Current Events > This new robot can make 400 burgers per hour. Many jobs soon to be displaced

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https://www.geek.com/tech/400-burger-per-hour-robot-will-put-teenagers-out-of-work-1703546/

for some reason the article thinks this will mainly affect teenagers, when the average age of a burger flipper is late 20s with a high school diploma.
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I like how they pretend it's about teenagers. Teenagers got thrown out of that field ages ago and now have an extra hard time finding their first job.
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fair, next

this is what happens when you feel entitled to more than you produce
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First they came for the middle class work, and now they're going for the lower class work. Capitalism. *thumbs up*
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oh man, i made a topic about this on 261 about automation.

nobody is answering certain questions:

1. What new jobs have been created by automation in the past few decades?
I found some articles and all I found were joke jobs like SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/29/10-jobs-that-werent-around-in-1989.html
(its a sliding site)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/06/10-jobs-that-didn-t-exist-10-years-ago/

2. If google translate becomes perfect, what's stopping someone from sending engineering and programming jobs over to Ukraine to some dude for 5k a year?
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good. teenagers are awful at placing the pickles and onions on my burger
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Cool.
I wonder how big the machine actually is. Robots that wont spit in your food > people.


Wonder if this will reduce foodborne illnesses.
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Machines will take over every job within 20 years. Even most "creative" ones. Hope we're prepared.
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foreveraIone posted...

1. What new jobs have been created by automation in the past few decades?

help desk, customer support, IT technicians, etc.

but really the US is shifting more and more towards skilled/specialized labor being the dominant force here, which is common sense as more and more americans are able to secure educations and technology is advancing at a very quick rate.

the streets are not lined with cobblers, typewriter manufacturers, and switchboard operators that cannot find work after their fields dried up, you have to adapt. it sucks but that is the nature of having an economy, i dont prescribe to the notion that "things happen that arent good in the economy --> we must have a planned economy"
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green butter posted...

but really the US is shifting more and more towards skilled/specialized labor being the dominant force here, which is common sense as more and more americans are able to secure educations and technology is advancing at a very quick rate.

Yeah, at the cost of having $30,000 in student loan debt before you're even 23. Welcome to adulthood.
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What a coincidence, '400 Burgers per Hour' is the name of my Meatloaf cover band
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Let's regulate procreation/immigration more and institute a UBI.

Instead, everyone wants to take half measures.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSff3x07Sc
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Bullet_Wing posted...

I feel like there will be a strong push towards UBI in the coming ten years or so. I don't think we're ready for it though.

That sounds too much like socialism and relying on the government. You'll never get average, blue collar Americans agreeing to that.
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Alucard188 posted...

That sounds too much like socialism and relying on the government. You'll never get average, blue collar Americans agreeing to that.

Yes you will. Those average, blue collar Americans will probably be the first to be displaced.
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Alucard188 posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

I feel like there will be a strong push towards UBI in the coming ten years or so. I don't think we're ready for it though.

That sounds too much like socialism and relying on the government. You'll never get average, blue collar Americans agreeing to that.

the landscape of society will be very different in 20 or 30 years. when robots are doing every single unskilled job, i suspect that sentiment will gradually shift over time.
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It is funny how fast food worker who want to get paid a living wage are just entitled, but coal minders who want more aren't.
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foreveraIone posted...

Alucard188 posted...

That sounds too much like socialism and relying on the government. You'll never get average, blue collar Americans agreeing to that.

Yes you will. Those average, blue collar Americans will probably be the first to be displaced.

they will definitely be the first ones displaced
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They should make a robot that fixes McDonald's milk shake machine.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSff3x07Sc

*pats you on the head*
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foreveraIone posted...

oh man, i made a topic about this on 261 about automation.

nobody is answering certain questions:

1. What new jobs have been created by automation in the past few decades?
I found some articles and all I found were joke jobs like SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/29/10-jobs-that-werent-around-in-1989.html
(its a sliding site)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/06/10-jobs-that-didn-t-exist-10-years-ago/

2. If google translate becomes perfect, what's stopping someone from sending engineering and programming jobs over to Ukraine to some dude for 5k a year?

We're going to get fucked massively. Any moderately smart person knows it, but very strong interests out there (e.g. megacorporations, lobbying groups, governments) don't want us to see it, because if people see it they will resist it.

They give people stupid excuses that are easily debunked:

1) "Automation will create new jobs!"

This is a lie. Well, not strictly a lie, but the jobs it creates are not for the same people it displaces, nor is it the same number of jobs.

The best example is, "100,000 truck drivers, aged over 40, with a high school diploma were displaced by self driving trucks, they used to earn 40k a year" and "the jobs generated by truck driver automation is 20 software developer jobs for IT guys with computer science degrees and 4 industry certifications, based in Bangalore, earning 10k a year"

2) "Automation will give us the freedom to be truly creative!"

Yeah that is awesome, if you're a millionaire. People work because they need to earn money. People can't eat creativity or create food and money with their imagination and a box of colored pencils.

3) "Automation will allow people to move up on the job ladder"

Yeah, because horses were able to become Ford or GM CEOs after cars became commonplace. Your average mcdonald's burger flipper or starbucks barista won't get a juicy new job after his job is gone with his current skills.

4) "Only dumb/low skilled people will lose their jobs"

Tell that to translators... and in the future accountants (turbotax), transactional lawyers (legal zoom) and and even website developers (have you seen what wix can do?!)
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Alucard188 posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

I feel like there will be a strong push towards UBI in the coming ten years or so. I don't think we're ready for it though.

That sounds too much like socialism and relying on the government. You'll never get average, blue collar Americans agreeing to that.

lol canadians
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foreveraIone posted...

Alucard188 posted...

That sounds too much like socialism and relying on the government. You'll never get average, blue collar Americans agreeing to that.

Yes you will. Those average, blue collar Americans will probably be the first to be displaced.

Govt: Hey families, we are going to raise your taxes so you can bankroll other people poorer than you

Middle Class Family: um

1%er: Oh boy, more caviar money

Landlord: Hmm, everyone gets 10k extra now, better raise rents across the board

Inflation: What's up fam
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

*pats you on the head*

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I'm a Software Engineer and I'm legitimately worried my job will be automated before I retire in ~20 years
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Alucard188 posted...

green butter posted...

but really the US is shifting more and more towards skilled/specialized labor being the dominant force here, which is common sense as more and more americans are able to secure educations and technology is advancing at a very quick rate.

Yeah, at the cost of having $30,000 in student loan debt before you're even 23. Welcome to adulthood.

College is free in New York now
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

I'm a Software Engineer and I'm legitimately worried my job will be automated before I retire in ~20 years

Hey, G_A answer the question. If google perfected translation technology, or made it so the language barrier was almost a non-issue, then wouldn't your job be outsourced?

I'm talking about some Ukrainian dude who maybe only 85 percent as good as you are, but 1/6th the price.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

expect to see a huge push for UBI.

LOL no. Not within the next 20 years, we're nowhere near there yet. Until unemployment reaches +15% there is zero chance this is happening.

We haven't even gotten UHC ffs, or public college. UBI isn't even a popular idea with most liberals or Democrats. Let alone ready for the party platform.
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ROD posted...

foreveraIone posted...

oh man, i made a topic about this on 261 about automation.

nobody is answering certain questions:

1. What new jobs have been created by automation in the past few decades?
I found some articles and all I found were joke jobs like SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/29/10-jobs-that-werent-around-in-1989.html
(its a sliding site)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/06/10-jobs-that-didn-t-exist-10-years-ago/

2. If google translate becomes perfect, what's stopping someone from sending engineering and programming jobs over to Ukraine to some dude for 5k a year?

We're going to get fucked massively. Any moderately smart person knows it, but very strong interests out there (e.g. megacorporations, lobbying groups, governments) don't want us to see it, because if people see it they will resist it.

They give people stupid excuses that are easily debunked:

1) "Automation will create new jobs!"

This is a lie. Well, not strictly a lie, but the jobs it creates are not for the same people it displaces, nor is it the same number of jobs.

The best example is, "100,000 truck drivers, aged over 40, with a high school diploma were displaced by self driving trucks, they used to earn 40k a year" and "the jobs generated by truck driver automation is 20 software developer jobs for IT guys with computer science degrees and 4 industry certifications, based in Bangalore, earning 10k a year"

2) "Automation will give us the freedom to be truly creative!"

Yeah that is awesome, if you're a millionaire. People work because they need to earn money. People can't eat creativity or create food and money with their imagination and a box of colored pencils.

3) "Automation will allow people to move up on the job ladder"

Yeah, because horses were able to become Ford or GM CEOs after cars became commonplace. Your average mcdonald's burger flipper or starbucks barista won't get a juicy new job after his job is gone with his current skills.

4) "Only dumb/low skilled people will lose their jobs"

Tell that to translators... and in the future accountants (turbotax), transactional lawyers (legal zoom) and and even website developers (have you seen what wix can do?!)

Also, the jobs that will be the first to be automated will be all the low-skilled ones. Imagine all those angry unemployed construction guys, truck-drivers, retail, fast food, uber drivers and shit?

ITS GONNA BE CRAY. They aren't going to get new work.
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foreveraIone posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

I'm a Software Engineer and I'm legitimately worried my job will be automated before I retire in ~20 years

Hey, G_A answer the question. If google perfected translation technology, or made it so the language barrier was almost a non-issue, then wouldn't your job be outsourced?

I'm talking about some Ukrainian dude who maybe only 85 percent as good as you are, but 1/6th the price.

oh, sorry, i didn't realize you were directing that at me.

the software world tried outsourcing to humans in other countries at the beginning of the 'globalization' boom in the late 90s/early 00s. it was really popular at first but companies realized it was inefficient for a variety of reasons.
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GregShmedley posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

foreveraIone posted...

Alucard188 posted...

That sounds too much like socialism and relying on the government. You'll never get average, blue collar Americans agreeing to that.

Yes you will. Those average, blue collar Americans will probably be the first to be displaced.

they will definitely be the first ones displaced

Are there robots that can successfully build houses out of brick/wood, install glass, run conduit, plumbing pipe, electrical, and basically all construction aspects of blue collar occupations in both timely and cost effective measures with little error?

not yet but that's a matter of "when" they will be here, not "if".
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ROD posted...

foreveraIone posted...

oh man, i made a topic about this on 261 about automation.

nobody is answering certain questions:

1. What new jobs have been created by automation in the past few decades?
I found some articles and all I found were joke jobs like SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/29/10-jobs-that-werent-around-in-1989.html
(its a sliding site)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/06/10-jobs-that-didn-t-exist-10-years-ago/

2. If google translate becomes perfect, what's stopping someone from sending engineering and programming jobs over to Ukraine to some dude for 5k a year?

We're going to get fucked massively. Any moderately smart person knows it, but very strong interests out there (e.g. megacorporations, lobbying groups, governments) don't want us to see it, because if people see it they will resist it.

They give people stupid excuses that are easily debunked:

1) "Automation will create new jobs!"

This is a lie. Well, not strictly a lie, but the jobs it creates are not for the same people it displaces, nor is it the same number of jobs.

The best example is, "100,000 truck drivers, aged over 40, with a high school diploma were displaced by self driving trucks, they used to earn 40k a year" and "the jobs generated by truck driver automation is 20 software developer jobs for IT guys with computer science degrees and 4 industry certifications, based in Bangalore, earning 10k a year"

2) "Automation will give us the freedom to be truly creative!"

Yeah that is awesome, if you're a millionaire. People work because they need to earn money. People can't eat creativity or create food and money with their imagination and a box of colored pencils.

3) "Automation will allow people to move up on the job ladder"

Yeah, because horses were able to become Ford or GM CEOs after cars became commonplace. Your average mcdonald's burger flipper or starbucks barista won't get a juicy new job after his job is gone with his current skills.

4) "Only dumb/low skilled people will lose their jobs"

Tell that to translators... and in the future accountants (turbotax), transactional lawyers (legal zoom) and and even website developers (have you seen what wix can do?!)

Theres too much logic and hard truth here for most people, it will only be when enough people can't feed their family or themselves that they will try to act, and by that time it will be too late. This generation is not one that revolts, rebelling is seen as a bad thing now.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

green butter posted...

foreveraIone posted...

Alucard188 posted...

That sounds too much like socialism and relying on the government. You'll never get average, blue collar Americans agreeing to that.

Yes you will. Those average, blue collar Americans will probably be the first to be displaced.

Govt: Hey families, we are going to raise your taxes so you can bankroll other people

Family: um

Landlord: Hmm, everyone gets 10k extra now, better raise rents across the board

Inflation: What's up fam

Like I said, there will most likely be a push for it, but we're not ready. At all. If we'll ever be. It's one thing I hate about this Trump presidency, it's making Republicans look like shit. If this keeps picking up and there's a democrat in the White House in 2020 and a flipped Congress, expect to see a huge push for UBI.

there is no possible way imo

democrats and republicans are basically the same thing anyway when you really think about it, and to the american public who is already used to paying very high taxes and getting nothing in return, the idea that you will pay MORE taxes and this will help everyone somehow is not very lucrative. most people truly care about only two things: how much money they have in their pockets & the security of their families. altruism for people living in inner cities they've never visited is a game for the very rich or people with very little on their minds
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ROD posted...

"the jobs generated by truck driver automation is 20 software developer jobs for IT guys with computer science degrees and 4 industry certifications, based in Bangalore, earning 10k a year"

assuming you want your trucks to be constantly wrecking or having shit stolen off them, sure.

You get what you pay for. If you've got a business around self driving trucks, you're getting your software from Google or Tesla most likely.
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People who fear monger about automation are utterly clueless. It's really baffling that people fear monger without getting educated first.

1) Automation has created far more jobs than it has made mundane.

2) Automation allows us to do more with much less effort.

3) The cost of producing goods and services goes down when you automate.

All of these combined will create a society where our standard of living costs less man hours and dollars. Instead of having to work 40 hours a week, you can work 20 hours of week and have the same type of spending power the more we ramp up automation.

Yes, some jobs will be lost - but it'll be the mundane and inhumane unskilled labor that shouldn't even exist anymore. It will be replaced by high-paying skilled work and eventually the capacity to provide everyone with a universal basic income.

There's absolutely nothing to worry about or fear monger about. Fear mongering about automation is the same as what the Luddites did hundreds of years ago when they started destroying machines because they were afraid of getting put out of work.
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cjsdowg posted...

It is funny how fast food worker who want to get paid a living wage are just entitled, but coal minders who want more aren't.

Average coal miner makes $60,000 a year. That's a little less than DOUBLE the $15 an hour people want for minimum wage...
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Clad posted...

fair, next

this is what happens when you feel entitled to more than you produce

entitled for wanting to have 1 job instead of 2-3?


ill never understand people who claim you shouldnt earn enough to make a living
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Clad posted...

3) The cost of producing goods and services goes down when you automate

The problem is that, typically, prices DON'T go down to match this...
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The Deadpool posted...

Clad posted...

3) The cost of producing goods and services goes down when you automate

The problem is that, typically, prices DON'T go down to match this...

That's wrong.
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The Deadpool posted...

Clad posted...

3) The cost of producing goods and services goes down when you automate

The problem is that, typically, prices DON'T go down to match this...

correct. profits just go up.
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Clad posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Clad posted...

3) The cost of producing goods and services goes down when you automate

The problem is that, typically, prices DON'T go down to match this...

That's wrong.

It's easy to check. Past few years automation has gone up and prices have gone up.

It's super easy math.
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You know what field is never going to be outsourced? Crime. Having a decent planning skills and flexible morality is the best bet once we start heading down the path that South America helped pave.
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The historical trend of automating things has shown that goods and services become cheaper. Looking at a small slice of years rather than the broader trend is stupid.

Automation can have only a lowering effect on prices over the long term, because as people work less you'll need to charge less in order to have customers. Or you'll need to pay more per hour of work so that less hours of work equals more fiat currency.

In other words, over the long term the costs of things will go down the more they are automated. Companies that try to automate only for the purpose of retaining profit will get crushed by the companies that automate so that they can charge a lower price and get more market share.

Basic economics.
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Clad posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Clad posted...

3) The cost of producing goods and services goes down when you automate

The problem is that, typically, prices DON'T go down to match this...

That's wrong.

<insert regantrickledown.jpg>

http://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/trickle-down.jpg
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All you need to do to see that I'm right is compare the standard and costs of living with those from even only 100 years ago.
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corporation based feudalism is coming very soon
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