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wackyteen
04/07/24 12:10:01 PM
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https://en.as.com/mlb/kids-needing-tommy-john-surgery-exposes-the-failings-in-our-youth-baseball-culture-n/


But there is a worrying trend in baseball these days. While both Koufax and John, and a host of pitchers before them, were in the middle of professional careers, both over 30 years old, more and more these days, the surgery to repair blown out arms is being performed on children.
According to a study by Chicagos Rush University Medical Center, the biggest age group needing Tommy John surgery in the country is between 15 and 19 years old. Kids whose arms have not yet fully developed now account for 57% of all surgeries nationwide.
The son of the pitcher whose name graces the procedure, Dr. Tommy John, now practices sports chiropractic medicine in San Diego. Im seeing an injury rise in young athletes and its getting younger and younger and more severe. This most absolutely is a national problem, and its something thats bigger than one sport. In the past, we were dealing with common youth injuries, like broken bones and bruises, but now were seeing pediatric ACL reconstructions, concussions, Tommy John surgeries and stress fractures in spines. Quite simply, kids are being pushed beyond their limit.
What is causing this rise in Tommy John surgery?
As in any situation where surgery is on the rise, there are several overlapping factors, but the principal one seems to be the rise in year-round training.
With the stratospheric rise in sports salaries and MLB salaries in specific, parents and coaches find the temptation to try and find the next prodigy too great to ignore. But lets not lay the blame all at the parents feet. Often they are given advice by coaches and trainers who see these kids as cash cows, funnelling more and more kids into their multi-billion dollar industry for nothing more than quick profit. Children as young as eight are being encouraged; and I only say that so as not to say coerced or forced; to play baseball all year.
Summer leagues used to be a short wind-down from prep baseball, lasting two months at most. Kids were encouraged to play all sports; baseball in summer, but then football and basketball in the winter, plus tennis, golf, swimming, and in fact any other athletic endeavor on offer.
No longer.
With the rise of travel ball and winter ball leagues since the 1990s, young kids are carrying a workload that leads them to have the worn out arms of ten-year MLB veterans by the time they hit their mid teens.
Tommy John, the former MLB southpaw, who managed to come back after his surgery to pitch even better than before says, This is about more than just baseball and elbows. Its about the way we are raising our children. The nations youth-sports industry is a $15 billion business. And more and more, that business pushes children to make decisions early about which sport they want to play, and then to pursue that sport to the exclusion of all others. And kids bodies are paying the price.
The quest for speed
So you want to work on your kids pitching? With ample rest and within the bounds of safety, still you want to train that young arm the best way? Stop looking at how fast they throw.
The incessant focus on speed and speed alone is not only damagingly myopic in a baseball sense, it is dangerous and adds to the stress on young, underdeveloped arms.
The best thing to focus on is control. Pinpoint accuracy. Once they become masters of control, and their arms are intact, a good college or minor league pitching coach can squeeze the best out of them. But for now, 85mph with good movement is better than a 95mph four seamer with no ride.
One of the greatest ever, Greg Maddux, once said that when he found that he was losing control, he slowed down. Not just the process, but the pitches themselves. He worked on control, control, and then more control.
Lets be brutally realistic. If your twelve-year-old cant throw a strike, another five mph wont help. And if he can throw strikes, teams will use him, scouts will love him, and best of all? His arm wont fall off.
So what can you do right now? First of all, stop playing baseball all year. Take a break. Play basketball, or soccer, or swim, or skateboard, or whatever else your kid likes to do.
And then, when you go back to baseball, just focus on strikes. Try to hit a spot at the top of the zone, the bottom of the zone, inside, outside. All two seamers, all control.
And if your coach tells you that that your kid needs to play more baseball? Get another coach.

So many people forget that their kids and teens are still growing, their bodies aren't fully developed, but they're demanding adult-physique level outputs from them all the time.

It's not wonder injuries are piling up in major sports at all levels.

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Smashingpmkns
04/07/24 12:19:14 PM
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I dont know shit about baseball but I grew up in adjacent circles as Bryce Harper and from what I've heard the shit they put that kid through growing up was straight up child abuse. Dunno if he ever had this injury tho.

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chrono625
04/07/24 12:23:35 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I dont know shit about baseball but I grew up in adjacent circles as Bryce Harper and from what I've heard the shit they put that kid through growing up was straight up child abuse. Dunno if he ever had this injury tho.

Bryce Harper seems to be doing just fine now

anyway, this has been a argument for a long time now. The amount of baseball and camps parents are willing to put their kids through for a microcosm chance they can even make a D1 program is absurd.

there is zero reason a 12 year old needs to be throwing splitters, curves and sliders while pushing their arm against its limits.

also, as mentioned, baseball is now an all year sport. Spring, fall, summer, travel, indoor. It doesnt end. Its a job for these kids.

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Bio1590
04/07/24 12:30:14 PM
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And yet all the "purists" want to blame the pitch clock

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ThePieReborn
04/07/24 12:31:56 PM
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Don't forget the rotator cuff tears.

Modern day athletic training/conditioning for kids/teenagers is god damn brutal in its expectations and impacts.

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Gritty
04/07/24 12:32:46 PM
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Americans are so hyper capitalist they see their children only as assets to be leveraged
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SiO4
04/07/24 12:47:12 PM
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Gritty posted...
Americans are so hyper capitalist they see their children only as assets to be leveraged

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GeneralKenobi85
04/07/24 12:48:49 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I dont know shit about baseball but I grew up in adjacent circles as Bryce Harper and from what I've heard the shit they put that kid through growing up was straight up child abuse. Dunno if he ever had this injury tho.
He also had Tommy John surgery a couple years ago. And now his time as an outfielder is pretty much over and he will likely spend the rest of his career playing 1B or DH. But he's already got his massive payday and isn't a pitcher anyway, so he's fine. Most of the kids who are playing baseball even a fraction as rigorously as Harper did are never going to have professional success.

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wackyteen
04/07/24 12:50:34 PM
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Gritty posted...
Americans are so hyper capitalist they see their children only as assets to be leveraged
hate to break it to you but the most common reason in history to have children was so you could have more hands on the farm

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Full_Pokedex
04/07/24 6:56:16 PM
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I didn't have to worry because I didn't do any sports as a kid.

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divot1338
04/07/24 7:05:59 PM
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Pitching is hard on a kids arm. I couldnt do it and my father never got over it.

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divot1338
04/07/24 7:06:53 PM
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wackyteen posted...
hate to break it to you but the most common reason in history to have children was so you could have more hands on the farm
My mother was 16 of the 17 kids that survived childbirth. Cotton farm.

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Bio1590
04/07/24 7:08:04 PM
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wackyteen posted...
hate to break it to you but the most common reason in history to have children was so you could have more hands on the farm

I mean that's a little different than spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to try and force your kid into becoming a sports phenom.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/07/24 7:13:42 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
I mean that's a little different than spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to try and force your kid into becoming a sports phenom.
For a lot of families their kid getting a good scholarship is the only way theyre going to a good college.

Kids are also very competitive and want to be the best too. Im not saying that we should force kids to throw their arms off, but this is just the reality of becoming a top tier athlete in the modern day.


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ssb_yunglink2
04/07/24 7:15:05 PM
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Gritty posted...
Americans are so hyper capitalist they see their children only as assets to be leveraged
Pushing your body to the limit from a young age is also absolutely not solely an american thing

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thronedfire2
04/07/24 7:20:18 PM
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I played baseball when I was a kid and you were always taught to throw as hard as possible as long as you can control it.

my right shoulder has been fucked up since I was 16

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ssb_yunglink2
04/07/24 7:21:22 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I played baseball when I was a kid and you were always taught to throw as hard as possible as long as you can control it.

my right shoulder has been fucked up since I was 16
Tennis is also particularly bad with shoulder injuries. I played tennis from about 8 until the end of college and my right knee and shoulder are done

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ForsakenHermit
04/07/24 7:23:56 PM
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So the decline in multi sport athletes is causing more injuries to teenage pitchers?

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/07/24 7:24:10 PM
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Too much competition. If you wanna be a pro, you have to shine in college. If you wanna play in college, you have to shine in high school. If you wanna play in high school, you have to shine in middle school. Allllllll the way down to tee-ball.

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gp1829
04/07/24 7:37:14 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
So the decline in multi sport athletes is causing more injuries to teenage pitchers?
Yeah because they throw all year now.

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ForsakenHermit
04/07/24 7:39:23 PM
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gp1829 posted...
Yeah because they throw all year now.
Don't college and professional pitchers rest their arms in the off-season?

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tremain07
04/07/24 7:45:39 PM
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Gritty posted...
Americans are so hyper capitalist they see their children only as assets to be leveraged
This, not just our children either, everyone who doesn't have a six figure bank account should be working extremely hard for little to no compensation and those who don't or scoff at such an idea are billed as lazy, entitled, bringing everyone else down, holding back this country, ect. In fact, when people say they're barely scrapping by or that prices are out of control they're called whiners told to get a second or third job and to manage their money better, anything but tax the billionaires who cheat on their taxes, anything but fund government programs that could actually gain resources to go after corporations who kill people at a whim and regularly abuse it's employees in various ways. Anything but that

America is a great wonderful country if you're a billionaire if you're anything else you are an expendable cog who exists to work to enrich those above you and should be happy for the privlage to do so so says our government. Stay extra late, come extra early, take some work home with offer to work free overtime, offer to wash the bosses car or anything to be a loyal employee who takes pride in their work!

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hockeybabe89
04/07/24 7:47:27 PM
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But the pitch clock tho

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gp1829
04/07/24 7:50:39 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
Don't college and professional pitchers rest their arms in the off-season?

Yeah but the younger players play year round and don't rest.
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Alteres
04/07/24 7:56:44 PM
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When I had to get my hips replaced, one of the doctors I checked out was a specialist in sports medicine that replaced knees and hips for people in their teens and 20s.

The vast majority from football injuries, and some runners.

I was shocked that this even existed, let alone that he had enough patients for a very nice practice and a very busy schedule.

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Bio1590
04/07/24 9:46:55 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
For a lot of families their kid getting a good scholarship is the only way theyre going to a good college.

Kids are also very competitive and want to be the best too. Im not saying that we should force kids to throw their arms off, but this is just the reality of becoming a top tier athlete in the modern day.

We're not talking about the same thing.

The families that are trying to turn their kid(s) into a sports phenom from a young age do not need their kids to get a "good scholarship" to go to a "good college". They can afford it, just like they can afford sending their kid(s) to all these camps and tournaments across the country year-round.

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scorpion41
04/07/24 9:51:16 PM
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The problem is the idiot parents trying to get kids maximum exposure so they pay professional coaches to train and play them year round in showcases and tournaments. Its a complete shit show.

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thronedfire2
04/07/24 9:59:07 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
We're not talking about the same thing.

The families that are trying to turn their kid(s) into a sports phenom from a young age do not need their kids to get a "good scholarship" to go to a "good college". They can afford it, just like they can afford sending their kid(s) to all these camps and tournaments across the country year-round.

especially since baseball is more about practice too. it's much less common for people to get scholarships just based on raw talent like for football or BBall

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StealThisSheen
04/07/24 10:11:57 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Tennis is also particularly bad with shoulder injuries.

I fucked up both my knee and my shoulder, playing tennis, before I even actually made it to college. I lucked out in that I suffered an injury in my senior year after I had already accepted a scholarship, and my college decided to honor the scholarship, anyway, even though I could barely play.

Granted, this was likely because my college was Kent State, who have barely ever been a major competing college in... Any sport, so they allowed the athletic director to actually be a good person.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/07/24 10:15:37 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I fucked up both my knee and my shoulder, playing tennis, before I even actually made it to college. I lucked out in that I suffered an injury in my senior year after I had already accepted a scholarship, and my college decided to honor the scholarship, anyway, even though I could barely play.

Granted, this was likely because my college was Kent State, who have barely ever been a major competing college in... Any sport, so they allowed the athletic director to actually be a good person.
Yeah tennis is brutal on the body. Crazy how the pros will have hip and knee replacements and then just keep playing for several years

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thronedfire2
04/07/24 10:18:19 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Yeah tennis is brutal on the body. Crazy how the pros will have hip and knee replacements and then just keep playing for several years

Glad your school let you keep the scholarship tho

hip replacements are some amazing technology

my had has had both hips replaced and still golfs at 62

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StealThisSheen
04/07/24 10:53:22 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Yeah tennis is brutal on the body. Crazy how the pros will have hip and knee replacements and then just keep playing for several years

Glad your school let you keep the scholarship tho

Yeah, I didn't expect them to at all. I actually met with the athletic director at the time, figuring I'd tell them about my injury, then request information on other potential academic scholarship possibilities. Instead, he basically went "Can you play?" And I was like "I mean, yeah, relatively speaking." And he went "See you in the fall, welcome to Kent State."

I'll never forget it, honestly.

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Sir_Will
04/07/24 11:16:42 PM
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This is horrible....

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Aloc
04/07/24 11:23:13 PM
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So is basketball the American sport with least injuries?

As in with a major league.

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divot1338
04/08/24 6:24:35 AM
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Aloc posted...
So is basketball the American sport with least injuries?

As in with a major league.
Theres a lot of the freakishly tall people who havent got the musculature to be playing in the NBA. Also foot problems are ubiquitous.

My guess is baseball though.

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04/08/24 6:30:10 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/aea0c7fc.jpg

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pinky0926
04/08/24 6:36:00 AM
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As a professional armchair surgeon I have deduced that the way those guys throw a ball looks fuckin weird in slow mo and intuitively can't be good for your body

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Aloc
04/08/24 6:53:54 AM
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divot1338 posted...
Theres a lot of the freakishly tall people who havent got the musculature to be playing in the NBA. Also foot problems are ubiquitous.

My guess is baseball though.
Those freakishly tall people are the rarities.


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deoxxys
04/08/24 6:55:30 AM
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Trying that ball as hard as you can thousands of times for years is a great way to wear down your cartilage and...*shudders*


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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC
04/08/24 7:06:40 AM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Tennis is also particularly bad with shoulder injuries. I played tennis from about 8 until the end of college and my right knee and shoulder are done
I once read a book where the writer said this: "I played tennis every day for the next twenty-four years until I woke up one morning and couldn't brush my teeth with my right hand because of the pain in my elbow and wrist, put there by the fact I had played tennis every day for the last twenty-four years." ^_^

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ninjaman44
04/08/24 6:05:20 PM
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Yeah it's now expected of every pitcher to consistently throw over 90mph. It's an extremely unhealthy standard, to the point where tearing your UCL is pretty much guaranteed to happen, and any time a young pitcher comes up who hasn't gotten Tommy John surgery, everyone's just waiting for the inevitable injury and hoping it happens sooner rather than later.
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Sir_Will
04/08/24 11:47:19 PM
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ninjaman44 posted...
Yeah it's now expected of every pitcher to consistently throw over 90mph. It's an extremely unhealthy standard, to the point where tearing your UCL is pretty much guaranteed to happen, and any time a young pitcher comes up who hasn't gotten Tommy John surgery, everyone's just waiting for the inevitable injury and hoping it happens sooner rather than later.
That is horrific.

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