Current Events > Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting

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refmon 04/09/24 1:41:34 PM #100:	I cant imagine defending somebody funding a literal GENOCIDE --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:979821406] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>I cant imagine defending somebody funding a literal GENOCIDE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 04/09/24 1:42:46 PM #101:	hockeybabe89 posted... No, they're morons for fucking themselves over because they can't psychologically handle voting for the lesser evil. They're unironically virtue signaling in that scenario. What they are doing is leveraging their power as a voter to affect a necessary change through political action. If Biden truly believes he'll lose the election because of these voters withholding their vote, and he truly believes that he must beat Trump at all costs, then surely you would agree that he MUST take action against Israel in order to meet their demands. If he doesn't do that, then it MUST mean that he either can't take any meaningful action, in which case he doesn't deserve the office, or he doesn't really believe those things. Also, your use of the phrase "virtue signal" in this context, where we are talking about war crimes and genocide, is absolutely disgusting, to be frank. --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:979821423] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>hockeybabe89 posted... </cite><quote>No, they're morons for fucking themselves over because they can't psychologically handle voting for the lesser evil. They're unironically virtue signaling in that scenario.</quote>What they are doing is leveraging their power as a voter to affect a necessary change through political action. If Biden truly believes he'll lose the election because of these voters withholding their vote, and he truly believes that he must beat Trump at all costs, then surely you would agree that he MUST take action against Israel in order to meet their demands. If he doesn't do that, then it MUST mean that he either can't take any meaningful action, in which case he doesn't deserve the office, or he doesn't really believe those things.Also, your use of the phrase "virtue signal" in this context, where we are talking about war crimes and genocide, is absolutely disgusting, to be frank. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 04/09/24 1:43:55 PM #102:	Doe posted... I don't think either land back or Hamas leaving is at all realistically on the table, but it would still be better for the fighting to stop. That's why it's a ceasefire and not a peace plan for the Middle East. Essentially, the only "realistic" deal is for everything to go back to the status quo of pre 10/7. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979821444] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>I don't think either land back or Hamas leaving is at all realistically on the table, but it would still be better for the fighting to stop. That's why it's a ceasefire and not a peace plan for the Middle East.</quote>Essentially, the only "realistic" deal is for everything to go back to the status quo of pre 10/7. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 04/09/24 1:44:09 PM #103:	Doe posted... I don't think either land back I dont think it would be that crazy tbh. But it would depend on Bibi finally getting forced out and would have to happen after the fighting in Gaza stops. or Hamas leaving is at all realistically on the table If hamas aren't being realistic about leaving then they arent interested in a ceasefire since their state goals and ambition is simply fighting Israel. If they don't leave then they would have to reform dramatically. But Israel also has to reform. Bibi and Gvir can go to the Hague. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:979821448] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>I don't think either land back</quote>I dont think it would be that crazy tbh. But it would depend on Bibi finally getting forced out and would have to happen after the fighting in Gaza stops.<quote>or Hamas leaving is at all realistically on the table</quote>If hamas aren't being realistic about leaving then they arent interested in a ceasefire since their state goals and ambition is simply fighting Israel.If they don't leave then they would have to reform dramatically.But Israel also has to reform. Bibi and Gvir can go to the Hague. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 04/09/24 1:45:03 PM #104:	ModernPost posted... What they are doing is leveraging their power as a voter to affect a necessary change through political action. If Biden truly believes he'll lose the election because of these voters withholding their vote, and he truly believes that he must beat Trump at all costs, then surely you would agree that he MUST take action against Israel in order to meet their demands. If he doesn't do that, then it MUST mean that he either can't take any meaningful action, in which case he doesn't deserve the office, or he doesn't really believe those things. Also, your use of the phrase "virtue signal" in this context, where we are talking about war crimes and genocide, is absolutely disgusting, to be frank. What type of action would people be willing to accept for Biden regarding Israel? Are you confident that that action will win him more votes than he loses in important states? --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979821465] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>What they are doing is leveraging their power as a voter to affect a necessary change through political action. If Biden truly believes he'll lose the election because of these voters withholding their vote, and he truly believes that he must beat Trump at all costs, then surely you would agree that he MUST take action against Israel in order to meet their demands. If he doesn't do that, then it MUST mean that he either can't take any meaningful action, in which case he doesn't deserve the office, or he doesn't really believe those things.Also, your use of the phrase "virtue signal" in this context, where we are talking about war crimes and genocide, is absolutely disgusting, to be frank.</quote>What type of action would people be willing to accept for Biden regarding Israel?Are you confident that that action will win him more votes than he loses in important states? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LonelyStoner 04/09/24 1:45:46 PM #105:	If your source is Fox News youve already lost the argument. --- He's all alone through the day and night. <cite>LonelyStoner posted [p:979821477] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>If your source is Fox News youve already lost the argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 04/09/24 1:46:01 PM #106:	Is it at all possible that the people are threatening to not vote, but when it comes down to the time, they will vote Biden? Yall are really asking people to shut up and just vote Biden. Trump is irrelevant to the issue. Like, who is it hurting to express your grievance? Do yall not understand the concept? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:979821478] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Is it at all possible that the people are threatening to not vote, but when it comes down to the time, they will vote Biden?Yall are really asking people to shut up and just vote Biden.Trump is irrelevant to the issue. Like, who is it hurting to express your grievance?Do yall not understand the concept? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rynobot 04/09/24 1:46:30 PM #107:	Oh are we pretending CNN is not a right wing network? --- GT: rynobot <cite>rynobot posted [p:979821491] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Oh are we pretending CNN is not a right wing network? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 04/09/24 1:46:40 PM #108:	LightningThief posted... Threatening to not vote, as if the worse case scenario winning will usher in those supposed values you claim to care about so much.... but instead worse usher in the exact opposite far worse is not a winning strategy either. In fact it's even worse. How'd that bright plan work for woman's rights amd civil rights supporters who stayed home in 2016. It got them a conservative Supreme Court. Feel like you're comparing two vastly different situations here. Either way, the only power most voters have is their vote. Biden knows that this issue is important to those that will vote for him. Not changing his stance here (to not supporting a genocide, mind you a very easy stance to take for most people) knowing that it could cost him the election is dumb. --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:979821493] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>Threatening to not vote, as if the worse case scenario winning will usher in those supposed values you claim to care about so much.... but instead worse usher in the exact opposite far worse is not a winning strategy either.In fact it's even worse. How'd that bright plan work for woman's rights amd civil rights supporters who stayed home in 2016. It got them a conservative Supreme Court.</quote>Feel like you're comparing two vastly different situations here. Either way, the only power most voters have is their vote. Biden knows that this issue is important to those that will vote for him. Not changing his stance here (to not supporting a genocide, mind you a very easy stance to take for most people) knowing that it could cost him the election is dumb. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 04/09/24 1:47:06 PM #109:	ModernPost posted... What they are doing is leveraging their power as a voter to affect a necessary change through political action. If Biden truly believes he'll lose the election because of these voters withholding their vote, and he truly believes that he must beat Trump at all costs, then surely you would agree that he MUST take action against Israel in order to meet their demands. If he doesn't do that, then it MUST mean that he either can't take any meaningful action, in which case he doesn't deserve the office, or he doesn't really believe those things. Also, your use of the phrase "virtue signal" in this context, where we are talking about war crimes and genocide, is absolutely disgusting, to be frank. Those people don't know what leverage means if they think thats a strong leverage to get what they want. You aren't leveraging anything by threatening to make your life or others peoples life worse. It's not even leverage to help Palestinians given them not voting actually makes their life worse. Also his use of the word "virtue signalling" isn't disgusting. If anything it's more disgusting to threaten women, minority and other group rights here in the states by choosing to let the other guy who is worse, win. That includes making Gaza and Palestinians life worse. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:979821502] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>What they are doing is leveraging their power as a voter to affect a necessary change through political action. If Biden truly believes he'll lose the election because of these voters withholding their vote, and he truly believes that he must beat Trump at all costs, then surely you would agree that he MUST take action against Israel in order to meet their demands. If he doesn't do that, then it MUST mean that he either can't take any meaningful action, in which case he doesn't deserve the office, or he doesn't really believe those things.Also, your use of the phrase "virtue signal" in this context, where we are talking about war crimes and genocide, is absolutely disgusting, to be frank.</quote>Those people don't know what leverage means if they think thats a strong leverage to get what they want. You aren't leveraging anything by threatening to make your life or others peoples life worse. It's not even leverage to help Palestinians given them not voting actually makes their life worse.Also his use of the word "virtue signalling" isn't disgusting. If anything it's more disgusting to threaten women, minority and other group rights here in the states by choosing to let the other guy who is worse, win. That includes making Gaza and Palestinians life worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 04/09/24 1:48:07 PM #110:	I sincerely hope these people do not regret consequences of their vote should Trump win again :) --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:979821521] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>I sincerely hope these people do not regret consequences of their vote should Trump win again :) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 04/09/24 1:48:58 PM #111:	rynobot posted... Oh are we pretending CNN is not a right wing network? CNN supports Trump? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:979821532] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>rynobot posted... </cite><quote>Oh are we pretending CNN is not a right wing network?</quote>CNN supports Trump?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 04/09/24 1:49:13 PM #112:	ModernPost posted... Also, your use of the phrase "virtue signal" in this context, where we are talking about war crimes and genocide, is absolutely disgusting, to be frank. Scratch a liberal etc etc --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:979821536] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>Also, your use of the phrase "virtue signal" in this context, where we are talking about war crimes and genocide, is absolutely disgusting, to be frank.</quote>Scratch a liberal etc etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 04/09/24 1:50:06 PM #113:	emblem-man posted... What type of action would people be willing to accept for Biden regarding Israel? Why don't you ask the people making the demands? What have they said? emblem-man posted... Are you confident that that action will win him more votes than he loses in important states? That's a political calculation for Biden to make. If he thinks he can win an election by capitulating to Israel's ongoing genocide of Palestinians, then I'm sure that's what he'll do. --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:979821558] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>What type of action would people be willing to accept for Biden regarding Israel?</quote>Why don't you ask the people making the demands? What have they said?emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>Are you confident that that action will win him more votes than he loses in important states?</quote>That's a political calculation for Biden to make. If he thinks he can win an election by capitulating to Israel's ongoing genocide of Palestinians, then I'm sure that's what he'll do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 04/09/24 1:51:14 PM #114:	Smashingpmkns posted... Scratch a liberal etc etc You know, even as recently as a year ago I would scoff at that saying. I'm not scoffing anymore. --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:979821584] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite><quote>Scratch a liberal etc etc</quote>You know, even as recently as a year ago I would scoff at that saying. I'm not scoffing anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 04/09/24 1:52:12 PM #115:	ModernPost posted... Why don't you ask the people making the demands? What have they said? No more weapons to Israel, military support, or protection in the UN is what I've noticed I think. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979821591] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>Why don't you ask the people making the demands? What have they said?</quote>No more weapons to Israel, military support, or protection in the UN is what I've noticed I think. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 04/09/24 1:53:40 PM #116:	Eh, if that's what they want, so be it. I'll be fine. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979821610] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Eh, if that's what they want, so be it. I'll be fine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 04/09/24 1:53:45 PM #117:	LightningThief posted... Those people don't know what leverage means if they think thats a strong leverage to get what they want. So what would suggest they do/use as leverage instead? <cite>lolife67 posted [p:979821612] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>Those people don't know what leverage means if they think thats a strong leverage to get what they want.</quote>So what would suggest they do/use as leverage instead?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 04/09/24 1:53:55 PM #118:	emblem-man posted... No more weapons to Israel, military support, or protection in the UN is what I've noticed I think. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:979821614] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>No more weapons to Israel, military support, or protection in the UN is what I've noticed I think.</quote>Sounds pretty reasonable to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikakaeru 04/09/24 1:55:32 PM #119:	No protection in the UN??? Wont that alienate a TON of Jewish American voters??? --- Pikakaeru, use water gun! <cite>pikakaeru posted [p:979821648] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>No protection in the UN??? Wont that alienate a TON of Jewish American voters??? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaikyoStyle 04/09/24 1:56:51 PM #120:	WingsOfGood posted... CNN supports Trump? CNN supports the status quo of neoliberalism. --- Taxes, death, and trouble. Brunt/Gaila 2024. Make Ferenginar Great Again! <cite>SaikyoStyle posted [p:979821674] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>CNN supports Trump?</quote>CNN supports the status quo of neoliberalism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 04/09/24 1:58:05 PM #121:	ModernPost posted... Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Maybe. Like I said in an earlier post I think it's a bit understated the amount of votes Biden might lose from swing states if he fully rejects Israel. I know polls say people want a change in policy and think that Israel needs to stop the war, but how it actually happens is important. Kind of like how people kept wanting us to get out of Afghanistan, but once it actually happened, Biden got very little credit for it from both the left and the right. In fact his ratings dropped then and haven't recovered since then. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e247c75a.jpg --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979821691] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>Sounds pretty reasonable to me.</quote>Maybe. Like I said in an earlier post I think it's a bit understated the amount of votes Biden might lose from swing states if he fully rejects Israel. I know polls say people want a change in policy and think that Israel needs to stop the war, but how it actually happens is important.Kind of like how people kept wanting us to get out of Afghanistan, but once it actually happened, Biden got very little credit for it from both the left and the right. In fact his ratings dropped then and haven't recovered since then.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e247c75a.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 04/09/24 1:58:23 PM #122:	pikakaeru posted... No protection in the UN??? Wont that alienate a TON of Jewish American voters??? Are you saying that Jewish American voters might LET TRUMP WIN by withholding their vote? Don't they know that Trump's policies would be worse? Why would they do that? --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:979821699] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>pikakaeru posted... </cite><quote>No protection in the UN??? Wont that alienate a TON of Jewish American voters???</quote>Are you saying that Jewish American voters might LET TRUMP WIN by withholding their vote? Don't they know that Trump's policies would be worse? Why would they do that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 04/09/24 2:00:01 PM #123:	Most people on CE seem to agree with the idea that strategic voting makes sense, so I don't get why most people on CE also don't seem to believe in strategic messaging. If the news put a microphone in your face and asked what was weighing on your mind regarding the election, why wouldn't you say "well it really depends on [action important to you]"? Even in the article the interviewer says "don't you think choosing not to could impact whether Trump gets elected" and the response is "that's why I want them to listen to me and right now they're not listening." The whole point of saying stuff like this a good seven months before the election is so that your candidate might pivot to be better before there's no time left. I think it'd be more reasonable to respond to these topics the way a lot of you do if it was October right now, but it's not. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:979821725] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Most people on CE seem to agree with the idea that strategic voting makes sense, so I don't get why most people on CE also don't seem to believe in strategic messaging. If the news put a microphone in your face and asked what was weighing on your mind regarding the election, why wouldn't you say "well it really depends on [action important to you]"?Even in the article the interviewer says "don't you think choosing not to could impact whether Trump gets elected" and the response is "that's why I want them to listen to me and right now they're not listening."The whole point of saying stuff like this a good seven months before the election is so that your candidate might pivot to be better before there's no time left. I think it'd be more reasonable to respond to these topics the way a lot of you do if it was October right now, but it's not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikakaeru 04/09/24 2:00:08 PM #124:	Im just asking why no UN protection is necessary --- Pikakaeru, use water gun! <cite>pikakaeru posted [p:979821727] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Im just asking why no UN protection is necessary </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 04/09/24 2:00:46 PM #125:	ModernPost posted... Are you saying that Jewish American voters might LET TRUMP WIN by withholding their vote? Don't they know that Trump's policies would be worse? Why would they do that? Yes they would be extremely fucking stupid to let the guy who keeps accidentally quoting hitler into the WH --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:979821740] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>Are you saying that Jewish American voters might LET TRUMP WIN by withholding their vote? Don't they know that Trump's policies would be worse? Why would they do that?</quote>Yes they would be extremely fucking stupid to let the guy who keeps accidentally quoting hitler into the WH </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pitbuller_26 04/09/24 2:02:32 PM #126:	The fact people ignore Hamas (the closest thing to an official state government) said they have no obligation to protect their civilians and purposefully put them in harm's way to maximize the outrage on civilian deaths is just astounding. Then, it's pretty much all but certain the rest of the hostages are dead hence why their declinations on past ceasefire attempts. Netanyahu and Ben Gvir are getting chopped and the Israeli government is even looking to expedite election season to get them out sooner. Now on thre Palestine side, there is no saving them since after the war ends and Hamas is still in power, civilians will still be terrorized by Hamas. Palestine is something other Middle Eastern nations ain't actually trying to help due to past history in helping them. I don't see a particularly good future for Palestine. <cite>Pitbuller_26 posted [p:979821757] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>The fact people ignore Hamas (the closest thing to an official state government) said they have no obligation to protect their civilians and purposefully put them in harm's way to maximize the outrage on civilian deaths is just astounding. Then, it's pretty much all but certain the rest of the hostages are dead hence why their declinations on past ceasefire attempts. Netanyahu and Ben Gvir are getting chopped and the Israeli government is even looking to expedite election season to get them out sooner. Now on thre Palestine side, there is no saving them since after the war ends and Hamas is still in power, civilians will still be terrorized by Hamas. Palestine is something other Middle Eastern nations ain't actually trying to help due to past history in helping them. I don't see a particularly good future for Palestine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BearlyWilling 04/09/24 2:02:38 PM #127:	Ah yes, wonderful choice. Nothing will send a stronger message to democrats thandoing their part to help a dictator get back in office? --- Hmm... <cite>BearlyWilling posted [p:979821758] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Ah yes, wonderful choice. Nothing will send a stronger message to democrats thandoing their part to help a dictator get back in office? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 04/09/24 2:03:25 PM #128:	SaikyoStyle posted... CNN supports the status quo of neoliberalism. sure but they wouldn't be trying to get Trump elected <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:979821775] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>SaikyoStyle posted... </cite><quote>CNN supports the status quo of neoliberalism.</quote>sure but they wouldn't be trying to get Trump elected</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 04/09/24 2:03:56 PM #129:	Doe posted... I don't get why most people on CE also don't seem to believe in strategic messaging. Unlike you or zell I dont think a lot of people posting on here or a lot of protestors are doing strategic messaging or merely bluffing in the primary to get biden to shift. I think a lot of them are just already gone and are not voting in nov. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:979821781] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>I don't get why most people on CE also don't seem to believe in strategic messaging.</quote>Unlike you or zell I dont think a lot of people posting on here or a lot of protestors are doing strategic messaging or merely bluffing in the primary to get biden to shift.I think a lot of them are just already gone and are not voting in nov. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yazarogi 04/09/24 2:04:36 PM #130:	CommonStar posted... Because they are not GOP voters... so they are intellectually dishonest --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker <cite>Yazarogi posted [p:979821788] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>CommonStar posted... </cite><quote>Because they are not GOP voters...</quote>so they are intellectually dishonest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 04/09/24 2:05:12 PM #131:	Shadow_Don posted... Yes they would be extremely fucking stupid to let the guy who keeps accidentally quoting hitler into the WH Sounds like they could get on board then. What's the issue? --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:979821797] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>Yes they would be extremely fucking stupid to let the guy who keeps accidentally quoting hitler into the WH</quote>Sounds like they could get on board then. What's the issue? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 04/09/24 2:05:39 PM #132:	pikakaeru posted... Im just asking why no UN protection is necessary It's not necessary and it's not coherent anyway to say there's a firm list of what needs to happen for people upset about Gaza to stop talking about it. Since there's not, the interest is in getting Israel's mass killing using US taxpayer dollars to stop, and there's several avenues to that. US's protection of Israel in the UN has been brought up before as a form of leverage it has with Israel that it has pretty much refused to exercise so far. The ideal solution wouldn't be to just cut off diplomatic relations with Israel but to use the fact that the US provides it with so much stuff to convince Israel to behave better. So far, US policy has basically been to tolerate Israel doing whatever it wants to Gaza based on the brutality of 10/7, though that appears to have started to turn around a bit after the international aid workers got triple drone striked recently. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:979821801] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>pikakaeru posted... </cite><quote>Im just asking why no UN protection is necessary</quote>It's not necessary and it's not coherent anyway to say there's a firm list of what needs to happen for people upset about Gaza to stop talking about it. Since there's not, the interest is in getting Israel's mass killing using US taxpayer dollars to stop, and there's several avenues to that. US's protection of Israel in the UN has been brought up before as a form of leverage it has with Israel that it has pretty much refused to exercise so far. The ideal solution wouldn't be to just cut off diplomatic relations with Israel but to use the fact that the US provides it with so much stuff to convince Israel to behave better. So far, US policy has basically been to tolerate Israel doing whatever it wants to Gaza based on the brutality of 10/7, though that appears to have started to turn around a bit after the international aid workers got triple drone striked recently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 04/09/24 2:05:43 PM #133:	BearlyWilling posted... Ah yes, wonderful choice. Nothing will send a stronger message to democrats thandoing their part to help a dictator get back in office? This but unironically. --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:979821802] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>BearlyWilling posted... </cite><quote>Ah yes, wonderful choice. Nothing will send a stronger message to democrats thandoing their part to help a dictator get back in office?</quote>This but unironically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikakaeru 04/09/24 2:06:27 PM #134:	ty Doe btw I agree with your logic --- Pikakaeru, use water gun! <cite>pikakaeru posted [p:979821810] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>ty Doe btw I agree with your logic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BearlyWilling 04/09/24 2:11:37 PM #135:	lolife67 posted... So when should they use that leverage? When will there ever not be a worse choice when it comes to the GOP? Start at the local/state level and maybe not in a race that is 100% going to be a Biden vs Trump repeat. If you have democrat reps in the house/senate that do not represent the will of the people, vote them out with democrats that DO represent the will of the people. If we start voting people out in those elections, you have a far better chance, at least IMO, to leverage tactics like this ahead of a presidential raceso long as you do it early enough, anyway. Just my $.02. The person you quoted is right though: threatening to abstain at a time when the opposition is a fascist dictator is not a good look. --- Hmm... <cite>BearlyWilling posted [p:979821876] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite><quote>So when should they use that leverage? When will there ever not be a worse choice when it comes to the GOP?</quote>Start at the local/state level and maybe not in a race that is 100% going to be a Biden vs Trump repeat. If you have democrat reps in the house/senate that do not represent the will of the people, vote them out with democrats that DO represent the will of the people. If we start voting people out in those elections, you have a far better chance, at least IMO, to leverage tactics like this ahead of a presidential raceso long as you do it early enough, anyway. Just my $.02. The person you quoted is right though: threatening to abstain at a time when the opposition is a fascist dictator is not a good look. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thanatos_the_Great 04/09/24 2:15:24 PM #136:	Smashingpmkns posted... Biden could earn these votes back if he did the objectively right thing and stopped providing billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel. --- Re-open board 261. <cite>Thanatos_the_Great posted [p:979821925] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite><quote>Biden could earn these votes back if he did the objectively right thing and stopped providing billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 04/09/24 2:16:27 PM #137:	WingsOfGood posted... CNN supports Trump? The new CEO or lead wants CNN to be nicer to Trump supporters. Or at least he did a year or 2 ago. I haven't kept up with it. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:979821943] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>CNN supports Trump?</quote>The new CEO or lead wants CNN to be nicer to Trump supporters. Or at least he did a year or 2 ago. I haven't kept up with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 04/09/24 2:16:41 PM #138:	ModernPost posted... Sounds like they could get on board then. What's the issue? That they are dumb and wrong. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:979821949] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>Sounds like they could get on board then. What's the issue?</quote>That they are dumb and wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yazarogi 04/09/24 2:17:14 PM #139:	many people that want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. yall are nuts --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker <cite>Yazarogi posted [p:979821959] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>many people that want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. yall are nuts </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 04/09/24 2:17:39 PM #140:	Na those people would find something else to bitch about. It's all right wing bullshit trying to divide the base. Falling for it just shows how susceptible to republican bullshit you truly are. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979821964] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Na those people would find something else to bitch about. It's all right wing bullshit trying to divide the base. Falling for it just shows how susceptible to republican bullshit you truly are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikakaeru 04/09/24 2:18:15 PM #141:	Yazarogi posted... many people that want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. yall are nuts No one wants that. --- Pikakaeru, use water gun! <cite>pikakaeru posted [p:979821973] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Yazarogi posted... </cite><quote>many people that want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. yall are nuts</quote>No one wants that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yazarogi 04/09/24 2:18:47 PM #142:	pikakaeru posted... No one wants that. lol ok --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker <cite>Yazarogi posted [p:979821981] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>pikakaeru posted... </cite><quote>No one wants that.</quote>lol ok </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 04/09/24 2:21:04 PM #143:	pikakaeru posted... No one wants that. Aside from the usual bad faith actors in this topic (they know who they are), there are genuine left leaning posters here who definitely want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. Not understanding the "leverage" they think they have is actually nothing that actually helps the Palestinians given what their non vote means for the Palestinians. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:979822014] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>pikakaeru posted... </cite><quote>No one wants that.</quote>Aside from the usual bad faith actors in this topic (they know who they are), there are genuine left leaning posters here who definitely want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. Not understanding the "leverage" they think they have is actually nothing that actually helps the Palestinians given what their non vote means for the Palestinians.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 04/09/24 2:23:14 PM #144:	BearlyWilling posted... Start at the local/state level and maybe not in a race that is 100% going to be a Biden vs Trump repeat. If you have democrat reps in the house/senate that do not represent the will of the people, vote them out with democrats that DO represent the will of the people. If we start voting people out in those elections, you have a far better chance, at least IMO, to leverage tactics like this ahead of a presidential raceso long as you do it early enough, anyway. Just my $.02. The person you quoted is right though: threatening to abstain at a time when the opposition is a fascist dictator is not a good look. It's been asked a million times and I've seen no response: what should these people who care about stopping a genocide do instead. They're not even saying they refuse to vote or vote for Biden, they're simply practicing politics by saying their votes are contingent. The same thing that millions of suburban voters, independents, moderates, and centrists do all the time. But when it's over a genocide, people reject literally every option that might even possibly have the required influence. I'm forced to conclude that people simply want those who think a genocide is happening to swallow their tongues and vote Biden without fail. That often seems to be the answer people have towards the left, towards the young, towards anyone who doesn't see establishment Democrats as the epitome of politics done right. Just shut up and give us your support and be happy it isn't worse, don't advocate for anything different, don't make any arguments that make us uncomfortable, don't use anything other than approved tactics, don't do anything to rock the boat. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:979822042] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>BearlyWilling posted... </cite><quote>Start at the local/state level and maybe not in a race that is 100% going to be a Biden vs Trump repeat. If you have democrat reps in the house/senate that do not represent the will of the people, vote them out with democrats that DO represent the will of the people. If we start voting people out in those elections, you have a far better chance, at least IMO, to leverage tactics like this ahead of a presidential raceso long as you do it early enough, anyway. Just my $.02. The person you quoted is right though: threatening to abstain at a time when the opposition is a fascist dictator is not a good look.</quote>It's been asked a million times and I've seen no response: what should these people who care about stopping a genocide do instead. They're not even saying they refuse to vote or vote for Biden, they're simply practicing politics by saying their votes are contingent. The same thing that millions of suburban voters, independents, moderates, and centrists do all the time. But when it's over a genocide, people reject literally every option that might even possibly have the required influence. I'm forced to conclude that people simply want those who think a genocide is happening to swallow their tongues and vote Biden without fail. That often seems to be the answer people have towards the left, towards the young, towards anyone who doesn't see establishment Democrats as the epitome of politics done right. Just shut up and give us your support and be happy it isn't worse, don't advocate for anything different, don't make any arguments that make us uncomfortable, don't use anything other than approved tactics, don't do anything to rock the boat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 04/09/24 2:25:07 PM #145:	legendary_zell posted... They're not even saying they refuse to vote or vote for Biden There are people saying that though. I dont know why you don't see this. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:979822079] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>They're not even saying they refuse to vote or vote for Biden</quote>There are people saying that though. I dont know why you don't see this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 04/09/24 2:25:57 PM #147:	LightningThief posted... Aside from the usual bad faith actors in this topic (they know who they are), there are genuine left leaning posters here who definitely want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. Not understanding the "leverage" they think they have is actually nothing that actually helps the Palestinians given what their non vote means for the Palestinians. You especially. You tell me what they should do instead? You're making wild bad faith accusations and dodging the central questions. You're accusing people who hate Trump with a passion and see him as a result of the failure of neoliberal politics as usual of wanting him to win, when we'll be first on the chopping block if that actually happens. So you better have a solution for us since you understand politics just so well. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:979822100] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>Aside from the usual bad faith actors in this topic (they know who they are), there are genuine left leaning posters here who definitely want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. Not understanding the "leverage" they think they have is actually nothing that actually helps the Palestinians given what their non vote means for the Palestinians.</quote>You especially. You tell me what they should do instead? You're making wild bad faith accusations and dodging the central questions. You're accusing people who hate Trump with a passion and see him as a result of the failure of neoliberal politics as usual of wanting him to win, when we'll be first on the chopping block if that actually happens. So you better have a solution for us since you understand politics just so well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yazarogi 04/09/24 2:28:04 PM #148:	zell legit wants trump to win the presidency and wants Palestine leveled --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker <cite>Yazarogi posted [p:979822143] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>zell legit wants trump to win the presidency and wants Palestine leveled </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 04/09/24 2:28:16 PM #149:	Ive repeated this so many times at this point. Nobody cares about criticizing Biden about Israel. Its only when people start questioning if theyll vote for him that gets people up in arms. --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979822147] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Ive repeated this so many times at this point. Nobody cares about criticizing Biden about Israel. Its only when people start questioning if theyll vote for him that gets people up in arms. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 04/09/24 2:28:27 PM #150:	Shadow_Don posted... There are people saying that though. I dont know why you don't see this. Will you answer the question? What should they do? Why are you deflecting to hypothetical other people when the people this topic are about are explicitly disclaiming that intent or message? Who said I didn't see it? I've acknowledged in every topic on this subject that there's a group who are so disgusted by Biden's actions that they can't bring themselves to vote for him. I disagree with them for purely practical reasons. But those people aren't the subject of this topic. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:979822151] in Black GA v... [t:80742982]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>There are people saying that though. I dont know why you don't see this.</quote>Will you answer the question? What should they do? Why are you deflecting to hypothetical other people when the people this topic are about are explicitly disclaiming that intent or message? Who said I didn't see it? I've acknowledged in every topic on this subject that there's a group who are so disgusted by Biden's actions that they can't bring themselves to vote for him. I disagree with them for purely practical reasons. But those people aren't the subject of this topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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