Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 8 - Remedial MyLo Calculus

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Town
Blade, Ben, Chang, FD, Kirby

Townish
Sbell: Started that whole discussion about 'leaving Knightz alone since he was already dead', which does not read as scum-town

Ctes: Wallz accused him of being scummoned. Seems odd to say about a scum mate, and Wallz really wanted Ctes to show up too.
That started a whole argument which does not feel like scum-scum to me. However Ctes loses some points due to unvoting Wallz very quickly after voting him.

MI: Disliked Wallz post as well, tho he was late to the party.
MI also paired Wallz' votes with FD and promised to reread FD, but then later promised to reread Wallz again to say he likes him more than he thougt.
He also thought Wallz was a diversion from scum, tho he became the next diversion ironically. Thats the best thing going for him really.

Ulti: I cant really see a scumpartner make the 'why didnt Wallz pursue me right away' attack. That said the two seemed awfully chummy later on despite that and Ulti voted MI at the end of the day as well.

Taco/Mzero: Stayed hands off from Wall, but his taunter claim felt genuine. Mzero needs to step up however.

Already Inside the PoE:

IGCD: I really dont remember what he has going for him outside of maybe some things Knightz said.

Corrik: Has contributed little besides tunneling Blade.

Red: Has also contributed little

Peaf: The big one to me. Topic1 He only commented on Wallz to defend him from Ulti, had no comments about Ben and Blade's attacks. He also likes Wallz more than other lynch leaders halfway during day1
Peaf did not want to lynch Wallz (Or FD) but to his credit he did want to lynch Knightz. However, he put Kirby and Ben high up on his target list as well.
Later that day he defended Wall more, but Wall did not seem to even notice (unlike with Lopens defense of Wall). And he was one of the votes on MI. That said he is at least more active and has given some good insights sometimes. But I cannot say he's done enough.

Nice pagesnipe

UltimaterializerX posted...

4. Corrik
7. FD
8. IGCD
10. MI
11. Peaf
12. Red
14. Mzero (Replaced Taco)

This is the widest PoE I can possibly make, and even then three of these players look super town.

4. Corrik
7. FD
8. IGCD
14. Mzero (Replaced Taco)

Unless I'm being tricked or a stupid role is out there, I think this is the list.

Quick question why is Red off the bottom list I've got nothing on the guy

Kirby321 posted...

Oh, I see. I misunderstood. Makes sense.

Corrik is dying today, so unfortunately, you won't get your sweet vengeance. Any ideas on who you'd want to shoot instead?

Honestly right now if forced to shoot I'd probably shoot MI, they have been very underwhelming and I know it's been probably at least a year since I've seen MI play but I hold their abilities to a much high standard than what I have seen so far.

But in all fairness I am not going to just shoot willy nilly and I am going to take over a day just threatening everyone until I am satisfied with the information obtained and shoot scum.

Meow1000 posted...

Would say it kinda doesn't feel like a day we should let go by idly regardless of how far ahead we are right now.

Yea, I'm pretty sure I've seen towns burns themselves to the ground more than a few times in situations like this where we are so far ahead.

htaeD posted...

Taco/Mzero: Stayed hands off from Wall, but his taunter claim felt genuine. Mzero needs to step up however.

Step up? MZero needs to functionally play the game of Mafia. The playerslot may as well be empty right now.

Corrik7 posted...

I never understood why yinz are helping him hammer people. All the people posting after the stop suggests not scum that didn't know scum put the kill in and it was coming. But, third party win condition could be in play.

You're just mad I would shoot you with it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't think anyone town read him from his power

I honestly only remember Ben town reading me anyway. Which is fine, I have yet to really do much anyway because I'm just biding my time until POW! (right in the kisser)

As convoluted as the claim is, Scum shouldn't have both whatever happened to Lopen and an EK on top of that.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I honestly only remember Ben town reading me anyway. Which is fine, I have yet to really do much anyway because I'm just biding my time until POW! (right in the kisser)

POW! RIGHT IN THE SHITTER!

Meow1000 posted...

As convoluted as the claim is, Scum shouldn't have both whatever happened to Lopen and an EK on top of that.

Yea I considered that Lopen disappearing is likely their strongman/EK to get around protection. It's awesome they used it on the one player that would definitely help them win just by playing the game lol

Meow1000 posted...

As convoluted as the claim is, Scum shouldn't have both whatever happened to Lopen and an EK on top of that.

True, but it doesnt say anything about IGCD alignment wise.

Yaknow that reminds me it may be important to check who stated that Wallz being scum did not have to be true
(even if I was one of them)
Because they knew too much and were showing it

Meow1000 posted...

As convoluted as the claim is, Scum shouldn't have both whatever happened to Lopen and an EK on top of that.

... my point is that, just like with Wallz, if he is scum why believe any of it?
Igcd not getting countered is a valid point but in Lea's last game she outright told scum "no Miller exists in this game" so the uncountered scum Miller claim was town read by literally everyone.

As far as his play, to me it seems like it's been 90+% on his "last vote" business. Not much elsewhere.

I don't think igcd should be top of the lynch pile today but he should still not be anywhere close to Chang and Kirby, is my point.

How many scum are we looking at in 19? 5 or 6?

htaeD posted...

True, but it doesnt say anything about IGCD alignment wise.

Yaknow that reminds me it may be important to check who stated that Wallz being scum did not have to be true
(even if I was one of them)
Because they knew too much and were showing it

Ben's pretty much called Corrik out on this that I remember

PeaceFrog posted...

... my point is that, just like with Wallz, if he is scum why believe any of it?
Igcd not getting countered is a valid point but in Lea's last game she outright told scum "no Miller exists in this game" so the uncountered scum Miller claim was town read by literally everyone.

As far as his play, to me it seems like it's been 90+% on his "last vote" business. Not much elsewhere.

I don't think igcd should be top of the lynch pile today but he should still not be anywhere close to Chang and Kirby, is my point.

He isn't anywhere close to them.

PeaceFrog posted...

Igcd not getting countered is a valid point but in Lea's last game she outright told scum "no Miller exists in this game" so the uncountered scum Miller claim was town read by literally everyone.

Do you believe that vig is a role that the scum team would be told is not in the game?

There is a lot of people who don't know the difference between people they suspect and POE.

Meow1000 posted...

Ben's pretty much called Corrik out on this that I remember

What

PeaceFrog posted...

Igcd not getting countered is a valid point but in Lea's last game she outright told scum "no Miller exists in this game" so the uncountered scum Miller claim was town read by literally everyone.

I think the point is town likely has killing power in 19, so if it's not IGCD he would have been countered

MZero can you walk us through your thought process for picking to taunt Corrik?

red13n posted...

Honestly solving effort is a weird term to use where the two scum were pretty much gift wrapped to us.

In all fairness, Ben's reads list on Day 1 is what convinced me to switch from jailing MI to jailing Wallz. I'd like to give him credit for that.

And given how well-supported and thorough Ben's analyses have been, going as far as citing specific posts, he'd be putting up an incredible amount of theater if he's scum. Like, Ben doesn't seem to be faking it. His solving effort has been unreal this game.

Isoing Wallz, I don't think his interactions with Blade both at start and end of day 1 reads like scum/scum.

I thought he was the obvious target and if I died you guys could figure it out. I thought we had to sort out the contradicting claims and Corrik seemed to be the more sussed of the two. If I was RB'd he's likely clear since scum blocker is ded. Also we know he didn't send the kill which is slight town points.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Isoing Wallz, I don't think his interactions with Blade both at start and end of day 1 reads like scum/scum.

Same with Ben really

Ben needed it less but sure.

If Wallz had a scummate in the people he called town, it's Peaf.

He just repeatedly calls his posts sincere which seems a bit random to me

MZero posted...

I think the point is town likely has killing power in 19, so if it's not IGCD he would have been countered

Sure it's reasonable but it's not enough for me to take him out of my poe. It's an assumption on lea setup.

Votals
[4] Corrik - Ulti, Kirby, (IGCD), MI, IGCD

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends May 6th at 6 pm EST.

Honestly, vanilla was the claim that i expected corrik to make.

The ranting about being scanned makes me less certain on a town claim.

There is no reason to 100% remove IGCD from POE on setup meta, just no reason for him to be anywhere near next on the chopping block.

I have him as not scum with 3rd party fear.

Leafeon13N posted...

I have him as not scum with 3rd party fear.

IGCD being third party that needs to end last on lynches is... Possible I think?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Isoing Wallz, I don't think his interactions with Blade both at start and end of day 1 reads like scum/scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Ben needed it less but sure.

If Wallz had a scummate in the people he called town, it's Peaf.

And while no one actually commented on the point I made last night, I don't think Death's interaction with Peaf at end of day 1 reads as scum/scum.

Peaf made a snide comment and Death immediately jumped him for it. It feels completely out of character for Death to even consider doing this in that situation if they're both scum.

I know I'm town so there's not much to do with that info. It could be scum/ town or town/ town.

Death hasn't triggered my town clear yet so I'm suspicious of him there.

PeaceFrog posted...

I know I'm town so there's not much to do with that info. It could be scum/ town or town/ town.

Death hasn't triggered my town clear yet so I'm suspicious of him there.

Death's comment towards you struck me as salty as fuck after Knightz flipped scum, but I liked Death's day 2.

And does Death actually make comments that salty

Corrik7 posted...

Quendra, Town Vanilla.

Which is obviously the only role Quendra could be.

So you either screwed up a safe list role which would imply there are no flavor specialists on scum (or there are you ignored them) or you deliberately wasted a ton of our activity's bandwidth for no reason.

For all you know you could have been lynched while you slept and your last instruction would have been telling us that your flip would convince us blade is scum.

Fd, if corrik flipped vanilla after we lynched him surely we'd all realize that whatever he had on Blade was made up

Corrik, can you remind walk me through the idea of saying you blocked Blade again?

Now that it wasn't because you thought you stopped a kill.

PeaceFrog posted...

Fd, if corrik flipped vanilla after we lynched him surely we'd all realize that whatever he had on Blade was made up

It would clearly expose a Deep State Conspiracy.

MZero posted...

I thought he was the obvious target and if I died you guys could figure it out. I thought we had to sort out the contradicting claims and Corrik seemed to be the more sussed of the two. If I was RB'd he's likely clear since scum blocker is ded. Also we know he didn't send the kill which is slight town points.

Mechanically I don't think that works.

Redirection happens after roleblock, so Corrik's theoretical Roleblock would have occurred before your taunt goes into effect. So you've effectively done nothing for two nights >_>

Meow1000 posted...

but I liked Death's day 2.

Death made no impression on me at all day 2. Maybe I was distracted from everything else happening.

I'm not denying that corrik has been inconsistenct and scummy. But I've seen town corrik so that too.

Now name for me anything that red has done that isn't useless semantics.

Meow1000 posted...

Death's comment towards you struck me as salty as fuck after Knightz flipped scum, but I liked Death's day 2.

And does Death actually make comments that salty

I was pretty salty about that time you all mislynched me let me tell ya.
But that post towards you was more about my dislike for nonconstructive sermonizing.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Mechanically I don't think that works.

Redirection happens after roleblock, so Corrik's theoretical Roleblock would have occurred before your taunt goes into effect. So you've effectively done nothing for two nights >_>

Corriks roleblock shouldnt have gone anywhere else tho?
Not that it matters now with his claim retracted

PeaceFrog posted...

Death made no impression on me at all day 2. Maybe I was distracted from everything else happening.

I'm not denying that corrik has been inconsistenct and scummy. But I've seen town corrik so that too.

Now name for me anything that red has done that isn't useless semantics.

I remember Red calling Death town early day 2 and questioning him on why

I don't remember the answer though so let me check

red13n posted...

death is super townlocked.

Meow1000 posted...

Why

red13n posted...

No one points out their scummate bullshitting townreads like that.

That's about the extent of what I remember.

PeaceFrog posted...

Fd, if corrik flipped vanilla after we lynched him surely we'd all realize that whatever he had on Blade was made up

Of course, but I'm saying that he went to bed TELLING us that we can mislynch him and we would listen to him afterwards.

That's a stupid fucking thing to say if he knows his flip wouldn't mean anything and there was a non zero chance he just gets enough votes to end day early.

As scum or town vanilla it's a bluff regardless. I just don't see the justification for making that bluff as town.

htaeD posted...

I was pretty salty about that time you all mislynched me let me tell ya.
But that post towards you was more about my dislike for nonconstructive sermonizing.

That post was towards Peaf wtf

I do agree with FD here

Yes, Corrik is frustratingly stubborn at times, but go back and re-read his day 2 play with it in mind that he's a vanilla and this is all a bluff. It doesn't really track.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I just don't see the justification for making that bluff as town.

Hi fd, is this your first game playing with Corrik?

htaeD posted...

Corriks roleblock shouldnt have gone anywhere else tho?
Not that it matters now with his claim retracted

If he WERE roleblocker (and not blocked by Kirby) then hypothetically I think he would have blocked whoever he targeted before being ineffectively taunted.

Which is neither here nor there for today because it isn't relevant for multiple reasons, but moving forward I would suggest MZero not target someone claiminh an action with a faster action speed than him