Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 7 - I would have mourned my loss of life

(+) Yeah! (+)

Had I not known
that I was dead
already
I would have mourned
my loss of life.

- Ota Dokan

Alive (6):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy
SBell
Scare
Sceptile

Dead (9):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin
[KN2] KBM - Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop
[LD3] Red - Saigo Takamori, MAFIA Vanilla
[KN3] Phoenix - Takenaka Shigekata, TOWN Prostitute
[LD4] VeryInsane - Meiji, MAFIA Godfather
[KN4] Plum - Tokugawa Yoshinobu, TOWN Jack of All Trades

Votals as of topic 6, post #452 (Scare)

[3] Scare - (SBell), Death, Sceptile, Dowolf
[1] No Lynch - (Dowolf), Gravy

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM EDT on Sunday (About 24 hours and 25 minutes)
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can I vote myself?

Its not not playing to win, Its legit strategy for town at this point

lets see

##Vote: Scare

(hello wife)
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You may not vote yourself
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I tried wife
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That's an odd tactic. I guess I can't rule out the possibility that he asked Reg in advance and knew that wouldn't work to fake it. Maybe that's too convoluted.
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Want me to hammer
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lol
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may as well so you guys can get night going

you scum bastard
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I mean you tried to kill yourself..?
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too soon gravy too soon
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Hey man I wanna NL but dowolf doesn't wanna so lol
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If you want to hammer, I don't mind.
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i want this day to end.

somehow.

I am a simple man.
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Obellisk posted...

So if scare is scum go us. If scare is town I got lots of time to read up on the game.

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this is the day that never ends.

it just goes on and on my friends.
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I tried
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Tag
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I dreamed a dream in days gone by
When hope was high
And votes were pouring
I dreamed that Scare would someday die
I dreamed the noose would be forgiving
Then it was night; we're unroleblocked
And pow'rs were given, used and wasted
There was no scumteam left unkilled
No win unwon,
No wine was WIFOMed
But the votals froze at 3
One more, they'd strike with thunder
Yet they tore my hopes apart
Yet they turned my dreams to shame
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That was beautiful.
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Well reg is probably asleep so no point hammering.
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I'm at a Tim mcgraw Faith hill concert and I know none of there music so I'm just saying I GOTTA HAVE FAITH in a fred durst voice
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Actually i guess he was on 7 mins ago
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tag
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I really expected this day to be over by the time I woke up.
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dowolf posted...

I really expected this day to be over by the time I woke up.

Nope.
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And they say that just one vote can save us
I guess I'll just stand here and wait
I'll hold to the hopes of the dead town
Watch as we all waste away

Now that the day isn't ending, here's words that I'm posting to you
But they aren't the words of dead Sir Chris, and that's why I fear they won't do

And scum's watching us
(Watching us)
And town's watching us
(Watching us)
As we all waste away~
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man
why is this still going?
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##unvote:
##vote: scare

I
Went to
Bed
Got real sleepy
Long day indeed
Revitalized
As i sit on a toilet and poop
And hammer scare.
Fin.
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Stop
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[4] Scare - (SBell), Death, Sceptile, Dowolf, Gravy
[0] No Lynch - (Dowolf), (Gravy)

Scare has been lynched. He was Yamakawa Hiroshi, TOWN Vanilla

Alive (5):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy
SBell
Sceptile

Dead (10):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin
[KN2] KBM - Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop
[LD3] Red - Saigo Takamori, MAFIA Vanilla
[KN3] Phoenix - Takenaka Shigekata, TOWN Prostitute
[LD4] VeryInsane - Meiji, MAFIA Godfather
[KN4] Plum - Tokugawa Yoshinobu, TOWN Jack of All Trades
[LD5] Scare - Yamakawa Hiroshi, TOWN Vanilla

Day will begin either when I receive a PM from all living players, or as close to 24 hours from now as I can get MZero to do it (I will be at work at the 24 hour mark). Whichever comes first. The deadline for night actions is Noon Eastern tomorrow
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The Imperials laid siege on Kyoto, and had the upper hand as the Shogunate forces struggled to defend the palace. Seeking reinforcements, they called for Yamakawa Hiroshi to return and help fortify the defenses. However, Yamakawa was unable to pass through the attackers, so he devised a plan. He assembled a Lion Dance marching group, and marched right in front of the armies and into the castle. Matsudaira Katamori was impressed, and named him the commander of the defenses. Unfortunately, he died in combat the same day.

Scare has been lynched! He was Yamakawa Hiroshi, TOWN Vanilla.

The Shogunate continued to struggle against the invading imperials, and suffered many casualties. Among them was the adopted heir of the prestigous Makino clan, Makino Tadakuni, daimyo of the Nagaoka domain.

Sceptile has died! He was Makino Tadakuni, TOWN Vanilla.

After several victories, the Shogunate has tasted defeat. The Imperials prepare for one final push to retake the Capital and establish their dominance over the country. The Shogunate is looking to deal the finishing blow and preserve their rule. One battle remains to decide the future of the country.

Alive (4):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy
SBell

Dead (10):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin
[KN2] KBM - Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop
[LD3] Red - Saigo Takamori, MAFIA Vanilla
[KN3] Phoenix - Takenaka Shigekata, TOWN Prostitute
[LD4] VeryInsane - Meiji, MAFIA Godfather
[KN4] Plum - Tokugawa Yoshinobu, TOWN Jack of All Trades
[LD5] Scare - Yamakawa Hiroshi, TOWN Vanilla
[KN5] Sceptile - Makino Tadakuni, TOWN Vanilla

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch (or 2 to No Lynch). Day ends 48 hours from this post

@htaeD
@dowolf
@greengravy294
@Obellisk
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tag
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rip
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At work tonight but I kinda figure it's Sbell
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ugh..
damnit

too tired too use my brain
didnt even get a lot of time to regroup my thoughts, what I got is..

logically I feel Gravy has to be the last scum, he makes the most sense to be
but I am way less certain about that now than I was about Scare yesterday

Sbell.. I dont know, plums detective scan reveals a roleblocker does exist
would the roleblocker fake blocking himself at the start of the game? under what circumstances did sbell claim again?

dowolf I trust mostly of his push against red and his reckless-to the point of endangering his image-defense of pez
though I do think he should claim today, get all the info on the table
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also if we do want to go down the NL path first (it cant hurt us, is my thinking on it)
we should still use as much of this day as we can
need time to investigate past topics (well, tomorrow that is. I am not staying awake for the next eight hours)
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Okay. So we're no lynching. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, SBell is the last scum. Why?

Gravy and Death are cleared by votals. This should be fairly obvious to all of you. Gravy was opposite a scum lynch, and was pushed by Red. Death was a super-key vote in lynching Red, coming in both 2nd and 4th on the lynch. Meanwhile, we have a really overpowered town. Jailkeeper + Bodyguard + Cop + Prostitute + Jack with two scans and a full-save? In 15? Seriously? Something is majorly wrong here.

Additionally, if SBell is town, scum grievously misplayed n2. The correct play, 100% of the time, is to block and kill KBM. If SBell is telling the truth, they didn't do that. Instead, they blocked blindly. We know it must have been blind because we know, thanks to Plum's detective scan, that the final scum is the roleblocker.
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I see what you are saying

I did consider towns power, and it does seem too much from what we know about the scumteam by now

I didnt consider that if sbell is telling the truth, scum shot KBM without fear of KBM being protected or anything (But if they blocked KBM, nobody could counter Sbells block)

also it was sbells vote that almost took red away from the lynch on day3..

aahh.. I need to process all this with a clearer head
goodnight for now
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Yeah, we aren't lynching me. Gravy, you are being foolish here and obv. haven't read the whole game.

I had zero reason to claim. ZERO. Scum doesn't unprovoked and unthreatened go out on a limb with nearly no powers revealed and claim a power that could easily be countered. At the time of my claim I was roleblocked two nights in a row and scum got two perfect kills off and I chose to reveal to town what I knew, perhaps a day early, so that town had more information to work with, after kbm didn't get protection and I was roleblocked it had to be obvious to scum that roleblock ing me was the right play.

I've had no suspicion all game, I've received no votes. I was prepared to kill different two scum on day 1 and have been a shining beacon of town all game. My previous last 48ish hours of game play have certainly been lighter but I've been very busy with the kids. I will now be rereading the entire game. I am not letting either of the two remaining town left in this game ruin it for the rest of us by attempting to lynch me.

With all that said. We no lynch today. But no early hammering. I want as much time as possible to figure this out.
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htaeD posted...

I see what you are saying

I did consider towns power, and it does seem too much from what we know about the scumteam by now

I didnt consider that if sbell is telling the truth, scum shot KBM without fear of KBM being protected or anything (But if they blocked KBM, nobody could counter Sbells block)

also it was sbells vote that almost took red away from the lynch on day3..

aahh.. I need to process all this with a clearer head
goodnight for now

I don't think an argument can be based off of whether or not scum might have been afraid of something. That's a wild theory.

As for Red. I was always on him and going to kill him. My swap to gravy was to work through my own suspicions of him. And now that is full on in question because all 3 of you are possibly scum right now.


In fact gravy is my prime suspect. Replaced in. Clearly hasn't read whole game and immediately showed up to mimic scept who was very confused town.
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No reason not to game the system and NL until scum is bored imo
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Topic 6 is now available on the archive

Since I forgot to link it in the first post, http://lolreg.altervista.org/Japan/
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Obellisk posted...

I had zero reason to claim. ZERO. Scum doesn't unprovoked and unthreatened go out on a limb with nearly no powers revealed and claim a power that could easily be countered. At the time of my claim I was roleblocked two nights in a row and scum got two perfect kills off and I chose to reveal to town what I knew, perhaps a day early, so that town had more information to work with, after kbm didn't get protection and I was roleblocked it had to be obvious to scum that roleblock ing me was the right play.

1) Scum take risks.
2) Why would giving us that information help us? If you are town, all you accomplished there was telling scum who you are.
3) Why did scum know to roleblock you?
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That said I am fairly sure it is Sbell here. His wishy washy attitude truly strikes me as not actually really caring if I was lynched or not. As soon as pressure mostly died on me day 3 he kinda just said "okay he's town".

Moreover, BG I don't really fits with 3 scanning abilities and a Jailkeeper vs. a fairly weak team of mafia. Like plum had a track/watch a doc save (I think) and a detective? And a prosty that confirms the role -- etc
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dowolf posted...

Obellisk posted...

I had zero reason to claim. ZERO. Scum doesn't unprovoked and unthreatened go out on a limb with nearly no powers revealed and claim a power that could easily be countered. At the time of my claim I was roleblocked two nights in a row and scum got two perfect kills off and I chose to reveal to town what I knew, perhaps a day early, so that town had more information to work with, after kbm didn't get protection and I was roleblocked it had to be obvious to scum that roleblock ing me was the right play.

1) Scum take risks.
2) Why would giving us that information help us? If you are town, all you accomplished there was telling scum who you are.
3) Why did scum know to roleblock you?

1) scum takes risk on claiming bad roleblocker...? But doesn't take risk on not blocking kbm when they kill her? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
2) they killed kbm confirmed cop and roleblocked me the same night. Clearly they knew who I was. I felt it was useful for town to be informed as scum was in regards to information regardless of how useless it ended up being.
3) I nailed 2 scum day 1. Also teased chris about him not liking me not helping him later. Bad move in the long run.
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Obellisk posted...

As for Red. I was always on him and going to kill him. My swap to gravy was to work through my own suspicions of him. And now that is full on in question because all 3 of you are possibly scum right now.

You voted Red for exactly 7 minutes, 4 about forty minutes from lynch and 3 right at the end, when it was clear he was gonna die. D1 votes are the most irrelevant things in the world. You spent far more time voting Gravy.
Obellisk posted...

1) scum takes risk on claiming bad roleblocker...? But doesn't take risk on not blocking kbm when they kill her? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

These are not one and the same. Do not pretend otherwise. You claimed power, figured (correctly) that bodyguard was open, and had to come up with a reason KBM had died. This requires you to be roleblocked. Then, you hope no one realizes that no one points out the illogic in that (or, alternatively, you didn't notice it yourself).
Obellisk posted...

Clearly they knew who I was.

How.
Obellisk posted...

3) I nailed 2 scum day 1. Also teased chris about him not liking me not helping him later. Bad move in the long run.

Again, D1 votes don't matter.
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greengravy294 posted...

That said I am fairly sure it is Sbell here. His wishy washy attitude truly strikes me as not actually really caring if I was lynched or not. As soon as pressure mostly died on me day 3 he kinda just said "okay he's town".

No, I read your response and it played to me on a personal lvl. I let it convince me you were town. What other people were doing at that moment didn't mean shit to me. I did what I needed to do at that moment to feel better about you. Just because town has a clear consensus on who we are ly ching doesn't mean I can't continue to scumhunt. Last hour of the day is a great time to catch someone.

However I may have been greatly mistaken in trusting you after our interaction.
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Dowolf. Work with me for a second.

You are a bodyguard. You protect VI night one (stupidly, it's true)

Night two you protect the confirmed cop and are roleblocked again and the cop dies.

Would you not consider the fact that scum NOW at the start of day 3 has found protection?

It's the only logical thought.
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The only thing I can think as for roleblock ing me N1 was my inadvertent soft protection claim.
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i kinda want to vote no lynch now.

but death asked nicely so.
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