Current Events > I'm for $60 billion aid to Ukraine but we could also use the same amount to help

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Here's how these packages work

We send them 60 billion dollar packages of weapons and defense. Not money. We then use that money to pay American companies to restock the products we shipped to them.

Like I said I support Ukraine, no need to sugar coat it, we sent $60 billion to Ukraine

Giving aid to other countries is not the reason why we aren't helping the homeless in this country.

Thats just a lazy and disgusting strawman made by the very same party that would throw homeless people into a fire pit if they could.

Like I said I support Ukraine, no need to sugar coat it, we sent $60 billion to Ukraine

Giving aid to other countries is not the reason why we aren't helping the homeless in this country.

Thats just a lazy and disgusting strawman made by the very same party that would throw homeless people into a fire pit if they could.

If you support Ukraine then you probably shouldn't parrot tankie/alt-right talking points.

Messed up post. It just sounds like if there was a $60 billion bill to spend on homless people I would vote for it but you guys would not, but I am being alt right lmao everyone knows me as the most progressive person on CE lol

. Is this a troll topic?

It would be nice if the politicians in DC had term limits and age limits. Stop the lobbying and insider trading. Maybe they wouldn't be so money and power hungry and would work for our country along with being the worlds protectors.

I don't think term limits will fundamentally change the viewpoints of the GOP.

Money alone will never fix the homeless problem.

It totally can. You can literally just give them apartments to live in and most of them will get their lives back together.

Now sure there's still going to be some homeless people but you can never solve any problem 100%. All evidence shows just giving people homes with no strings attached has a tremendous effect on both short term and long term homelessness.

Giving someone an apartment doesn't address the root problem that causes people to be homeless.

Give the homeless missiles. Got it.

Who gives a fuck about the root cause if you can get 90% of people off the streets permanently by giving away free homes?

Edit: and save money while doing it in the process

Over half of homeless people have addiction problems or a history of addiction problems. You give them a home and not address the root cause it will just lead to them losing that home.

It would be nice if the politicians in DC had term limits and age limits. Stop the lobbying and insider trading. Maybe they wouldn't be so money and power hungry and would work for our country along with being the worlds protectors.

Over half of homeless people have addiction problems or a history of addiction problems. You give them a home and not address the root cause it will just lead to them losing that home.

$60 billion to homeless could go into a various number of programs... like food bank services, temporary shelters, drug treatment, ad other resources not just "FREE HOUESS!!!11"

So your opinion is that they simply don't deserve to live in a home, even temporarily, because they're addicted to drugs? Why is it a bad idea to give people some of the help they need just because we can't give them all the help they need?

Even if we cut the military budget to zero, we would not fund any additional help for the homeless. That's our culture. That's how elections are won. It's so terrible that most people can't believe it and insist that the military budget is the problem. But it's still true.

So your opinion is that they simply don't deserve to live in a home, even temporarily, because they're addicted to drugs? Why is it a bad idea to give people some of the help they need just because we can't give them all the help they need?

TC, why are you only objecting to the Ukraine money, and none of the other spending?

Did I say that? Did I even infer that?

Over half of homeless people have addiction problems or a history of addiction problems. You give them a home and not address the root cause it will just lead to them losing that home.

How? By being unable to make their $0 monthly rent payment or something?

I all for $60 billion to Ukraine, but $60 billion is the most out of the money sent so I'm trying to argue the largest amount in favor of homeless help

Yes.

This is clearly a way of stating that it's a waste of time and effort to give them homes because the druggies will just be out on the street again anyway.

compared to 60bn, i realize the other 35b is a mere drop in the bucket.

but the whole package was 95b, which would even be more for the homeless. why didn't you object to the whole thing, which would have made your argument even stronger?

homeless people.

Homelessness in America is becoming a huge huge huge problem

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/us/politics/ukraine-aid-bill-gaza-johnson.html

Free homes and $0 monthly rent? For how long would they not have to pay rent?

Nah man you're trying to catch me where I'm not lmao, everyone today is talking about $60 billion stfu lmao

until the $60 billion runs out?

Doctors are taught to find the cause not just address the symptom. Perhaps they're on to something.

True, but not every homeless person became that way because they're addicted to drugs. Many of them became homeless due to not being able to afford rent and/or bills, unexpected medical bills wiping them out financially, escaping from an abusive situation, or so many other reasons. The idea that we shouldn't provide homeless people housing in general just because of the percentage of them that lost their homes due to prior drug use isn't treating the cause or the symptom, it's ignoring the symptom because you assume it only has a single cause.

Giving someone an apartment doesn't address the root problem that causes people to be homeless.

It'll help the moms and dads sleeping in cars that still have jobs, but it won't address the mental health issues that literally being on the streets for long stretches at a time cause.

I'm all for public housing, but simply having a home isn't the thing that causes people to have to sleep in their cars. Wages not matching the cost of living is a big one, not taking care of veterans coming home from overseas, drugs, alcohol, and mental instability issues also lead to being homeless too.

So again I'm all aboard getting people off the streets, but simply giving them a place to sleep won't stop the pipeline that led then there in the first place nor keep them off the streets permanently.

There's a myriad of things that lead to people not having a bed to sleep in. Root causes need to be addressed or you simply encounter the same problem over and over again.

There was a great boom in homeless over the last decade, you could give every one of them a place to stay and in ten years you'll have another boom in homeless again.

Free homes and $0 monthly rent? For how long would they not have to pay rent?