Board 8 > C/D: Samus > Link

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Well, mostly because I find Link to be pretty boring nowadays, especially the Ocarina of Time incarnation.

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but why

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After THE BABY I HAVE TO FIND THE BABY I LOVE BABIES, I'm rather fond of a silent protagonist.

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Kirby > both

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WVl posted...
After THE BABY I HAVE TO FIND THE BABY I LOVE BABIES, I'm rather fond of a silent protagonist.

Ack, let's not even go there.

I prefer Samus to Link (Samus is my third favorite video game protagonist, after Leon Kennedy and Mario), and there are two Metroid games in my top 10 versus only one Zelda, so yeah.

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SHINE GET 64 posted...
Kirby > both

Mario > both
Leon Kennedy > all three
...I need to play through a major Kirby title some day I guess...

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onfirm

you're telling that to someone who has bachelors degree in medical laboratory science. It's obviously not my life either!


or is it

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link isn't a great character, but other m pretty much ruined samus forever.

I am going to say however that nintendo's repeated attempts starting with wind waker to give link more character are a BAD thing as they subvert his value as a silent protagonist. what they have now is some weird mutant halfling that can't function as an avatar but isn't a deep character or have any charisma either, stop trying to have your cake and eat it too, nintendo

I do main Samus in Smash brothers... but eh.

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Liquid Wind posted...
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link isn't a great character, but other m pretty much ruined samus forever.

Ack, not again!

Like I said, this is more because there are two Metroid games in my top 10 as opposed to only one Zelda (at least NOW), and because Samus is a more exciting character.

Why the heck are we citing ONE GAME as having ruined Samus? Although I guess it depends on whether or not you were a huge fan to begin with...

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Why the heck are we citing ONE GAME as having ruined Samus? Although I guess it depends on whether or not you were a huge fan to begin with...

because she was very ambiguous prior to that, when they finally chose to define her more, they went in a very unlikeable direction with her. even if they go back to minimalist metroid, that's there forever, unless they make it non-canon.

I also don't see the relation for best game = best character. I love super metroid and metroid prime but I never would have had samus as one of my top 10 characters even before other m. some games do thrive on the strength of their characters like metal gear solid, but not all great games have great characters

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Liquid Wind posted...
Why the heck are we citing ONE GAME as having ruined Samus? Although I guess it depends on whether or not you were a huge fan to begin with...

because she was very ambiguous prior to that, when they finally chose to define her more, they went in a very unlikeable direction with her. even if they go back to minimalist metroid, that's there forever, unless they make it non-canon.

I also don't see the relation for best game = best character. I love super metroid and metroid prime but I never would have had samus as one of my top 10 characters even before other m. some games do thrive on the strength of their characters like metal gear solid, but not all great games have great characters

Maybe this is going to anger you, but Samus's personality in Other M matched up surprisingly accurately with who I imagined beforehand. Though I agree that her portrayal could use some serious improvements.

To be fair though, I've only been a fan of the series for 3 years, and went into Other M with a Mario mindset. Also I had played through Super Metroid for the 2nd time just a few weeks beforehand, and especially ironic was that the highlight of the playthrough (in fact, highlight of the entire year for me) was me defeating Ridley in one try when he had given me lots of trouble the previous time. It was an epic battle where I won when I was on my last energy tank: obviously my Samus is going to get into a PTSD when she sees someone who she thought was dead for good, killed her parents, and came close to relieving her of her own life on the prior encounter, among other things such as prompting the main events of Super Metroid in the first place.

It's a matter of Samus being more exciting in Super Metroid and Prime than Link is anywhere aside from MAYBE A Link to the Past. And I changed my mind on the whole "Wind Waker is a 10/10 thing".

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Samus got a generic female personality in Other M... Generic female personality still beats no personality, so agree.

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Maybe this is going to anger you, but Samus's personality in Other M matched up surprisingly accurately with who I imagined beforehand. Though I agree that her portrayal could use some serious improvements.

which metroid games had you played beforehand? regardless of your answer to this however, fusion is the only other metroid where she has much dialogue, she wasn't a silent protagonist before but...there was a lot of room for interpretation. particularly if you've followed the series for 15 or 20 years as many people have, you're much more malleable 3 years in.

obviously my Samus is going to get into a PTSD when she sees someone who she thought was dead for good, killed her parents, and came close to relieving her of her own life on the prior encounter, among other things such as prompting the main events of Super Metroid in the first place.

ridley has come back from the dead before and she never freaked out that way. and yes there is a degree of realism for a woman to freak out when a big ugly monster that killed her parents appears, but she was never a wholly realistic character prior to this and, fantasy isn't supposed to be bound by the shackles of reality to begin with. some characters are likeable because they are larger than life heroes that likely couldn't exist in the real world, samus fit into this mold pretty nicely in previous incarnations, a realistic woman isn't infiltrating a hostile planet of aliens and eradicating all of them alone. even if you agree with the characterization, it's still goes against the series' minimalistic tradition which has never put an emphasis on samus' relationships before, with the exception of fusion which also had mixed reception.

I'm going to side with gamefaqs on this one
so D

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Kirby > both

what he said

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Liquid Wind posted...
Maybe this is going to anger you, but Samus's personality in Other M matched up surprisingly accurately with who I imagined beforehand. Though I agree that her portrayal could use some serious improvements.

which metroid games had you played beforehand? regardless of your answer to this however, fusion is the only other metroid where she has much dialogue, she wasn't a silent protagonist before but...there was a lot of room for interpretation. particularly if you've followed the series for 15 or 20 years as many people have, you're much more malleable 3 years in.

obviously my Samus is going to get into a PTSD when she sees someone who she thought was dead for good, killed her parents, and came close to relieving her of her own life on the prior encounter, among other things such as prompting the main events of Super Metroid in the first place.

ridley has come back from the dead before and she never freaked out that way. and yes there is a degree of realism for a woman to freak out when a big ugly monster that killed her parents appears, but she was never a wholly realistic character prior to this and, fantasy isn't supposed to be bound by the shackles of reality to begin with. some characters are likeable because they are larger than life heroes that likely couldn't exist in the real world, samus fit into this mold pretty nicely in previous incarnations, a realistic woman isn't infiltrating a hostile planet of aliens and eradicating all of them alone. even if you agree with the characterization, it's still goes against the series' minimalistic tradition which has never put an emphasis on samus' relationships before, with the exception of fusion which also had mixed reception.

Ridley was supposed to be dead after Super Metroid, and not in the same way as in prior titles where the space pirates resurrect him from his carcass: this could not be done as Ridley's carcass was left on Planet Zebes when it exploded (heck, this is even mentioned in Other M!). In fact, Super Metroid does mark Ridley's canonical death, and the later incarnations of Ridley are merely clones.

Also, Ridley constantly grows stronger and more bloodthirsty throughout the series: in Metroid Prime 3, Rundas saves Samus's life during their first encounter (didn't see much flak towards that...), and Samus needs phazon to defeat Ridley again later. The real reason why Samus goes into a PTSD is precisely the fact that most people are citing why it shouldn't happen: because Samus has fought Ridley six times before. To the poor woman, that's an excessively high number, and to see him rise up from the dead again makes it look like her parents' killer is effectively invincible. Sounds like good enough reason for PTSD to me. This before the fact that Ridley stealing the hatchling prompted the events of Super Metroid, which Samus constantly frets over as "all her fault" because of her stupid decision to save the hatchling. Coincidentally enough, this also explains Samus's seemingly excessive subservience: she can't trust herself because she generally follows orders (Metroid Prime 3 being the biggest example), and the one time she disobeys them, she turns out to have made a stupid decision, so she wants to go back to her roots. Yeah, it would've been nice for the game to explain that a bit better, but still.

What's ironic is that I've gotten basically everything I originally wanted from Other M over the last few months. A plot to die for and "realistic" characters? Hello, Final Fantasy VI. A plot full of mystery and intrigue? Hello, Chrono Trigger. Monster movie aesthetic? Hello, Resident Evil 4.

I will admit though, that I just finished Separate Ways, and Ada Wong does make Samus look rather weak-willed. Yeah.

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Oh, and to answer one question: I played through Metroid Fusion, Metroid Prime, and Super Metroid in the months leading up to Other M's release (along with Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario World, and Super Mario 64 all sandwiched in between).

It was especially hilarious to be playing Super Mario 64 and say "well, this reminds me a lot of Ocarina of Time, but I'm playing Other M next", and then Other M reminded me of Ocarina of Time as well. Then I play Ocarina later on and whoopeedoo, most overrated game ever (mostly because of all the rose-tinted glasses wearers who say that Wind Waker and Twilight Princess suck and praise Ocarina to no end).

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