Current Events > Attack on Titan so good cause it sticks to rules (spoilers)

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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:05:53 AM
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Titan shifter die in a few years. Most authors would have felt written into a corner and been like "nah since Eren got the founder and touches a royal he can overwrite this rule!" but they didn't do that.

Naruto for example spoilers
Using Mangeyoku sharingan makes you go blind. Oh wait Madara just has tons of eyes. Oh wait the eternal Mageyoku sharigan doesn't make you go blind. Ez
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CARRRNE_ASADA
04/15/24 8:15:17 AM
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Its the silly power creep of having stronger and stronger enemies what ruins popular shounen series. But they gotta keep the cash cow going.

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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:17:36 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Its the silly power creep of having stronger and stronger enemies what ruins popular shounen series. But they gotta keep the cash cow going.

Most shounen

1. Introduce mc overpowered ability
2. Well it isn't op cause there is HUGE drawback
3. Later: Actually drawback doesn't apply to mc

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Kyuubi supplies him chakra but will take over him and make him feral. Actually Naruto just become his bud and this never happen and he got free basically unlimited chakra
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lilORANG
04/15/24 8:20:41 AM
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Naruto being able to befriend everyone is kinda an important plot point tho

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Irony
04/15/24 8:21:04 AM
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Being important doesn't mean not dumb

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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:24:51 AM
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lilORANG posted...
Naruto being able to befriend everyone is kinda an important plot point tho

That isn't the point. The point is setting up a rule then going back on it.

"Use of this power has massive drawbacks that is why it is op!"
"Just kidding doesn't apply to main character hahahhaha"

That is bad writing.

Even One Piece spoilers
Pretty sure in Lucci og fight gear 2 supposed to reduce his lifespan. That os just forgotten at this point.
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ironman2009
04/15/24 8:25:25 AM
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Zeke was right

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Irony
04/15/24 8:25:34 AM
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That was just a throwaway line

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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:26:14 AM
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ironman2009 posted...
Zeke was right

Nah
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random_man9119
04/15/24 8:27:46 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Even One Piece spoilers
Pretty sure in Lucci og fight gear 2 supposed to reduce his lifespan. That os just forgotten at this point.

Pretty sure that was just Lucci guessing based on the original strain Gear 2 seemed to have... Kind of like how Gear 3 used to shrink him after but he just overcame both those weaknesses...


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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:29:45 AM
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random_man9119 posted...
Pretty sure that was just Lucci guessing based on the original strain Gear 2 seemed to have... Kind of like how Gear 3 used to shrink him after but he just overcame both those weaknesses...

Nope this is just you realizing even the great Oda did this and trying to justify it.
Shounen thay don't break it own rules extremely rare and well written.
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Back_Stabbath
04/15/24 8:30:19 AM
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i can't really think of any of the nine that actually got to pass from age. reiner was closest but he got his ass saved by the titans disappearing. they all get killed in combat or eaten intentionally to pass on the power

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Irony
04/15/24 8:30:28 AM
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Impel Down has a better example of that plot point

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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:30:59 AM
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Back_Stabbath posted...
i can't really think of any of the nine that actually got to pass from age. reiner was closest but he got his ass saved by the titans disappearing. they all get killed in combat or eaten intentionally to pass on the power

At the end they live peacefully but not very long
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lilORANG
04/15/24 8:31:15 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
That isn't the point. The point is setting up a rule then going back on it.

"Use of this power has massive drawbacks that is why it is op!"
"Just kidding doesn't apply to main character hahahhaha"

That is bad writing.

Naruto has plenty of asspull examples but that's not one of them.

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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:32:01 AM
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Irony posted...
Impel Down has a better example of that plot point

That too.

Ability shortens lifespan is the most common shounen drawback that ia also "nah not for mc"
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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:33:31 AM
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lilORANG posted...
Naruto has plenty of asspull examples but that's not one of them.

Wrong. This is an asspull. You can like an asspull but doesn't make it not one.
Sometimes breaking the rules is entertaining. Sometimes sticking to rules isn't.
That is why it is so hard to do and ones that stick to rules and entertain are just so well written.
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mehmeh1
04/15/24 8:34:19 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
At the end they live peacefully but not very long

Pretty sure they literally said the curse is gone after Eren died and Ymir did the thing

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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:36:02 AM
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There was a timeskip and if I recall Eren motivation at the end partially was because he had very little time left.
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random_man9119
04/15/24 8:36:39 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Nope this is just you realizing even the great Oda did this and trying to justify it.

If it was ever said more than once by more than just Lucci, I'd agree... But at most it's a throwaway line from a condescending asshole...

WingsOfGood posted...
Shounen thay don't break it own rules extremely rare and well written.

I don't really see it as a problem unless the rule breaking becomes a pattern... Like I like Demon Slayer but the decapitation rule becomes wishy-washy pretty quick and then characters keep being confused when a decapitation doesn't work...

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WingsOfGood
04/15/24 8:37:13 AM
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mehmeh1 posted...
Pretty sure they literally said the curse is gone after Eren died and Ymir did the thing

Oh did they? Guess even this writer couldn't stick to it.
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pegusus123456
04/15/24 8:40:05 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Oh did they? Guess even this writer couldn't stick to it.
He removed titans from the world entirely, I don't see why the time limit would stick around.

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Doe
04/15/24 8:45:48 AM
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Something like Gear 2 reducing lifespan isn't a plot hole. One Piece happens in the span of like 3 years...

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Goldice
04/15/24 8:55:20 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...

He removed titans from the world entirely, I don't see why the time limit would stick around.

yeah I don't think it's as much of an asspull if the op power disappeared. Especially since the death was a result of the curse of ymir (which was lifted) rather than using said op powers draining lifeforce or something

I feel like most stories do this with op abilities when they don't have a fixed ending. Heck at one point in dbz turning super sayian turned you into a bloodlust warrior (there was a whole thing amongst the other characters worrying about gokus control of self as well as goku yelling at gohan to listen to him while he had sense left) and I don't think that even made it to the end of the saga it was introduced.

I kind of roll my eyes any time a story introduces a power that "drains lifeforce". It just reeks of artificially trying to add cost to a power that will either be retconned or outside the time frame of the story so the writer never has to address the gravity of it

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