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Trumble
05/05/24 3:38:50 PM
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I mentioned this in the other topic about the underage strictening, but it seemed to be overshadowed.

A mod confirmed it on Discord the other day. If you're using an alt to post while your main is in purgatory or worse, the alt will be suspended too. And yes, this also means banned is banned, you aren't allowed to come back on a new account anymore.

They confirmed that warned does not get treated the same way; that alts are still fine to use as long as your main isn't purg'd or worse; and that using an alt to access CE if your main has lost access is fine subject to the previous note.

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Cheater87
05/05/24 3:39:33 PM
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Oh my.

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StealThisSheen
05/05/24 3:39:54 PM
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Good.

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S_A_S
05/05/24 3:40:09 PM
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Wtf? This is horrible.
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Trumble
05/05/24 3:41:11 PM
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S_A_S posted...
Wtf? This is horrible.
I would've agreed back when the site banned people on a hair trigger, but these days bans are far harder to get for the most part. Even taking the questionable moderation practices at times into account, you're far more likely to just get warned or purg'd. Given that, it's not so much of a problem.

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Miquella
05/05/24 3:42:29 PM
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Fair.

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ssb_yunglink2
05/05/24 3:42:45 PM
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I mean i feel like thatll just make people hide who they are alts of instead of being blatant with it, no?

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ClayGuida
05/05/24 3:43:18 PM
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Thankfully this site will be dead within a year so I'll be forced to move on with my life.

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Trumble
05/05/24 3:44:49 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I mean i feel like thatll just make people hide who they are alts of instead of being blatant with it, no?
Let's be fair, the users who tend to be a problem aren't very good at hiding who they are.

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Yazarogi
05/05/24 3:48:13 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Thankfully this site will be dead within a year so I'll be forced to move on with my life.

You can go now.

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ssb_yunglink2
05/05/24 3:48:32 PM
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Trumble posted...
Let's be fair, the users who tend to be a problem aren't very good at hiding who they are.
yeah thats true

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Patty_Fleur
05/05/24 3:49:09 PM
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How do they know if someone is using an alt?
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Villain_S_Fiend
05/05/24 3:50:11 PM
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Seems fair to me

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ClayGuida
05/05/24 3:50:25 PM
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Yazarogi posted...
You can go now.
I can, but won't until it's dead.

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Gobstoppers12
05/05/24 3:51:04 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
I can, but won't until it's dead.
Why not? You seem eager to leave. It's not like anybody here is begging you to stay.

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Solar_Crimson
05/05/24 3:54:37 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Thankfully this site will be dead within a year so I'll be forced to move on with my life.
What's stopping you from doing that now?

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ooger
05/05/24 3:55:42 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Good.


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texanfan27
05/05/24 3:57:14 PM
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I have no alt, and no plan to get banned, so this doesnt hurt me.

what do you mean the underage user thing got stricter? They trying prevent that more?

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Scardude
05/05/24 3:57:33 PM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
How do they know if someone is using an alt?
Probably going to look at ip addresses that can determine location.. So if you aren't using VPN.

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Kimberly
05/05/24 3:57:44 PM
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This was mentioned in the announcement topic, but it was thin on the details.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I mean i feel like thatll just make people hide who they are alts of instead of being blatant with it, no?

In my personal opinion, not as a mod etc, the worst actors already do that.

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HighSeraph
05/05/24 3:58:04 PM
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This would only affect people with a static IP

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Irony
05/05/24 3:58:14 PM
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This is pretty easy to evade

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DDP886
05/05/24 4:00:31 PM
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just like evading bans on reddit

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JuanCarlos1
05/05/24 4:01:42 PM
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No more respawns after misbehaving, huh.

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TimeForAction
05/05/24 4:02:27 PM
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if they did this years ago maybe the other changes wouldnt have happened
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Umbreon
05/05/24 4:04:38 PM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
How do they know if someone is using an alt?


Trumble posted...
Let's be fair, the users who tend to be a problem aren't very good at hiding who they are.



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Euripides
05/05/24 4:04:39 PM
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Is this a new rule going forward, or are they going to nuke Duncan and Sunhawk's current alts?

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HighSeraph
05/05/24 4:05:21 PM
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Do bans only last 30 days still?

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rexcrk
05/05/24 4:06:20 PM
#30:


Oh no.

Anyway.

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Trumble
05/05/24 4:06:53 PM
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Euripides posted...
Is this a new rule going forward, or are they going to nuke Duncan and Sunhawk's current alts?
I'd presume it doesn't apply retroactively (outside of a few notorious users like Tails). Otherwise they'd have to ban like half of CE.

HighSeraph posted...
Do bans only last 30 days still?
Purgatories stay on your mod history for a year nowdays, so I'd assume (if not outright permanent) a ban counts against you for at least that long.

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Cemith
05/05/24 4:07:12 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
yeah thats true

The chudreddit clique is forever gone at least

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AgentCoulson
05/05/24 4:09:15 PM
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Never understood how this wasn't the case already. The one time I tried to get around purgatory by using an alt, it got struck down immediately but others would come back no problem.

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KookyCouture
05/05/24 4:09:54 PM
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Fair, next tbh

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kingdrake2
05/05/24 4:10:59 PM
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Euripides posted...
are they going to nuke Duncan and Sunhawk's current alts?


would be hilarious if they get blasted. but they'll be walking on egg shells now.

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HighSeraph
05/05/24 4:11:44 PM
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AgentCoulson posted...
Never understood how this wasn't the case already. The one time I tried to get around purgatory by using an alt, it got struck down immediately but others would come back no problem.
Yeah but like I said I don't know how they intend to enforce it. When I was banned I got repeatedly put on Read-Only until 30 days was up but I have a static IP, anyone with a dynamic one can come back as soon as they want.

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Baphometa
05/05/24 4:13:19 PM
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Euripides posted...
Is this a new rule going forward, or are they going to nuke Duncan and Sunhawk's current alts?
It's not retroactive.

It was briefly mentioned in the announcement, but not really advertised. Largely seems pretty good, though. Some troll gets suspended, hops on an alt to troll again, just gets suspended again.
Not sure how I feel about "ban evasion." But, the point is basically that a ban is saying, "We really don't want you here."

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pretzelcoatl
05/05/24 4:13:20 PM
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How was this not the default? Ban evasion is bannable on basically every website. It's the way it *should* be.
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DDP886
05/05/24 4:14:29 PM
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pretzelcoatl posted...
How was this not the default? Ban evasion is bannable on basically every website. It's the way it *should* be.
**if you get caught**

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Umbreon
05/05/24 4:15:56 PM
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Anyone that has to come back repeatedly is so addicted to attention and infamy that they're literally incapable of not telling on themselves. They're like The Riddler, only much less intelligent.

Plus no more burners on CE.

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ooger
05/05/24 4:16:09 PM
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HighSeraph posted...
Yeah but like I said I don't know how they intend to enforce it. When I was banned I got repeatedly put on Read-Only until 30 days was up but I have a static IP, anyone with a dynamic one can come back as soon as they want.

Require 2FA to post.

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Prestoff
05/05/24 4:16:23 PM
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Good

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HighSeraph
05/05/24 4:16:37 PM
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Umbreon posted...
Plus no more burners on CE.
That's the way it is now anyway

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Axiom
05/05/24 4:17:03 PM
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They're doing trolls a favor. Now they can find something better to do than make alt after alt to farm karma get here only to be banned at around 60 karma
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Trumble
05/05/24 4:17:53 PM
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ooger posted...
Require 2FA to post.
2FA would not help with this. If you meant something like SMS verification, that might, but that's not something Fandom are gonna waste money on.

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ooger
05/05/24 4:18:34 PM
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SMS verification isn't secure and shouldn't be used.

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Trumble
05/05/24 4:19:00 PM
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ooger posted...
SMS verification isn't secure and shouldn't be used.
How can you know this but not know that 2FA won't do shit to keep trolls out?

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ooger
05/05/24 4:20:10 PM
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It'll cost them money to buy new yubi keys just to shitpost.

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LonelyStoner
05/05/24 4:20:42 PM
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Just close the board at this point. Dont give Fandom the satisfaction of saying We tried.

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Uta
05/05/24 4:23:47 PM
#50:


Euripides posted...
Is this a new rule going forward, or are they going to nuke Duncan and Sunhawk's current alts?
It's not retroactive. Anyone currently able to post, even if they have past bans can continue to do so as long as they follow the rules.

By promoting consistency in moderation and addressing specific issues such as hornyposting, ban/purg evasion, and trolling we aim to create a more welcoming and inclusive space for all users.
But yeah this was technically announced with the other changes. Though for obvious reasons it went under the radar and very few people actually knew this was a new change. The worst people know how to get around this system, but those are also the kind of people who have gimmicks obvious enough to spot them or can't help but out themselves. They're doing it for the attention in the first place, so it's not fun for them if nobody knows who they are.

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