Board 8 > What four games are on the PS2 Mount Rushmore?

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FFDragon
04/05/24 8:38:36 PM
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Silent Hill 2
Metal Gear Solid 2
Spiderman 2
Final Fantasy X-2

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LightningStrikes
04/05/24 8:38:55 PM
#51:


The counter to God of War is the fact they had to release a God of War game in 2018 that was a total rebuttal to the earlier games because they aged badly and everybody got sick of them.

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Lopen
04/05/24 8:39:59 PM
#52:


I think Kratos is the Sony icon mostly through consistency and longevity and I don't really think God of War 1 deserves any particular note for it. I'd probably put it on a PS4 Rushmore.

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KamikazePotato
04/05/24 8:40:17 PM
#53:


LightningStrikes posted...
The counter to God of War is the fact they had to release a God of War game in 2018 that was a total rebuttal to the earlier games because they aged badly and everybody got sick of them.
idk I think most of the people that liked the old God of Wars still do. Just as a different sort of experience than 2018 GoW.

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KCF0107
04/05/24 8:40:29 PM
#54:


God of War
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto III
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec

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NFUN
04/05/24 8:41:40 PM
#55:


Hbthebattle posted...
yeah but they're still doing it 20 years later, "Rift Apart" is very obviously referring to an asshole and I shouldn't need to explain "Full Frontal Assault"
it's "ripped a fart"...

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ZenOfThunder
04/05/24 8:42:58 PM
#56:


also going to vote Silent Hill 2

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Dedf1sh
04/05/24 8:44:40 PM
#57:


I feel like I want to nom Katamari Damacy for being an exclusive that strongly contrasts all of the other games suggested here.

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UF8
04/05/24 8:46:20 PM
#58:


i'd say all the classic GoWs are somewhere in the top 25 most significant releases on their respective consoles but not actually in contention overall. both main gran turismos overwhelmingly outsold both god of war ps2 games combined which is all that really needs to be said imo. even sands of time most likely outperformed them on ps2 alone
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junk_funk
04/05/24 8:51:22 PM
#59:


Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Final Fantasy X
Kingdom Hearts


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UF8
04/05/24 8:51:45 PM
#60:


ZenOfThunder posted...
page 2 and so far ZERO Eye Toy support!!!
i'll be honest i would've included a Buzz game if i felt anybody else in the topic even knew what they were since that was the most PAL-only trend ever in gaming tbh
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Mythiot
04/05/24 8:52:22 PM
#61:


Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Silent Hill 2
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KamikazePotato
04/05/24 8:53:54 PM
#62:


UF8 posted...
both main gran turismos overwhelmingly outsold both god of war ps2 games combined which is all that really needs to be said imo.
Gran Turismo 3 alone outsold MGS2/3 combined, Kingdom Hearts 1/2 combined, and FFX/XII combined.

UF8 posted...
even sands of time most likely outperformed them on ps2 alone
Not even close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_2_video_games

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Ifrit
04/05/24 8:54:55 PM
#63:


Final Fantasy X
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Devil May Cry
Metal Gear Solid 2

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UF8
04/05/24 8:57:57 PM
#64:


KamikazePotato posted...
Not even close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_2_video_games
sands of time has reportedly sold over 14 mil units and it's very obviously known that the ps2 sales of the time outperformed the other platforms. It just did really fucking bad in america so wikipedia editors don't know shit lol
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Hbthebattle
04/05/24 8:58:10 PM
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I remember the 360/PS3 era where it felt like everyone was making their own God of War and other franchises were turning into God of War (Castlevania Lords of Shadow comes to mind). The series has a lot of influence.

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KamikazePotato
04/05/24 9:01:09 PM
#66:


There is absolutely no way Sands of Time sold 14 million units, let alone 14 million on the PS2.

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Ifrit
04/05/24 9:01:13 PM
#67:


GOW took its own influences from DMC (and Onimusha. But who remembers Onimusha? You should but admit it, you probably don't)

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KamikazePotato
04/05/24 9:03:50 PM
#68:


What I'm finding is that the Prince of Persia trilogy sold 14 million over a period of time, including rereleases. That's believable.

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DomaDragoon
04/05/24 9:08:08 PM
#69:


  • Gran Turismo 3: A-spec
  • Kingdom Hearts
  • Ratchet and Clank
  • God of War



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Hbthebattle
04/05/24 9:08:55 PM
#70:


UF8 posted...
sands of time has reportedly sold over 14 mil units and it's very obviously known that the ps2 sales of the time outperformed the other platforms. There's a reason it got a Disney film adaptation. It just did really fucking bad in america so wikipedia editors don't know shit lol
That 14 million figure comes from Wikipedia, which links to an IGN page without sources of its own, though.

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ZenOfThunder
04/05/24 9:09:43 PM
#71:


Katamari Damacy
Silent Hill 2

done

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colliding
04/05/24 9:09:57 PM
#72:


Kingdom Hearts
Grand Theft Auto 3
Metal Gear Solid 2
God of War

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ctesjbuvf
04/05/24 9:11:54 PM
#73:


Grand Theft Auto III
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2
God of War

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KokoroAkechi
04/05/24 9:11:57 PM
#74:


Grand Theft Auto 3
Final Fantasy X
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
God of War

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Leonhart4
04/05/24 9:13:36 PM
#75:


Leonhart4 posted...
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
God of War

Drop GoW

Add Gran Turismo 3

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Dudunsparce
04/05/24 9:18:01 PM
#76:


God Of War
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Shadow of the Colossus
Metal Gear Solid 3

Fuck sales this just feels right

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AbsolutelyNoOne
04/05/24 9:24:53 PM
#77:


i can't believe I forgot Silent Hill 2 in that big clusterfuck of HMs. if we made a second PS2 rushmore I might put that on it. this console is unbelievable.

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Honko
04/05/24 9:36:42 PM
#79:


Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2
Grand Theft Auto 3
Twisted Metal: Black

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UF8
04/05/24 9:38:00 PM
#80:


KamikazePotato posted...
What I'm finding is that the Prince of Persia trilogy sold 14 million over a period of time, including rereleases. That's believable.
i'll put you through the other numbers since you don't believe me. It had sold over 2 mil copies 2 months past release. At the time, north american numbers were accounting for about 25-30% of that (and the ps2 numbers half of that), and the rest pretty much only came from the PAL releases, which, since they hadn't put out the Xbox or GCN versions yet, were only for the GBA/PS2/PC releases (and frankly i haven't actually seen a gba copy before so i don't think that factored for much). The following month it was stated that europe was over half of that. By 2006, the US sales for the ps2 version had reached over three times the previous figure, around 700k. It's pretty safe to say that the other releases, including the pal ones, followed similar trends, and more than likely the xbox/gc versions also sold pretty well in europe too

the only standalone rerelease after that (at least before the 14 million figure was cited) was as a ps2 classic on the ps store, which you could choose to not count or you could. Given that it was a few months after the movie, it probably did pretty well at the time too, though numbers on it specifically weren't provided. It was 2014 where the over 14 million figure was cited, and it is true that could also be factoring in the trilogy/triple pack/hd trilogy sales... though to be fair just off what we already know it's more or less to be expected that it had somewhere around 700k-1m in NA and over double that in europe at a bare minimum for the ps2 version. but yeah, I'd have estimated that europe was contributing about 3 to 4 million to those numbers on ps2, NA as reported at least 700k, and other regions... an amount. That's what i based my guess that it had likely outsold them on, it's probably in the same ballpark as them...
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Yesmar_
04/05/24 9:40:19 PM
#81:


Grand Theft Auto III
Final Fantasy X
Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec
God of War

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WavedFan
04/05/24 9:42:36 PM
#82:


Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Kingdom Hearts 2
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
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XIII_Rocks
04/05/24 9:43:23 PM
#83:


MGS2
FFX
GTA 3
Silent Hill 2

I could delve into this more but I might end up at the same conclusion. There's potentially 10 games that could be on this thing.

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Yesmar_
04/05/24 9:44:16 PM
#84:


I don't think there's much debate for which GTA game gets the spot unless you're voting for multiple games. GTA III's release is one of the biggest turning points in gaming.

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XIII_Rocks
04/05/24 9:45:56 PM
#85:


Yesmar_ posted...
I don't think there's much debate for which GTA game gets the spot unless you're voting for multiple games. GTA III's release is one of the biggest turning points in gaming.

Yeah I want to go with SA but it'd be pointless now and the arguments for 3 make a lot of sense

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LeonhartFour
04/05/24 9:58:54 PM
#86:


Leonhart4 posted...
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
God of War

Drop San Andreas

Add GTA3

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AbsolutelyNoOne
04/05/24 10:02:12 PM
#87:


AbsolutelyNoOne posted...
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Metal Gear Solid 3
Final Fantasy X
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
also yeah, fuck it

Remove San Andreas
Add GTA3

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MZero
04/05/24 10:05:55 PM
#88:


Final Fantasy X
Dragon Quest VIII
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Metal Gear Solid 2

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StifledSilence
04/05/24 10:18:22 PM
#89:


Grand Theft Auto 3
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2
Kingdom Hearts

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UF8
04/05/24 10:23:08 PM
#90:


By the way, interesting sales note again, turns out Gran Turismo 4 was also a game that vastly outperformed expectations in Europe specifically. The reported figures on them all come from their website back in 2013 and apparently it sold less than half as many copies in NA compared to GT3, and also only two thirds as many in Japan, but it was also the best selling GT game ever in Europe (and it wouldn't really surprise me if that figure still stands tbh). Still, I guess that explains a lot of why every other vote is automatically going for 3 here. I perceived them as pretty close in relevance but as usual the demographics of the site just don't see it that way since I guess Forza hit its long-term sales way harder elsewhere...
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Fluttershy_Pony
04/05/24 10:27:25 PM
#91:


Grand Theft Auto 3
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2
Devil May Cry

I prefer MGS3, but I feel compelled to vote 2 for some unknown reason.

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chocoboslayer
04/05/24 10:43:52 PM
#92:


God of War
Final Fantasy X
Grand Theft Auto III
Kingdom Hearts

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Kinglicious
04/05/24 10:52:06 PM
#93:


Metal Gear Solid 2
Grand Theft Auto 3
Gran Turismo 3

Amusingly despite being such a stacked console those 3 feel like they have to be locks. All 3 made some revolutionary moments in gaming whether it's visuals, gameplay, storytelling, and mainstream value. Unsure for a 4th. Devil May Cry has the influence for creating a genre but not the longevity as a game; God of War has influence for a series but its breakout honestly is something for the PS4 reboot not here; RE4 is sooner thought about on the GameCube. Ultimately going with:

Final Fantasy X

It was a visual spectacule at the time in a way few games could do, it was popular enough to get a sequel in a series that never had them, and its lasting legacy as a game is still intact, considered one of the best RPGs of all time, on a system known for having some of the best RPGs. It's not FF7 but is probably 2nd to it in terms of blowing people away and maintaining high amount of love years later.

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MacArrowny
04/05/24 11:28:41 PM
#94:


KamikazePotato posted...
Gran Turismo 3 alone outsold MGS2/3 combined, Kingdom Hearts 1/2 combined, and FFX/XII combined.
https://www.gematsu.com/2022/07/ final-fantasy-x-series-shipments-and-digital-sales-top-20-8-million

FFX's pretty good, sales-wise.

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KamikazePotato
04/05/24 11:31:27 PM
#95:


MacArrowny posted...
https://www.gematsu.com/2022/07/ final-fantasy-x-series-shipments-and-digital-sales-top-20-8-million

FFX's pretty good, sales-wise.
That's FFX + FFX-2 + the HD collection. I was talking about just the PS2.

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slykirby
04/05/24 11:40:28 PM
#96:


Final Fantasy X
God of War
Jak and Daxter
Sly Cooper 2

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lordjers
04/05/24 11:51:10 PM
#97:


Final Fantasy X
GTA3
God of War
Shadow of the Colossus

Not a fan of the GTA franchise but can't deny its power.

God of War was already big before part 4, which just adapted to the new trend.

No 2P simultaneous game on the NES Rushmore feels wrong.

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04/06/24 12:00:29 AM
#98:


GTA3
Final Fantasy X
Katamari Damacy
Um... Metal Gear Solid 2 I guess (as much as I don't want to)

Despite how many copies Gran Turismo has sold, it still feels niche to me.

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VectorAgent
04/06/24 12:08:23 AM
#99:


Gran Turismo 3
God of War 2 (personally, 2 surpasses the original in every way and is still the best in the series)
MGS 3
Shadow of the Colossus

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Fiop
04/06/24 12:12:02 AM
#100:


Final Fantasy X
Kingdom Hearts
Metal Gear Solid 2
God of War

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