $60 is worth $50 in last decade's money, then the perception of value in a single video game has gone down. given that the total volume of video games has dramatically risen, perceiving one game to have less value is completely natural and consistent with every other product development cycle ever. selling an item with a fixed development cost for 40% less per item, but with a sales volume that is 100% greater, is a net gain to the developer the problem is development cycles have ballooned in cost, which is absolutely not the customers' fault--in fact, high volume sales of relatively low-development cost games demonstrates that the fault for this scenario is entirely on developers who insist on including high-cost elements they cannot afford --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:33:29 PM #28: |
LightHawKnight posted...
And yet all fans care about is graphics. which fans are you talking about if you look at game sales by total volume the biggest sellers are not the most graphically impressive products --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Offworlder1 11/22/17 12:33:53 PM #29: |
Anyone else remember when games costed $50, there were expansion packs instead of DLC that offered lots of new content and companies actually offered complete games ?
$60 is a fair price for a standard edition, if prices were higher most people would stop buying new games cause it is just too expensive. Gaming needs to stay an affordable hobby or people will quit gaming and kill the industry. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlephZero 11/22/17 12:33:58 PM #30: |
He's setting targets for what he thinks the stock for those three companies is worth per share. He isn't saying games should cost $150.
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:35:24 PM #31: |
Offworlder1 posted...
Anyone else remember when games costed $50, there were expansion packs instead of DLC that offered lots of new content and companies actually offered complete games ? XPacks worked when total volume of games was less now i feel little motivation to buy an Xpack when I can just move on to the next full game DLC works now because it gets a player while they're still invested in the game --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 11/22/17 12:35:31 PM #32: |
To be clear, I think that bolded section is talking about stock prices, not game prices
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DanHarenChamp 11/22/17 12:35:34 PM #33: |
They definitely should cost more but not 150ish lol thats jst a joke. I'd buy 1 game per year max as opposed to my current average of 3 games per year.
IMO the true cos should be around 70-80, somewhere between those numbers. Thing is everyone is mentally programmed to not care about the price of new games knowing that its 59.99 every time, so its not even something u think about, u just think about whether you want the game. If they jack up the price people will reconsider if its even worth getting. And alot of the times it wont be worth it. --- literally the jags ... Copied to Clipboard!
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daftpunk_mk5 11/22/17 12:35:35 PM #34: |
2.5 hours a day for a year, lmao
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eston 11/22/17 12:36:52 PM #35: |
The gaping flaw in his argument is that we plain and simply do not measure the monetary value of entertainment media by the amount of time spent enjoying it. A 3 hour movie does not cost more to see than a 90 minute movie. People who only watch tv for an hour a day do not pay less than those who watch it for 6+ hours a day. Thats just not how it works.
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SapphireOfChaos 11/22/17 12:37:00 PM #36: |
This guy, Evan Wingren, is in EA's pocket. Old news.
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Polycosm 11/22/17 12:37:36 PM #37: |
I've only surpassed 1000 hours on one game, ever. 2.5 hours per day for a year is not at all realistic or typical.
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:38:37 PM #38: |
lol, so he's literally writing damage control for their board
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daftpunk_mk5 11/22/17 12:39:24 PM #39: |
eston posted...
The gaping flaw in his argument is that we plain and simply do not measure the monetary value of entertainment media by the amount of time spent enjoying it. A 3 hour movie does not cost more to see than a 90 minute movie. People who only watch tv for an hour a day do not pay less than those who watch it for 6+ hours a day. Thats just not how it works. And he somehow is under the mind boggling assumption that everything costs the same to make per hour. --- Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X 11/22/17 12:39:40 PM #40: |
If loot boxes were as good as overwatch loot boxes it would be so much better problem is people will complain no matter what. the gaming industry is in a win lose situation where the fan base is divided so there's barely any way to please both parties.
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NeonOctopus 11/22/17 12:39:55 PM #41: |
iirc, that "analyst" is actually an investor to EA >_> I need to doubt check that though.
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Questionmarktarius 11/22/17 12:40:10 PM #42: |
He's not wrong, though.
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darkphoenix181 11/22/17 12:40:22 PM #43: |
Antifar posted...
To be clear, I think that bolded section is talking about stock prices, not game prices edited --- sigless user is me or am I? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Link HT 11/22/17 12:41:08 PM #44: |
daftpunk_mk5 posted...
eston posted...The gaping flaw in his argument is that we plain and simply do not measure the monetary value of entertainment media by the amount of time spent enjoying it. A 3 hour movie does not cost more to see than a 90 minute movie. People who only watch tv for an hour a day do not pay less than those who watch it for 6+ hours a day. Thats just not how it works. he's not, he's just being a shill. What's mind boggling is why anyone would give a shit about what this guy has to say and publish it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 11/22/17 12:41:32 PM #45: |
darkphoenix181 posted...
Gamers aren't overcharged, they're undercharged (and we're gamers) oh fuck off. I hate him already --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlephZero 11/22/17 12:41:57 PM #46: |
NeonOctopus posted...
iirc, that "analyst" is actually an investor to EA >_> I need to doubt check that though. No fucking shit. He wrote an article saying now is a good time to invest in EA. Of fucking course he is invested in them. --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:42:07 PM #47: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
He's not wrong, though. he is. the growing volume of the industry and the prolific nature of used game sales and steam sales for PC games places a hard cap on the price a company can expect for a single video game. independent development companies don't even try to charge $60 for a game. they set up a development cycle with costs built in to support a price target they think can be swung at release. the bigger companies have an ad campaign behind their games, and typically that is what enables them to manage $60. pricing higher just means people delay their buy, the launch weekend fails, investors get skittish, and the board gets slammed. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 11/22/17 12:42:50 PM #48: |
darkphoenix181 posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...darkphoenix181 posted...meanwhile the price of basically all other technology actually goes down and down and down overtime still waiting for you to explain to me why cell phones don't cost like $8000 today because inflation --- sigless user is me or am I? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 11/22/17 12:43:00 PM #49: |
AlephZero posted...
No f***ing s***. He wrote an article saying now is a good time to invest in EA. Of f***ing course he is invested in them. this is older than dirt and the worst kind of text to video ever made but always relevant when someone is telling you to buy the dip even when they're right --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 11/22/17 12:47:22 PM #50: |
IMO it's a bit ironic since at it's core the whole point of the loot box system (from a gamer's perspective) is that you can pay real money so that you don't have to spend hours grinding
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