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REMercsChamp 04/18/17 1:46:18 PM #1:	People should have the option to officially declare themselves as not wanting to work. And because this is America, and we respect each other and their choices, we should have a system set up where they get paid a decent livable wage for doing so. And they should also be provided with a complimentary netflix subscription and a decent library of video games. --- https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/35939727.jpg <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:877435280] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>People should have the option to officially declare themselves as not wanting to work. And because this is America, and we respect each other and their choices, we should have a system set up where they get paid a decent livable wage for doing so. And they should also be provided with a complimentary netflix subscription and a decent library of video games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/18/17 1:48:45 PM #3:	Show us on the doll where UBI touched you. Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:877435445] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>Show us on the doll where UBI touched you. Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 04/18/17 1:54:37 PM #4:	hockeybub89 posted... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. Hey man, don't be modest! You deserve free stuff. You WERE born after all, weren't you? --- https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/35939727.jpg <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:877435775] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> Hey man, don't be modest! You deserve free stuff. You WERE born after all, weren't you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/18/17 1:57:23 PM #5:	hockeybub89 posted... Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877435952] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ampelas 04/18/17 1:57:57 PM #6:	hockeybub89 posted... Show us on the doll where UBI touched you. Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. TC probably makes less than 30k a year, be nice to him <cite>Ampelas posted [p:877435988] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Show us on the doll where UBI touched you. Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> TC probably makes less than 30k a year, be nice to him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 04/18/17 2:03:42 PM #8:	hockeybub89 posted... Show us on the doll where UBI touched you. Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. It's not the Netflix is high living, but rather the opposite. The innovation and competition that results from capitalism and individual liberty is so great that we can have awesome the things like Netflix for dirt cheap. And people like you and Bernie Sanders want to destroy that. --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:877436330] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Show us on the doll where UBI touched you. Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> It's not the Netflix is high living, but rather the opposite. The innovation and competition that results from capitalism and individual liberty is so great that we can have awesome the things like Netflix for dirt cheap. And people like you and Bernie Sanders want to destroy that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/18/17 2:04:10 PM #9:	100% agreed. Income as a concept needs to be divorced from work. All people should have a basic income regardless of whether or not they choose to work. And the irony is that given a basic income, most people would be able to pursue better jobs/more jobs/entrepreneurial ventures. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877436351] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>100% agreed. Income as a concept needs to be divorced from work. All people should have a basic income regardless of whether or not they choose to work. And the irony is that given a basic income, most people would be able to pursue better jobs/more jobs/entrepreneurial ventures.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/18/17 2:06:57 PM #10:	Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877436515] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 04/18/17 2:07:36 PM #11:	No, the whole point of jobs is to get income along with providing a service. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:877436560] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>No, the whole point of jobs is to get income along with providing a service.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 04/18/17 2:08:16 PM #12:	Offworlder1 posted... No, the whole point of jobs is to get income along with providing a service. And when the robots take all the jobs? Just let people fucking STARVE TO DEATH, right? --- https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/35939727.jpg <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:877436614] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>No, the whole point of jobs is to get income along with providing a service.</quote> And when the robots take all the jobs? Just let people fucking STARVE TO DEATH, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 04/18/17 2:08:52 PM #13:	This is a deeply personal issue for you, isn't it? --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:877436657] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>This is a deeply personal issue for you, isn't it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/18/17 2:09:06 PM #14:	Offworlder1 posted... No, the whole point of jobs is to get income along with providing a service. some jobs arent about the income as much as they are about providing a service, though. we need to enable people who want those jobs to be able to afford the paycut needed to take those jobs. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877436669] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>No, the whole point of jobs is to get income along with providing a service.</quote> some jobs arent about the income as much as they are about providing a service, though. we need to enable people who want those jobs to be able to afford the paycut needed to take those jobs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kalse 04/18/17 2:10:50 PM #15:	meingott posted... Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few. Isn't this Proudclad? When did you go from conservative to liberal? Though, considering your massive flip flop years back from bible humper to militant atheist, giant ideological changes aren't completely out of your realm of possibility <cite>Kalse posted [p:877436774] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few.</quote> Isn't this Proudclad? When did you go from conservative to liberal? Though, considering your massive flip flop years back from bible humper to militant atheist, giant ideological changes aren't completely out of your realm of possibility</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/18/17 2:12:24 PM #16:	Kalse posted... meingott posted... Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few. Isn't this Proudclad? When did you go from conservative to liberal? Though, considering your massive flip flop years back from bible humper to militant atheist, giant ideological changes aren't completely out of your realm of possibility the problem is that shit-alts like you are incapable of nuance --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877436871] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kalse posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few.</quote> Isn't this Proudclad? When did you go from conservative to liberal? Though, considering your massive flip flop years back from bible humper to militant atheist, giant ideological changes aren't completely out of your realm of possibility</quote> the problem is that shit-alts like you are incapable of nuance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BallerXRosetta- 04/18/17 2:12:39 PM #17:	Sure --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/arigreenwood98 http://i.imgtc.com/CeV2MSV.jpg <cite>BallerXRosetta- posted [p:877436884] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>Sure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green butter 04/18/17 2:14:35 PM #18:	I had this idea a while ago. It's called NEETopia, and it's basically the equivalent of a voluntary private prison, where NEETs check themselves in to life a life of neckbeard luxury. The federal government gives NEETopia a stipend per NEET, because the cost of housing them in this prison is lesser than the economic strain that they will cause on society at large as they continue to leech off of their parents. Inside, the NEETs are able to live simple lives, eating instant Ramen and pop tarts for their meals, watching anime, playing PC games, and reading fantasy novels. They are tasked with simple jobs, like preparing Ramen for their cell block or answering Google surveys, allowing NEETopia to be relatively self-sustaining. --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>green butter posted [p:877436999] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>I had this idea a while ago. It's called NEETopia, and it's basically the equivalent of a voluntary private prison, where NEETs check themselves in to life a life of neckbeard luxury. The federal government gives NEETopia a stipend per NEET, because the cost of housing them in this prison is lesser than the economic strain that they will cause on society at large as they continue to leech off of their parents. Inside, the NEETs are able to live simple lives, eating instant Ramen and pop tarts for their meals, watching anime, playing PC games, and reading fantasy novels. They are tasked with simple jobs, like preparing Ramen for their cell block or answering Google surveys, allowing NEETopia to be relatively self-sustaining.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 04/18/17 2:21:50 PM #19:	green butter posted... I had this idea a while ago. It's called NEETopia, and it's basically the equivalent of a voluntary private prison, where NEETs check themselves in to life a life of neckbeard luxury. The federal government gives NEETopia a stipend per NEET, because the cost of housing them in this prison is lesser than the economic strain that they will cause on society at large as they continue to leech off of their parents. Inside, the NEETs are able to live simple lives, eating instant Ramen and pop tarts for their meals, watching anime, playing PC games, and reading fantasy novels. They are tasked with simple jobs, like preparing Ramen for their cell block or answering Google surveys, allowing NEETopia to be relatively self-sustaining. Interesting. Go on... --- https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/35939727.jpg <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:877437429] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>green butter posted...</cite> <quote>I had this idea a while ago. It's called NEETopia, and it's basically the equivalent of a voluntary private prison, where NEETs check themselves in to life a life of neckbeard luxury. The federal government gives NEETopia a stipend per NEET, because the cost of housing them in this prison is lesser than the economic strain that they will cause on society at large as they continue to leech off of their parents. Inside, the NEETs are able to live simple lives, eating instant Ramen and pop tarts for their meals, watching anime, playing PC games, and reading fantasy novels. They are tasked with simple jobs, like preparing Ramen for their cell block or answering Google surveys, allowing NEETopia to be relatively self-sustaining.</quote> Interesting. Go on...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/18/17 2:23:29 PM #20:	The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though. What I think is that we will be in a world with less jobs. This isn't your granddaddy's automation. This new wave of automation isn't about aiding or taking over specific lines of work, but entire swaths. There will be no need for unskilled labor or most kinds of manual labor. Even high skill jobs could at least see automation invade their territory a little. There will be new jobs. There will be growth in some fields, but they will not be numerous or accessible enough for everyone to up and move on to. UBI is a potential option for addressing that reality. I don't know where you are getting fear from me. I just don't think we should hold back advancement because humans need jobs or because you equate this with people driving cars instead of horses. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:877437529] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though.</quote> What I think is that we will be in a world with less jobs. This isn't your granddaddy's automation. This new wave of automation isn't about aiding or taking over specific lines of work, but entire swaths. There will be no need for unskilled labor or most kinds of manual labor. Even high skill jobs could at least see automation invade their territory a little. There will be new jobs. There will be growth in some fields, but they will not be numerous or accessible enough for everyone to up and move on to. UBI is a potential option for addressing that reality. I don't know where you are getting fear from me. I just don't think we should hold back advancement because humans need jobs or because you equate this with people driving cars instead of horses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kalse 04/18/17 2:25:01 PM #21:	meingott posted... Kalse posted... meingott posted... Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few. Isn't this Proudclad? When did you go from conservative to liberal? Though, considering your massive flip flop years back from bible humper to militant atheist, giant ideological changes aren't completely out of your realm of possibility the problem is that shit-alts like you are incapable of nuance Are you trying to say that UBI isn't an incredibly liberal position? Or that you didn't go from hardcore Christian to hardcore atheist? <cite>Kalse posted [p:877437618] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kalse posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few.</quote> Isn't this Proudclad? When did you go from conservative to liberal? Though, considering your massive flip flop years back from bible humper to militant atheist, giant ideological changes aren't completely out of your realm of possibility</quote> the problem is that shit-alts like you are incapable of nuance</quote> Are you trying to say that UBI isn't an incredibly liberal position? Or that you didn't go from hardcore Christian to hardcore atheist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green butter 04/18/17 2:26:49 PM #22:	hockeybub89 posted... The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though. What I think is that we will be in a world with less jobs. This isn't your granddaddy's automation. This new wave of automation isn't about aiding or taking over specific lines of work, but entire swaths. There will be no need for unskilled labor or most kinds of manual labor. Even high skill jobs could at least see automation invade their territory a little. There will be new jobs. There will be growth in some fields, but they will not be numerous or accessible enough for everyone to up and move on to. UBI is a potential option for addressing that reality. I don't know where you are getting fear from me. I just don't think we should hold back advancement because humans need jobs or because you equate this with people driving cars instead of horses. automation wouldnt be a problem if we provided our population with a quality education so they could get higher skilled jobs, but of course that is too LIBERAL --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>green butter posted [p:877437722] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though.</quote> What I think is that we will be in a world with less jobs. This isn't your granddaddy's automation. This new wave of automation isn't about aiding or taking over specific lines of work, but entire swaths. There will be no need for unskilled labor or most kinds of manual labor. Even high skill jobs could at least see automation invade their territory a little. There will be new jobs. There will be growth in some fields, but they will not be numerous or accessible enough for everyone to up and move on to. UBI is a potential option for addressing that reality. I don't know where you are getting fear from me. I just don't think we should hold back advancement because humans need jobs or because you equate this with people driving cars instead of horses.</quote> automation wouldnt be a problem if we provided our population with a quality education so they could get higher skilled jobs, but of course that is too LIBERAL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/18/17 2:26:58 PM #23:	Kalse posted... meingott posted... Kalse posted... meingott posted... Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few. Isn't this Proudclad? When did you go from conservative to liberal? Though, considering your massive flip flop years back from bible humper to militant atheist, giant ideological changes aren't completely out of your realm of possibility the problem is that shit-alts like you are incapable of nuance Are you trying to say that UBI isn't an incredibly liberal position? Or that you didn't go from hardcore Christian to hardcore atheist? UBI should be huge with conservatives. It's much more empowering than the welfare state. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:877437734] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kalse posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kalse posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>Just like the Alaskan Permanent Fund gives out an unconditional dividend to all residents of Alaska, we need to give an unconditional dividend to all residents of America. It's doable. Time for America's wealth to work for all rather than a few.</quote> Isn't this Proudclad? When did you go from conservative to liberal? Though, considering your massive flip flop years back from bible humper to militant atheist, giant ideological changes aren't completely out of your realm of possibility</quote> the problem is that shit-alts like you are incapable of nuance</quote> Are you trying to say that UBI isn't an incredibly liberal position? Or that you didn't go from hardcore Christian to hardcore atheist?</quote> UBI should be huge with conservatives. It's much more empowering than the welfare state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/18/17 2:30:21 PM #25:	green butter posted... hockeybub89 posted... The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though. What I think is that we will be in a world with less jobs. This isn't your granddaddy's automation. This new wave of automation isn't about aiding or taking over specific lines of work, but entire swaths. There will be no need for unskilled labor or most kinds of manual labor. Even high skill jobs could at least see automation invade their territory a little. There will be new jobs. There will be growth in some fields, but they will not be numerous or accessible enough for everyone to up and move on to. UBI is a potential option for addressing that reality. I don't know where you are getting fear from me. I just don't think we should hold back advancement because humans need jobs or because you equate this with people driving cars instead of horses. automation wouldnt be a problem if we provided our population with a quality education so they could get higher skilled jobs, but of course that is too LIBERAL That is great and now you will have highly educated people without jobs because they lost the lottery of available positions. That is assuming every person can grasp the material in the first place. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:877437956] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>green butter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though.</quote> What I think is that we will be in a world with less jobs. This isn't your granddaddy's automation. This new wave of automation isn't about aiding or taking over specific lines of work, but entire swaths. There will be no need for unskilled labor or most kinds of manual labor. Even high skill jobs could at least see automation invade their territory a little. There will be new jobs. There will be growth in some fields, but they will not be numerous or accessible enough for everyone to up and move on to. UBI is a potential option for addressing that reality. I don't know where you are getting fear from me. I just don't think we should hold back advancement because humans need jobs or because you equate this with people driving cars instead of horses.</quote> automation wouldnt be a problem if we provided our population with a quality education so they could get higher skilled jobs, but of course that is too LIBERAL</quote> That is great and now you will have highly educated people without jobs because they lost the lottery of available positions. That is assuming every person can grasp the material in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/18/17 2:30:48 PM #26:	Kalse posted... Are you trying to say that UBI isn't an incredibly liberal position? not really it receives most of its support from technocratic-minded libertarians --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877437978] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kalse posted...</cite> <quote>Are you trying to say that UBI isn't an incredibly liberal position?</quote> not really it receives most of its support from technocratic-minded libertarians</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 04/18/17 2:31:14 PM #27:	hockeybub89 posted... UBI should be huge with conservatives. It's much more empowering than the welfare state. But bootstraps! --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:877438000] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>UBI should be huge with conservatives. It's much more empowering than the welfare state.</quote> But bootstraps!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 04/18/17 2:32:13 PM #28:	I identify as not working yes I am at a job right now but you better respect me and pay me for not working --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:877438048] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>I identify as not working yes I am at a job right now but you better respect me and pay me for not working</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green butter 04/18/17 2:34:08 PM #29:	hockeybub89 posted... green butter posted... hockeybub89 posted... The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living. I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though. What I think is that we will be in a world with less jobs. This isn't your granddaddy's automation. This new wave of automation isn't about aiding or taking over specific lines of work, but entire swaths. There will be no need for unskilled labor or most kinds of manual labor. Even high skill jobs could at least see automation invade their territory a little. There will be new jobs. There will be growth in some fields, but they will not be numerous or accessible enough for everyone to up and move on to. UBI is a potential option for addressing that reality. I don't know where you are getting fear from me. I just don't think we should hold back advancement because humans need jobs or because you equate this with people driving cars instead of horses. automation wouldnt be a problem if we provided our population with a quality education so they could get higher skilled jobs, but of course that is too LIBERAL That is great and now you will have highly educated people without jobs because they lost the lottery of available positions. That is assuming every person can grasp the material in the first place. idk if being able to finish high school means you are "highly educated", just not a completely useless person in the workforce. we have such shitty education in this country and it goes from primary all the way up. when i saw higher skilled jobs, i dont mean everyone has to be a doctor, but i mean that they have some kind of specialized skill to bring to the workforce. it's the difference between being a carpenter and just a laborer at a job site or something like that. --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>green butter posted [p:877438155] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>green butter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Show us... Also, lol at Netflix constantly being used by people as an example of high living.</quote> I think you get so defensive in these topics but you actually agree with the comments in the OP. Maybe with a little "robots have taken the jobs!" rhetoric mixed in, though.</quote> What I think is that we will be in a world with less jobs. This isn't your granddaddy's automation. This new wave of automation isn't about aiding or taking over specific lines of work, but entire swaths. There will be no need for unskilled labor or most kinds of manual labor. Even high skill jobs could at least see automation invade their territory a little. There will be new jobs. There will be growth in some fields, but they will not be numerous or accessible enough for everyone to up and move on to. UBI is a potential option for addressing that reality. I don't know where you are getting fear from me. I just don't think we should hold back advancement because humans need jobs or because you equate this with people driving cars instead of horses.</quote> automation wouldnt be a problem if we provided our population with a quality education so they could get higher skilled jobs, but of course that is too LIBERAL</quote> That is great and now you will have highly educated people without jobs because they lost the lottery of available positions. That is assuming every person can grasp the material in the first place.</quote> idk if being able to finish high school means you are "highly educated", just not a completely useless person in the workforce. we have such shitty education in this country and it goes from primary all the way up. when i saw higher skilled jobs, i dont mean everyone has to be a doctor, but i mean that they have some kind of specialized skill to bring to the workforce. it's the difference between being a carpenter and just a laborer at a job site or something like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 04/18/17 2:39:33 PM #31:	MacadamianNut3 posted... Surprise steam calculator topic! https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198043880845/?cc=us https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198076596847/?cc=us I will never quite understand how people can just buy a bunch of games and then not play them. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:877438520] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>MacadamianNut3 posted...</cite> <quote>Surprise steam calculator topic! https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198043880845/?cc=us</quote> https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198076596847/?cc=us I will never quite understand how people can just buy a bunch of games and then not play them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 04/18/17 2:46:50 PM #32:	Cookie Bag posted... MacadamianNut3 posted... Surprise steam calculator topic! https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198043880845/?cc=us https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198024979822/?cc=us Damn... =3 --- XBL/Steam/R*/Uplay: Barinade88 \| Origin: Barinade \| BattleNet: Barinade#11210 Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:877438920] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cookie Bag posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MacadamianNut3 posted...</cite> <quote>Surprise steam calculator topic! https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198043880845/?cc=us</quote> https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198024979822/?cc=us Damn...</quote> =3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 04/18/17 2:50:40 PM #33:	UnholyMudcrab posted... I will never quite understand how people can just buy a bunch of games and then not play them. Humble Bundle There are only a few cases where I singled out games to buy and didn't play them. Final Fantasy games are annoyingly huge, I don't have HD space for Fall of the Tom Braider, and I'm too hooked on Dark Souls to play Berseria or Bayonetta rn --- XBL/Steam/R*/Uplay: Barinade88 \| Origin: Barinade \| BattleNet: Barinade#11210 Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:877439125] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote> I will never quite understand how people can just buy a bunch of games and then not play them.</quote> Humble Bundle There are only a few cases where I singled out games to buy and didn't play them. Final Fantasy games are annoyingly huge, I don't have HD space for Fall of the Tom Braider, and I'm too hooked on Dark Souls to play Berseria or Bayonetta rn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cookie Bag 04/18/17 3:00:01 PM #34:	UnholyMudcrab posted... MacadamianNut3 posted... Surprise steam calculator topic! https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198043880845/?cc=us https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198076596847/?cc=us I will never quite understand how people can just buy a bunch of games and then not play them. Scary, we have almost the same stats lol MacadamianNut3 posted... Humble Bundle And yeah pretty much this, most of the games i buy i play, but humble bundle shit i don't give away stays unplayed because i just forget about them MacadamianNut3 posted... I'm too hooked on Dark Soul 24/7 dark souls 3 goes beyond "too hooked" ya nerd :> --- http://i.imgur.com/vsi41Lp.jpg <cite>Cookie Bag posted [p:877439623] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MacadamianNut3 posted...</cite> <quote>Surprise steam calculator topic! https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198043880845/?cc=us</quote> https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198076596847/?cc=us I will never quite understand how people can just buy a bunch of games and then not play them.</quote> Scary, we have almost the same stats lol <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted...</cite> <quote>Humble Bundle</quote> And yeah pretty much this, most of the games i buy i play, but humble bundle shit i don't give away stays unplayed because i just forget about them <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted...</cite> <quote> I'm too hooked on Dark Soul</quote> 24/7 dark souls 3 goes beyond "too hooked" ya nerd :></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
krazychao5 04/18/17 3:02:26 PM #35:	https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198071785533/?cc=us My steam account, lol But seriously, UBI will be necessary soon. It will also be beneficial, because people will look for work that is beneficial to THEM and agrees with their values. More creative work will be accomplished, because creativity isn't created in high stress situations or when you're unhappy, which is created by normal, menial work. So we will have a society that will have more "free" time for them to use to do what they want to do. Will people sit around and do nothing? Sure, there are already millions that do that. But what about active and social people? They will look to create work that will create utility to people. Whether that is helping out their community, creating new programs, or becoming an entrepreneur. --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:877439760] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198071785533/?cc=us My steam account, lol But seriously, UBI will be necessary soon. It will also be beneficial, because people will look for work that is beneficial to THEM and agrees with their values. More creative work will be accomplished, because creativity isn't created in high stress situations or when you're unhappy, which is created by normal, menial work. So we will have a society that will have more "free" time for them to use to do what they want to do. Will people sit around and do nothing? Sure, there are already millions that do that. But what about active and social people? They will look to create work that will create utility to people. Whether that is helping out their community, creating new programs, or becoming an entrepreneur.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/18/17 3:05:02 PM #36:	rubs hands together Who defines work? A woman who cooks at a restaurant is considered to be working and is paid a wage for that. A woman who cooks every night for her family is not paid for the very same labor. Is she not working? --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877439918] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>rubs hands together Who defines work? A woman who cooks at a restaurant is considered to be working and is paid a wage for that. A woman who cooks every night for her family is not paid for the very same labor. Is she not working?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 04/18/17 3:10:49 PM #37:	Cookie Bag posted... 24/7 dark souls 3 goes beyond "too hooked" ya nerd :> Pls no Steam shaming this is my safe space thx --- XBL/Steam/R*/Uplay: Barinade88 \| Origin: Barinade \| BattleNet: Barinade#11210 Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:877440232] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cookie Bag posted...</cite> <quote> 24/7 dark souls 3 goes beyond "too hooked" ya nerd :></quote> Pls no Steam shaming this is my safe space thx</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/18/17 3:13:37 PM #38:	Antifar posted... rubs hands together Who defines work? A woman who cooks at a restaurant is considered to be working and is paid a wage for that. A woman who cooks every night for her family is not paid for the very same labor. Is she not working? A woman is a sex worker and gets paid to have sex with men. A woman who has sex every night with her loved one performs the same actions. Is she not working? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877440381] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>rubs hands together Who defines work? A woman who cooks at a restaurant is considered to be working and is paid a wage for that. A woman who cooks every night for her family is not paid for the very same labor. Is she not working?</quote> A woman is a sex worker and gets paid to have sex with men. A woman who has sex every night with her loved one performs the same actions. Is she not working?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 04/18/17 3:46:10 PM #39:	Antifar posted... A woman who cooks every night for her family is not paid for the very same labor. Is she not working? Let her take that up with her family who she's cooking for if she's expecting to be paid for it. --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:877442207] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>A woman who cooks every night for her family is not paid for the very same labor. Is she not working?</quote> Let her take that up with her family who she's cooking for if she's expecting to be paid for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Volkswagen_Bros 04/18/17 3:50:54 PM #40:	This is arguably one of the stupidest topics I've read this year. --- Wrestling beauty Candice Michelle is the epitome of smart, sexy, and powerful Currently Playing - Forza Motorsport 4 & PGR 4 on Xbox 360 <cite>Volkswagen_Bros posted [p:877442447] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>This is arguably one of the stupidest topics I've read this year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
krazychao5 04/18/17 4:28:39 PM #41:	I think that there will be more independent workers. We are no longer bound by tangible assets as what can produce income. Now you can create income by doing anything because knowledge and information are what drives profits and innovation. Since we as individuals are not limited in entering a for-profit business, there will be much more independent contractors as we move forward. --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:877444708] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote>I think that there will be more independent workers. We are no longer bound by tangible assets as what can produce income. Now you can create income by doing anything because knowledge and information are what drives profits and innovation. Since we as individuals are not limited in entering a for-profit business, there will be much more independent contractors as we move forward.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/18/17 4:32:48 PM #42:	krazychao5 posted... Since we as individuals are not limited in entering a for-profit business, there will be much more independent contractors as we move forward. This is bad news for workers --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877444981] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote>Since we as individuals are not limited in entering a for-profit business, there will be much more independent contractors as we move forward. </quote> This is bad news for workers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
krazychao5 04/18/17 4:37:14 PM #43:	Antifar posted... krazychao5 posted... Since we as individuals are not limited in entering a for-profit business, there will be much more independent contractors as we move forward. This is bad news for workers How so? This is great. If you have an idea and the desire and ability to go through with you, you can. --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:877445286] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote>Since we as individuals are not limited in entering a for-profit business, there will be much more independent contractors as we move forward. </quote> This is bad news for workers</quote> How so? This is great. If you have an idea and the desire and ability to go through with you, you can.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/18/17 4:38:42 PM #45:	krazychao5 posted... How so? This is great. If you have an idea and the desire and ability to go through with you, you can. Independent contractors and temp workers aren't entitled to the same benefits as regular employees: it's how Uber gets away with not paying minimum wage or overtime. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877445388] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote>How so? This is great. If you have an idea and the desire and ability to go through with you, you can. </quote> Independent contractors and temp workers aren't entitled to the same benefits as regular employees: it's how Uber gets away with not paying minimum wage or overtime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
krazychao5 04/18/17 5:00:43 PM #46:	Antifar posted... krazychao5 posted... How so? This is great. If you have an idea and the desire and ability to go through with you, you can. Independent contractors and temp workers aren't entitled to the same benefits as regular employees: it's how Uber gets away with not paying minimum wage or overtime. That's not what I am talking about though...they are still working for someone. You can work for yourself now. --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:877446872] in If people ... [t:75252180]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote>How so? This is great. If you have an idea and the desire and ability to go through with you, you can. </quote> Independent contractors and temp workers aren't entitled to the same benefits as regular employees: it's how Uber gets away with not paying minimum wage or overtime.</quote> That's not what I am talking about though...they are still working for someone. You can work for yourself now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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