Current Events > Warhammer 40K makes first female custodians causing elements to call woke

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Guide posted...

Close, but no. Astartes are normal(ish) humans that, if successful in becoming candidates, get mass produced organ n' stuff shoved into them to become Astartes proper. These organs are the ak47 of augmentation: Generic, not perfect, but easy to mass produce and fairly reliable. All this stuff is heavily modified organ clones of clones of clones of Big Daddy E himself. There's the geneseed organ that is harvested from dead marines, which contains the genetic information necessary to keep production steady and stable. Chapters get fucked pretty hard if they lose a lot of geneseed, like losing your password and needing to reformat your drive just to have a drive to work with again.

Custodes were custom-crafted, chosen at first from Thunder Warriors (long story) and then from the infants of good bloodlines. They don't get that prepackaged organ junk. They are heavily modified down to the cell from birth, using rarefied superscience, and (only presumably) dna from Emps himself. They are individualistic, have custom abilities and gear, and serve the Emperor directly. The Astartes do their damnedest to fit in with each other all time and are constantly on the battlefield, taking orders from a chain of command.

Sheesh I meant this to be short. tl;dr Astartes are generic army jeeps, Custodes are souped up, overtuned supercars.

what does this all even mean lol

WingsOfGood posted...

what does this all even mean lol

Astartes and custodians are not the same at all beyond their faction specific "well duh"'s.

ya, that's the main reason the Astartes are male only, their geneseeds are mass produced clones from their Primarch... Malcador even warned the Emperor not to make 'all boys' because it would lead to infighting and jealousy and the Emperor was all like 'ah ha!! things will be ok bruh'

Now, ever since Cawl made the Primarus Marines all rules are out the window

Lokarin posted...

Now, ever since Cawl made the Primarus Marines all rules are out the window

It's funny this is the retcon people are up in arms about and not Primarus. You know the one designed to make your thousands of dollars of Space Marines obsolete so you have to buy new ones. They keep slowly discontinuing the old "first born" and it seems to be having a slowly boiling the frog effect since even though it's obvious what is happening I rarely see any outrage.

I've seen the outrage, but it's already been like, what, 7 years? Outrage dies with time. As will happen with this change.

Guide posted...

I've seen the outrage, but it's already been like, what, 7 years? Outrage dies with time. As will happen with this change.

wait, primaris is 7 already?

*puts Horus Heresy book back in the dust box*

I don't know much about 40K, but one time I skimmed through a Wiki page for the Immaterium (and stumbled across the Tau FTL retcon).
So with that in mind, how is "there have always been female custodians, you just didn't know it" the most unrealistic, unbelievable, least plausible, and controversial thing when compared to that?

And anyone remember Rogue Trader, the 1st edition of 40k, which was less grimdark and contain many fun elements like the Squats and Hruds (Space Dwarves and Skavens), the Space Marines being galactic cops that use mindwiped criminals, Elder and Ork mercenaries employed in the Imperial Guards, etc?

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Thanks @Guide for the mini lore dump lol.

So that means female custodians are not incompatible with existing lore, right?

St0rmFury posted...

Thanks @Guide for the mini lore dump lol.

So that means female custodians are not incompatible with existing lore, right?

Not incompatible, only Space Marines are said to need to be specifically male. Though that could be retconed pretty easily if they wanted. But as has been pointed out many times in here the lore is constantly changing and being retconed, so the idea of needing to be compatible with existing lore is pretty nebulous.

Guide posted...

Female custodians are a dumb thing that makes no sense that they shoved in because of Amazon. Fans have been clamoring for more attention to Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence, and then they do this.

@scazarmeltex do you actually care about 40k or is this reactionary arguing? People can be bothered by the same thing for entirely different reasons.

I never got too, too far into 40K, but the change is pretty bullshit. There are very, very specific reasons why there are no female custodians. They have female only factions and chose not to do shit with the SoB and SoS (even when 40K fans asked them to give them a lot more spotlight). This is only happening because of the Amazon show, so they can pretend they care about diversifying something that already had it. Anyone calling it an "alt right" thing doesn't know what they are talking about.

And what are those very, very specific reasons?

Why, when Custodes are a bespoke set of changes to each individual, could a custodes not be a woman?

Enclave posted...

Depends on how they do it (I maintain the problem isn't the female custodes but rather saying there have always been them). I saw some 40k nerds saying this would have been cool and would have worked (though I don't know near enough about 40k lore to understand this comic at all).

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Now like I said, I don't know enough about 40k to know what this comic even means but it kinda goes along with my point that this is a work of fiction, if they put the slightest effort in they could come up with an explanation that would satisfy anybody who isn't being completely irrational.

It implies that the girl Custodes is a Daemon of Tzeentch. The three eyes and blue glow are kinda his thing, his followers and Daemons tend to have asymmetrical mutations and blue to purple tones.

Tzeentch is a Chaos God of change. He likes when things happen. He doesn't really have a grand plan, cause as long as things change, he is happy.

Basically implying that girl Custodes are daemons, which sounds about right for certain WH40K fans.

Inuniverse nothing really prevents it.
ln reality, we have 30+ years of only Custodian males and not a single mention of a female one because they only produced male figures and didnt want to start producing another set that was slightly different.

I'll also say that as a long time 40k player, the last few days have been absolutely hilarious. The Facebook groups are full of people whining and crying over the change.

Not yet up to WFB levels of anger but getting close.

ssjevot posted...

Because currently Games Workshop keeps sending mixed signals about the horrible fascist dictatorship called the Imperium.

While most of the PLANETS are fascist, and/or dictatorships, or similar, the overall Imperium itself is more a theocracy. Planets' leaderships are generally allowed to do what they want as long as they pay the tithe, and don't allow heresy/aliens/etc.

WingsOfGood posted...

Are you referring to the videos in my first post?

Cause if so you didn't watch as the second video the guy is positive and just goes over the change.

Admittedly, I just saw "woke" written on the first video and assumed they both were. Nevertheless, my mocking stands true.

People keep saying it's due to an Amazon show, but if I was going to do a conspiracy theory it would be to distract from Age of Sigmar players having had two armies removed entirely and all the first generation Stormcast models get squatted. Arguing over lore distracts from the absolutely awful business model they use.

ssjevot posted...

People keep saying it's due to an Amazon show, but if I was going to do a conspiracy theory it would be to distract from Age of Sigmar players having had two armies removed entirely and all the first generation Stormcast models get squatted. Arguing over lore distracts from the absolutely awful business model they use.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me. RIP Beasts of Chaos, see you back in the Old World.

ssjevot posted...

distract from Age of Sigmar players having had two armies removed entirely.

Wait what happened here?

havean776 posted...

Wait what happened here?

Beasts of Chaos got squatted and will resurface back in the Old World. A bunch of 1st and 2nd edition Stormcast Eternals got squatted as well.

havean776 posted...

Wait what happened here?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/04/whats-leaving-the-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-range/

They basically sandwiched this between other announcements and hoped few people would notice, but people definitely noticed and got super pissed.

*I should note no one cares about them discontinuing those old Skaven models, some of which are decades old. However the Stormcast ones are literally from the first edition Age of Sigmar starter. They aren't old and they're basically just being swapped for new Stormcast models in the new edition. I think they're testing out a rotation of models. This happens in card games, but it hurts way more here due to the time and money invested in making your army.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/04/whats-leaving-the-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-range/

For details.

Thanks guys. Yep should of guest it would be the beastmen.
Dam Valkia as well!

havean776 posted...

Thanks guys. Yep should of guest it would be the beastmen.
Dam Valkia as well!

I still have a bunch of beastmen on sprue. Might have to grab some square bases instead now...

St0rmFury posted...

Thanks @Guide for the mini lore dump lol.

So that means female custodians are not incompatible with existing lore, right?

First, I have to make a correction: I was wrong about there being no more Custodes. They somehow restored their numbers to the original 10,000 after being reduced to 100s. Just how is unclear, could be the Emps left them with the secret tech, could be Cawl, and if they ever go into more detail it is very likely to be Cawl, because it's always Cawl. So more Custodes can be made, albeit seeming to be a rough process, because in the time it took to make those custodes, exponentially more Astartes lives started and ended.

But literal the explanation is "we take the sons of nobles for stock." That's it. The thematic explanation is that The Emperium is a patriarchal, paranoid, borderline omniphobic system.

Tyranids are better anyway. Just wish they'd give us back the Red Death and other 'characters'

It's a retcon. 40k is full of retcons. Adding a female custode is the least offensive retcon. But, people are always going to be mad over this. They just repeat whatever their content creator says.

Dio posted...

It's a dumb retcon. 40k is full of these retcons. As far as retcons go it's not even bad. But, those people outraging are always angry. They live to be outraged by everything. They need to be outraged. It's a sad life. No joke. I used to be that way. I was always watching my latest video from my content creator telling me to be angry. I was always angry. Always outraged over everything.

Good on you for getting away from that negativity. I mean that genuinely. Certain parts of the WH40k community do seem to just thrive on anger and hate, nothing else.

Oh, want me to delete that? Quoted you before you removed it

evilpresident posted...

Good on you for getting away from that negativity. I mean that genuinely. Certain parts of the WH40k community do seem to just thrive on anger and hate, nothing else.

They don't even play it. The loudest voices don't even play 40k. That's the sad part.

evilpresident posted...

Oh, want me to delete that? Quoted you before you removed it

I didn't know if was allowed here. I'm trying to be careful and not step on toes.

ssjevot posted...

It's funny this is the retcon people are up in arms about and not Primarus. You know the one designed to make your thousands of dollars of Space Marines obsolete so you have to buy new ones. They keep slowly discontinuing the old "first born" and it seems to be having a slowly boiling the frog effect since even though it's obvious what is happening I rarely see any outrage.

People were absolutely seething in rage at the Primaris reveal.

Im still seething over it. I hadnt even gotten over the Spiritual Liege fiasco.

Dio posted...

They don't even play it. The loudest voices don't even play 40k. That's the sad part.

I genuinely believe that if they'd pick up a paint brush and some dice, they wouldn't be nearly as angry about everything.

people are weirdly sexist to the most mundane things.

Hospy posted...

People were absolutely seething in rage at the Primaris reveal.

Im still seething over it. I hadnt even gotten over the Spiritual Liege fiasco.

What army do you play? My main issue with the Primaris stuff is how streamlined all the Space Marine factions are now. Death Company for Blood Angels, Grey Hunters for Space Wolves and so on. They all just look the same.

evilpresident posted...

What army do you play? My main issue with the Primaris stuff is how streamlined all the Space Marine factions are now. Death Company for Blood Angels, Grey Hunters for Space Wolves and so on. They all just look the same.

I think Primaris look a lot better. As do the Chaos resculpts, and the Eldar ones, and basically all of them. But for some reason Primaris needed to be entirely new profiles... I wonder why? (Because money)

evilpresident posted...

What army do you play? My main issue with the Primaris stuff is how streamlined all the Space Marine factions are now. Death Company for Blood Angels, Grey Hunters for Space Wolves and so on. They all just look the same.

I dabble in a lot of different armies (Guard, Admech, Orks) but I stopped playing my marines after the Primaris thing. I just didnt like how they handled it lorewise at all. The real kick in the nuts was when they started converting firstborn marines into Primaris, I just couldnt take it anymore.

Killing off the dreadnought was the final nail in the coffin for me for playing space marines.

Being reminded of all this again has put me in an incoherent rage.

ssjevot posted...

I think Primaris look a lot better. As do the Chaos resculpts, and the Eldar ones, and basically all of them. But for some reason Primaris needed to be entirely new profiles... I wonder why? (Because money)

GW does like money

Games workshop can retcon their lore whenever they want. They are the ones who control it.

Hospy posted...

I dabble in a lot of different armies (Guard, Admech, Orks) but I stopped playing my marines after the Primaris thing. I just didnt like how they handled it lorewise at all. The real kick in the nuts was when they started converting firstborn marines into Primaris, I just couldnt take it anymore.

Killing off the dreadnought was the final nail in the coffin for me for playing space marines.

Being reminded of all this again has put me in an incoherent rage.

Oh yeah, poor boxnaught. Don't play Space Marines but I loved the old Dreadnaught.

Noob question here, what's Chaos' counter to Primaris?

Every single one of you know why this was done and it wasn't out of genuine care or belief.
Pretending not to know why people are bothered is so insultingly dishonest I'm not sure why anyone even engages in the argument anymore.

Jonny2284 posted...

And what are those very, very specific reasons?

Why, when Custodes are a bespoke set of changes to each individual, could a custodes not be a woman?

For one thing, the Emperor purposely chooses men & see's them as the base for perfect super soldier specimens of war. They are not randomly chosen & are sons from Terran Nobility. The nobles essentially present their sons to the Emperor in a ceremony. The Emperor looks for the best genetically superior male babies, and then narrows it down further to the best of the best genetic males of the top 0.001%, etc. of those. Afterwards they are heavily modified at the cellular level to be "perfect" super soldiers via space alchemy by the Emperor. They are physically huge, and undergo huge amounts of muscle growth (many of them die in the process as their bodies couldn't handle the strain of the modification). They're even called The Emperor's true sons, and referred to as sons and use male pronouns.

So women custodians "always existing" is a lie.

St0rmFury posted...

Noob question here, what's Chaos' counter to Primaris?

Nothing really? Primaris can be corrupted as well, just not as easily. Khorne is loving the violence, Tzeentch is cackling his ass off as usual, Nurgle is still licking his wounds after the whole Garden incident and Slaanesh... well, who knows what they're up to.

I think Fabius Bile is experimenting with making his own Primaris Marines but I'm not sure if that plot has gone anywhere since.

St0rmFury posted...

Noob question here, what's Chaos' counter to Primaris?

They fixed the scale on them without getting new profiles. Eldar did the same thing (but we really need a new Dire Avengers sculpt because they look so short next to Guardians now).

PowerMan5000000 posted...

WH40K is nearly as lore rich as Lord of the Rings.

Want a successful show? Like just follow that lore.

I mean sure but if you think the reason why rings of power is trash is because "woke casting" then you really need to just give up watching any kind of film medium.

Been a Warhammer fan since the early 90s.

Personally Im fine with it. The lores always been changing.

evilpresident posted...

Nothing really? Primaris can be corrupted as well, just not as easily. Khorne is loving the violence, Tzeentch is cackling his ass off as usual, Nurgle is still licking his wounds after the whole Garden incident and Slaanesh... well, who knows what they're up to.

I think Fabius Bile is experimenting with making his own Primaris Marines but I'm not sure if that plot has gone anywhere since.

Bile is stalling because he doesn't want to work on the "next stage". He wants to jump stright to the new mankind. So he gives lip service to his boss while crafting the perfect his "New men".

havean776 posted...

Bile is stalling because he doesn't want to work on the "next stage". He wants to jump stright to the new mankind. So he gives lip service to his boss while crafting the perfect his "New men".

Bile is an interesting character, wish he'd get more attention. I like how he's so aggressively atheist that Daemons have difficulty keeping themselves together around him.