Current Events > You have to be insane not to vote for Biden

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ButteryMales posted...

You should be asking Biden that.

There's no need. I see what he does and tries to do domestically. Problem is most of what needs to be done is stonewalled by courts and congress. His administration has been doing a lot of good but can be better of those groups cooperated for the good of the country than themselves.

rideshort posted...

There's no need. I see what he does and tries to do domestically.

You should read that article.

ButteryMales posted...

You should be asking Biden that.

But if you know Trump is the worse option, then why aren't you doing what's right for you, damn Biden's position on Israel?

Why does any stupid politician need to earn the right for you to vote in harm mitigation? Why would you risk worse? For some dumb principles? To punish someone who won't be the one punished if he loses?

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

also @MrMojoRising nice failure of a topic you had there.

Which one? I mean both got locked which really proves my point about the mods lol

ButteryMales posted...

You should read that article.

Like I said, domestically. I know how bad the issue in Palestine is, but I'm not going to let one single issue change that when I know there are no other viable options to choose from that have a chance in winning the presidency. Im sure you know that too.

hockeybabe89 posted...

But if you know Trump is the worse option, then why aren't you doing what's right for you, damn Biden's position on Israel?

Why does any stupid politician need to earn the right for you to vote in harm mitigation? Why would you risk worse? For some dumb principles? To punish someone who won't be the one punished if he loses?

I've answered these question many times.

Trump is a moron. Trump voters are morons. Republican politicians are bribed greedy liars.

If ending Democracy made money Mike Pence and Bill Barr would have done it in 2020. I'm not scared of Trump. I'm much more scared of AIPAC and how their money can blackmail Biden into committing a genocide.

rideshort posted...

Like I said, domestically.

So you agree you should ask Biden why he's destroying his campaign for Israel? I was responding to the no-need comment.

MrMojoRising posted...

Which one? I mean both got locked which really proves my point about the mods lol

An accelerationist getting their topics locked for their bad opinions is right on the money for good mod behavior.

ButteryMales posted...

If ending Democracy made money Mike Pence and Bill Barr would have done it in 2020. I'm not scared of Trump. I'm much more scared of AIPAC and how their money can blackmail Biden into committing a genocide.

If ending Democracy was a delicious prospect to them in 2016, they would have tried harder to do it.

Now that they know their schtick is unpopular, they'll go to much greater lengths to see their ambition through.

You don't actually care though, if you did you wouldn't be abstaining.

Toast should just officially make not voting for Biden against the rules. It's better than what's happening now.

ButteryMales posted...

Trump is a moron. Trump voters are morons. Republican politicians are bribed greedy liars.

If ending Democracy made money Mike Pence and Bill Barr would have done it in 2020.

I mean take environmental issues. Lack of concern for the environment can and will even impact the rich and so on, yet many lack any concern about minimizing damage, so yeah I don't think it is out of line for people to feed their bigotry at the expense of making money for example.

Or take LGBTQ+ hate. People will let said hate override any opinions of their loved ones or even turn their backs if a family member comes out of the closet.

And I do get the self-hate (that is hating that our own country has failed us), but letting everyone here suffer cause of voter failure isn't anymore ethically sound.

Edit:
Heck, people claim to be against abortion for moral reasons in believing it to be murder. But said people don't volunteer money or time to services to make sure that an unwanted/abandoned child will be attended to. Despite how letting a child fall to harm means they don't grow up to have their own kids.

In short bigotry or various social strifes wouldn't happen if practicality matter that much. Trump wouldn't even have a shot at nearly winning if people valued democracy.

Cemith posted...

If ending Democracy was a delicious prospect to them in 2016, they would have tried harder to do it.

They didn't want to end Democracy in 2020 so why bring up 4 years earlier?

Cemith posted...

Now that they know their schtick is unpopular, they'll go to much greater lengths to see their ambition through.

Popularity is profit. They still wouldn't want to end Democracy.

Antiyonder posted...

I mean take environmental issues. Lack of concern for the environment can and will even impact the rich and so on, yet many lack any concern about minimizing damage, so yeah I don't think it is out of line for people to feed their bigotry at the expense of making money for example.

I don't understand what you're arguing? The old rich don't care about the environment because they don't give a shit about anything other than their own money and they'll be dead before it effects them.

Antiyonder posted...

Or take LGBTQ+ hate. People will let said hate override any opinions of their loved ones or even turn their backs if a family member comes out of the closet.

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Heck, people claim to be against abortion for moral reasons in believing it to be murder. But said people don't volunteer money or time to services to make sure that an unwanted/abandoned child will be attended to. Despite how letting a child fall to harm means they don't grow up to have their own kids.

In short bigotry or various social strifes wouldn't happen if practicality matter that much. Trump wouldn't even have a shot at nearly winning if people valued democracy.

I said Trump voters are morons. We agree on all this.

ButteryMales posted...

It's better than what's happening now.

you getting embarrassed repeatedly on your dogshit takes and dogshit attempts at justifying how abstaining is whats best?

ButteryMales posted...

I don't understand what you're arguing? The old rich don't care about the environment because they don't give a shit about anything other than their own money and they'll be dead before it effects them.

Yeah, but even years before same rich people aged they or even younger average classed citizens will dismiss environmental concerns.

I said Trump voters are morons. We agree on all this.

Right, but your comment about democracy being to profitable to give up sounds like you're saying that people would never do anything to screw themselves over. But arguably people will let proide override profit, safety or anything that otherwise matters.

Rika_Furude posted...

you getting embarrassed repeatedly on your dogshit takes and dogshit attempts at justifying how abstaining is whats best?

If I was embarrassed I wouldn't post.

Why didn't you quote the rest of my post? Embarrassed?

ButteryMales posted...

They didn't want to end Democracy in 2020 so why bring up 4 years earlier?

They probably didn't think they'd need to. Then Trump lost the popular vote for the second time, and became a felon (). He's got a lot more to lose now. So, you know, that's one of many reasons. (Also they fucking did hello 1/6???)

ButteryMales posted...

Popularity is profit. They still wouldn't want to end Democracy.

Boy howdy wait till you find out that dictators don't actually care about popularity. What's the matter with you? I'm genuinely asking.

ButteryMales posted...

I said Trump voters are morons.

But also apparently not worth voting against \ _ _ /

Cemith posted...

They probably didn't think they'd need to. Then Trump lost the popular vote for the second time, and became a felon (). He's got a lot more to lose now. So, you know, that's one of many reasons.

This. Yeah let's face it. Trump winning at all and having a shot even if he loses is a sign that racial, gender and sexuality based equality is still a major challenge we need to keep at.

But by that same degree, Republicans took his win as a sign that Democracy is/was dead and that everyone would embrace bigotry.

Antiyonder posted...

Yeah, but even years before same rich people aged they or even younger average classed citizens will dismiss environmental concerns.

You're point being? What specific rich person are you talking about?

Those average classed citizens are the conservative/Trumper morons.

Antiyonder posted...

Right, but your comment about democracy being to profitable to give up sounds like you're saying that people would never do anything to screw themselves over. But arguably people will let proide override profit, safety or anything that otherwise matters.

If you're wealthy enough to have a think tank tell you the best course of action it's hard to screw yourself over. Then there's people so rich they can't screw themselves enough. Elon Musk has done stupid thing after stupid thing while still being rich.

Cemith posted...

They probably didn't think they'd need to. Then Trump lost the popular vote for the second time, and became a felon (). He's got a lot more to lose now. So, you know, that's one of many reasons.

Who are you talking about?

Cemith posted...

Boy howdy wait till you find out that dictators don't actually care about popularity. What's the matter with you? I'm genuinely asking.

The problem is you don't know that there's billionaires with more power than Trump or any dictator. AIPAC is blackmailing Biden into a genocide and you don't see it.

Cemith posted...

But also apparently not worth voting against \ _ _ /

I would vote against them if Biden would stop a genocide.

ButteryMales posted...

I've answered these question many times.

Trump is a moron. Trump voters are morons. Republican politicians are bribed greedy liars.

If ending Democracy made money Mike Pence and Bill Barr would have done it in 2020. I'm not scared of Trump. I'm much more scared of AIPAC and how their money can blackmail Biden into committing a genocide.

So you do actually believe Biden is worse for the world than Trump?

Even though every single Republican in office in the US is actively trying to eradicate every single LGBTQ person in the country (because they hate us and view as dangerous subhumans) AND destroy anyone who believes women should have basic human rights. We'll be indistinguishable from Saudi Arabia with a GOP win. We are on the complete brink of collapse and you don't give a shit about anything except (allegedly) Gaza, which isn't getting any better if Biden doesn't win anyway.

So again, who is benefitting from Biden not winning? Who is really losing if he loses?

ButteryMales posted...

The problem is you don't know that there's billionaires with more power than Trump or any dictator. AIPAC is blackmailing Biden into a genocide and you don't see it.

Uh, Israel is committing a genocide and they have been since before you were born. Biden is participating in the same bipartisan shitty American foreign policy that also predates you and I.

ButteryMales posted...

Who are you talking about?

Trump's cabinet and cronies.

ButteryMales posted...

The problem is you don't know that there's billionaires with more power than Trump or any dictator.

What you don't seem to understand is that all the "bribe money" (lol) in the world won't stop Trump and his army of alt-right Thinktank Yes Men from ruining it for everyone.

I would vote against them if Biden would stop a genocide

Okay. I think I've had enough. Let's break down your stances, shall we?

1.) You don't like what's happening in Palestine, so you're abstaining, but understand Trump will be worse. Which tells me you don't care as much as you claim, you just like the smell of your own farts.

2.) Your plan, by your admittance in a separate topic, is that Trump may be assassinated if he wins. That, to you, is a good back up plan. I'm sure I don't have to tell you the last President that was assassinated was, you know, a while ago. What this tells me is that your conviction for preventing Trump begins and ends with someone killing him, and not actually doing what you can to prevent him at the ballot box.

3.) You haven't brought up a single other issue in these topics other than Gaza. As alluded to earlier, you know Trump will be worse. But that's just with Gaza. You have failed to bring up that minorities, women, and trans people will all be under attack under a conservative GOP. What this tells me, is that you don't actually care enough about domestic problems, so you use Gaza has a smokescreen for not actually feeling any civic responsibility to your neighbors, and their well-beings.

You, ultimately, have no convictions. You want other people to solve your problems for you, but without a smidge of pragmatism in your entire body. Others be damned, as long as you feel better.

You claim to be against genocide but can't be fucked to prevent it and other adjacent activities happening here under the GOP rule. Which need I remind you, has already started with Roe V Wade. Thus your inept grandstanding rings hollow.

You understand what's better, but choose to be contrarian. Ultimately, you're just as culpable for a Trump win as any MAGAt.

I hope others see your frail logic and understand that you're not a person to be taken seriously.

Cemith posted...

2.) Your plan, by your admittance in a separate topic, is that Trump may be assassinated if he wins. That, to you, is a good back up plan. I'm sure I don't have to tell you the last President that was assassinated was, you know, a while ago. What this tells me is that your conviction for preventing Trump begins and ends with someone killing him, and not actually doing what you can to prevent him at the ballot box.

I can't even laugh at this because it's an absolutely awful contingency plan. Voting against someone is a far easier and effective option than praying for an assassination.

hockeybabe89 posted...

So you do actually believe Biden is worse for the world than Trump?

Even though every single Republican in office in the US is actively trying to eradicate every single LGBTQ person in the country (because they hate us and view as dangerous subhumans) AND destroy anyone who believes women should have basic human rights. We'll be indistinguishable from Saudi Arabia with a GOP win. We are on the complete brink of collapse and you don't give a shit about anything except (allegedly) Gaza, which isn't getting any better if Biden doesn't win anyway.

So again, who is benefitting from Biden not winning? Who is really losing if he loses?

I can't see the future. What I can say now is unlimited money in politics is worst for the world. They're blackmailing a President into transferring weapons to kill children.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Uh, Israel is committing a genocide and they have been since before you were born. Biden is participating in the same bipartisan shitty American foreign policy that also predates you and I.

It being wrong to vote for Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden doesn't make me want to vote for Joe Biden.

Cemith posted...

Trump's cabinet and cronies.

Bill Barr and Mike Pence were in his cabinet.

Cemith posted...

What you don't seem to understand is that all the "bribe money" (lol) in the world won't stop Trump and his army of alt-right Thinktank Yes Men from ruining it for everyone.

All it took was Mike Pence, Bill Barr, and the Hero who killed Ashley Babbitt the first time. The most powerful U.S. military is made up of poor people who wanted to pay for college. Money makes the world go around.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Even though every single Republican in office in the US is actively trying to eradicate every single LGBTQ person in the country (because they hate us and view as dangerous subhumans) AND destroy anyone who believes women should have basic human rights. We'll be indistinguishable from Saudi Arabia with a GOP win. We are on the complete brink of collapse and you don't give a s*** about anything except (allegedly) Gaza, which isn't getting any better if Biden doesn't win anyway.

This is why I can't take this seriously. People exaggerate things until they are almost comical in nature. "Indistigushable from Saudi Arabia?" Really?

ButteryMales posted...

It being wrong to vote for Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden doesn't make me want to vote for Joe Biden.

So you hate politicians more than you love yourself, your family, your friends, and countless innocent fellow Americans

ButteryMales posted...

I can't see the future. What I can say now is unlimited money in politics is worst for the world. They're blackmailing a President into transferring weapons to kill children.

We're almost a decade into the Trump GOP and you're still going "I can't see the future" as if we have no past and present track record to go off of. Well thankfully I must be a seer since I've fucking called all of it. And since when does a President need to be blackmailed to help kill foreign children?

Cemith posted...

I hope others see your frail logic and understand that you're not a person to be taken seriously.

Many already knew this, I'm surprised it took you this long to get there.

Full_Pokedex posted...

This is why I can't take this seriously. People exaggerate things until they are almost comical in nature. "Indistigushable from Saudi Arabia?" Really?

Buddy, you can't stub your toe without worrying about imminent nuclear annihilation!

I don't care what others say about you. No way you aren't aware of how you're the last one who should be lecturing people on fearmongering or not leaving their house.

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But why would Duncan care about raped children being executed if some congressman promised him fast Internet last month and he hasn't gotten it yet?

https://youtu.be/oqiOeiG4VNo?si=o78zzqxchlrRXnrd

No one is going to execute children.

hockeybabe89 posted...

So you hate politicians more than you love yourself, your family, your friends, and countless innocent fellow Americans

My family and friends are as anti-genocide as I am.

hockeybabe89 posted...

We're almost a decade into the Trump GOP and you're still going "I can't see the future" as if we have no past and present track record to go off of. Well thankfully I must be a seer since I've fucking called all of it.

What we saw was Trump lost his reelection. Mike Pence and Bill Barr turned on Trump. Ashley Babbitt got shot so the cosplayers ran away. Trump didn't stay in the Whitehouse. Trump's Supreme Court didn't side with Trump. Lower court Trump judges didn't side with Trump.

ButteryMales posted...

My family and friends are as anti-genocide as I am.

What does that have to do with you not caring about them? Or do they all agree that you have to make things much worse if you want them to be better? They all ready to throw America under the bus if Joe Biden doesn't tell Israel to fuck itself?

ButteryMales posted...

What we saw was Trump lost his reelection. Mike Pence and Bill Barr turned on Trump. Ashley Babbitt got shot so the cosplayers ran away. Trump didn't stay in the Whitehouse. Trump's Supreme Court didn't side with Trump. Lower court Trump judges didn't side with Trump

And the Nazi fuckers running red states are still fucking ruining people's lives whether or not they leave office when they lose an election. I never declared Trump wouldn't leave in 2020, but I still saw 1/6 coming.

Or just Trump or someone like him even being able to win at all. Conceding him the right to aim for Presidency doesn't mean anyone was obligated to vote for him and even as President, things like joking about dating his "hot daughter" should have merited a night in the slammer for example.

hockeybabe89 posted...

What does that have to do with you not caring about them?

Do you care for your family and friends?

ButteryMales posted...

Do you care for your family and friends?

Enough to vote against whatever will cause them the most harm

ButteryMales posted...

What we saw was Trump lost his reelection. Mike Pence and Bill Barr turned on Trump. Ashley Babbitt got shot so the cosplayers ran away. Trump didn't stay in the Whitehouse. Trump's Supreme Court didn't side with Trump. Lower court Trump judges didn't side with Trump.

And yet you are ignoring what he has done during his 4 years in office and the BS talking points he said to get elected during his 2016 campaign.

Again as Cemith said, you keep on ignoring domestic issues. Issues in Palenstine, fuck Biden and him being blackmailed by AIPAC I won't vote for him. Issues at home, LOL what is that?

I'm going to vote for biden again even though my life would not change at all under trump.

You know, is it really that insane to not vote for Biden in Cali though?

rideshort posted...

Issues at home, LOL what is that?

I don't have any domestic disagreements with Biden. If Biden ends the genocide in Gaza I will vote for Biden.

ButteryMales posted...

I don't have any domestic disagreements with Biden. If Biden ends the genocide in Gaza I will vote for Biden.

You understand if Trump wins, there will be a lot more domestic and foreign issues right?

rideshort posted...

You understand if Trump wins, there will be a lot more domestic and foreign issues right?

This. Concern over a foreign country would mean having empathy for people not connected to one directly except that many refusing to vote for Biden don't seem to care about countless people dealing with racism/sexism/homophobia or matters like being denied abortion.

rideshort posted...

You understand if Trump wins, there will be a lot more domestic and foreign issues right?

If I could see the future I would have stopped Oct 7th.

ButteryMales posted...

If I could see the future I would have stopped Oct 7th.

Please you couldn't do shit to stop that. Tensions between Israel and Palestine is decades long conflict well before either you and I were alive.

Past actions shape the future. Tax cuts on the rich, tanking the economy, COVID-19 mishandling, travel bans from Muslim countries, backing out of the Iran nuclear deal, kissing ass to dictators like Putin, Kim Jong Un, enabling people to discriminate, alienating LGBTQ and minorities, appointing corrupt SC Justices, boasting about the overturning of Roe V. Wade (and backpedaling on the recent Arizona ruling), content with domestic violence or acts of terror, inciting an insurrection. Need I go on?

At this point, you've demonstrated that you are cool with another term with Trump even though you admit he's an idiot and so are the supporters. Foreign policy is all you show to care about and fuck what will happen to this country.

rideshort posted...

Please you couldn't do shit to stop that.

That's the stupidest thing to say about future vision.

ButteryMales posted...

That's the stupidest thing to say about future vision.

Then enlighten me. What can you, a private citizen going to do to stop Hamas from attacking Israel? Also nice of you to ignore everything else.

rideshort posted...

Then enlighten me. What can you, a private citizen going to do to stop Hamas from attacking Israel?

Do you really want me to write a story about someone with future vision? When I said it I was thinking about being able to see everything in the future not just Oct. 7. Like the rise and fall of crypto.

rideshort posted...

Also nice of you to ignore everything else.

I didn't read anything past what I quoted.