Current Events > Something about a Death in Amazing Spider-Man II. (spoilers)

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Gwens death could have been easily avoided. Her father warned Peter to stay away from his daughter, saying, Your life is dangerous, and it could get her killed. But Peter refused, confident in his ability to weave that amazing web. Then, during the final fight, Gwen joined him. She was just an ordinary person; why would she insert herself into the middle of a superhero battle? While I didnt want her to meet Gwens fate, this is the realistic outcome that would occur whenever a hero tells someone to stay put, and they insist on getting involved.

For instance, in one episode of Star Trek, the crew was about to visit a planet known for its rape gangs. The ships doctor insisted on going down there, despite Worfs advice to send someone else since she was the main doctor on the ship. Like that would not have had great outcome. But over and overpeople go to places that they shouldn't and either save the day or get out unharmed.

She thought she had plot armor, I guess

Her death hit me and my best friend hard when we saw it in theaters. Its so heartbreaking.

LonelyStoner posted...

Her death hit me and my best friend hard when we saw it in theaters. Its so heartbreaking.

Did you know about as a historical Spider-Man thing in the comics, before seeing the movie? Or was it totally a surprise?

the 2nd sony video game you're talking about that came out last year?

Smallville posted...

the 2nd sony video game you're talking about that came out last year?

The movie with the handsome Peter Parker

Smallville posted...

the 2nd sony video game you're talking about that came out last year?

Its the 2nd Andrew Garfield movie

Zikten posted...

Its the 2nd Andrew Garfield movie

weren't the garfield movies some of the worst? iirc i have those 2 on blu ray bundled with the raimi ones but never watched them. Looked bad.

Smallville posted...

weren't the garfield movies some of the worst? iirc i have those 2 on blu ray bundled with the raimi ones but never watched them. Looked bad.

Some elements of them were bad. But other things they got right. Like Garfield feels like a better Spider-Man than Toby Maguire. I would say Toby is a good Peter Parker and Andrew Garfield is a good Spider-Man. Also they are more comic accurate. Garfield Spider-Man doesn't have webs from his own body. He has to make them like in the comics

In the 2nd movie, main reason I like it is for covering the Death of Gwen, which is a very famous and heartbreaking story in the comics. And everything from her death to the ending is really good I think. Andrew Garfield does a really good job of portraying Peter Parker's grief. I wish they had made a 3rd movie to continue his post Gwen recovery process

do you own the 2 garfield ones? i own them and never watched. the garfield ones did like the worst at the box office

Smallville posted...

do you own the 2 garfield ones? i own them and never watched. the garfield ones did like the worst at the box office

Yea, I have them on bluray from a while back

cjsdowg posted...

The movie with the handsome Peter Parker

Zikten posted...

Its the 2nd Andrew Garfield movie

Which is it the movie with the handsome Peter Parker or the one with Andrew Garfield?

Zikten posted...

Yea, I have them on bluray from a while back

do you own all the maguire ones, holland ones? you must be a huge spiderman fan, of the ps video games.

ASM2 may not be objectively good, but it is overhated due to being the preferred target of every 2010s YouTube movie reviewer for some reason. It is, at the very least, way more fun than ASM1, which was a bore. The part where Electro and Goblin interrogate a guy by restarting his heart with electricity is awesome

Smallville posted...

do you own all the maguire ones, holland ones? you must be a huge spiderman fan, of the ps video games.

I have all the Maguire ones. And yea, Spider-Man is one of my favorite super heroes

Zikten posted...

I have all the Maguire ones. And yea, Spider-Man is one of my favorite super heroes

only really liked the maguire ones. They were good.

Doe posted...

ASM2 may not be objectively good, but it is overhated due to being the preferred target of every 2010s YouTube movie reviewer for some reason. It is, at the very least, way more fun than ASM1, which was a bore.

Yeah, I was surprised at how inoffensive it was after hearing all the hate. I definitely liked it more than the first one which was half a fun romantic comedy and half a really bad superhero movie.

Zikten posted...

Did you know about as a historical Spider-Man thing in the comics, before seeing the movie? Or was it totally a surprise?

I knew it was coming. Im a huge Spidey fan. Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone just had so much chemistry on camera, so it really sold the scene. It makes me especially sad that they arent still together off-set.

Were_Wyrm posted...

Which is it the movie with the handsome Peter Parker or the one with Andrew Garfield?

As a mostly heterosexual man, I can say Andrew Garfield is dreamy,

Doe posted...

ASM2 may not be objectively good, but it is overhated due to being the preferred target of every 2010s YouTube movie reviewer for some reason. It is, at the very least, way more fun than ASM1, which was a bore. The part where Electro and Goblin interrogate a guy by restarting his heart with electricity is awesome

I disagree. I loved seeing Garfield getting familiar with his powers, flirting with Gwen, and the Uncle Ben before/aftermath. Aunt May and Uncle Ben were stellar in the first ASM. The bridge scene with that kid trapped in the car was awesome. Especially the Im Spider-Man. line. There were way more iconic and believable moments in the ASM movies than anything weve gotten out of the MCU.

I just didn't like how Uncle Ben died. Like what the hell was he doing. He did everything wrong. And they guy robbed would not give him a penny from the jar that is there to help people get penny. Like I always side with Peter not helping the Jerks who get robbed.

Zikten posted...

Some elements of them were bad. But other things they got right. Like Garfield feels like a better Spider-Man than Toby Maguire. I would say Toby is a good Peter Parker and Andrew Garfield is a good Spider-Man. Also they are more comic accurate.

I think Andrew was a better Spider-Man and Peter Parker than Toby was. Toby Peter was more of a pushover. The AMS movies were more comic accurate to his character than the Raimi ones.

I don't read comics so I didn't know her death was supposed to be.

My issue with the death in the movie is, they made it so PG/PG-13 that the death scene made me think it was a fake out and they were going to hand wave it off as "She's concussed bad/will suffer memory loss" because it catches her at the last (split-)second.

Obviously that wasn't the case, especially given I know now that's how the death is in the comics, but in the immediate moment I was expecting more of a bait and switch than "Oh yeah she dead dead"

But it's a minor problem in that entire mess of a movie

DaxNovalis posted...

I think Andrew was a better Spider-Man and Peter Parker than Toby was. Toby Peter was more of a pushover. The AMS movies were more comic accurate to his character than the Raimi ones.

Peter is a push over a lot of the time. Expect when he gets mad , half the time blaming everyone else for this mistakes.

DaxNovalis posted...

I think Andrew was a better Spider-Man and Peter Parker than Toby was. Toby Peter was more of a pushover. The AMS movies were more comic accurate to his character than the Raimi ones.

yeah like maguire was like extremely non aggressive in his sm movies, right and you did not like that?

cjsdowg posted...

I just didn't like how Uncle Ben died. Like what the hell was he doing. He did everything wrong. And they guy robbed would not give him a penny from the jar that is there to help people get penny. Like I always side with Peter not helping the Jerks who get robbed.

is this in the maguire movie?

Smallville posted...

is this in the maguire movie?

That was in Amazing. In Toby, it was a wrestling promoter who ripped him off.

cjsdowg posted...

That was in Amazing. In Toby, it was a wrestling promoter who ripped him off.

in amazing, who does it though? i need to watch that one. This is not true to the comics, the toby one?

Smallville posted...

weren't the garfield movies some of the worst? iirc i have those 2 on blu ray bundled with the raimi ones but never watched them. Looked bad.

They were a hot mess overall, but they definitely had their moments. In this particular instance, the events leading up to Gwen's death were stupid and tacked-on (how the hell did a clock tower materialize in the middle of an electrical / industrial park?), but Gwen's death scene specifically was pretty well-done.

Andrew Garfield was all-around a good actor in the role, which is why people responded so positively to him showing up in the MCU's No Way Home; he deserved to star in better Spider-Man movies, and it was great that he finally got to be in one. Incidentally the single best moment in that spoiler-boxed movie only achieves its true poignance if you've already watched ASM2.

In the Comic he was conned by the wrestling promoted in the comic, and didn't help me when got robbed. And still with that one .I still say Peter did nothing wrong.

Smallville posted...

yeah like maguire was like extremely non aggressive in his sm movies, right and you did not like that?

I just thought he was too passive. In the comics, he would push back verbally against bullies like Flash if he had enough. He did have an argument that led to a boxing match with him in one early issue.

can you elaborate, he was conned by the promotion? he did nothing wrong, peter in that one, but in the maguire one he did? Put spoiler tags if you need to. Never read any comics, maybe you read lots. Guess youth these days read far lesser comics on avg...? maybe.

In Raimi Spider Man 1 The producer only gives Peter a fraction of the pay because his opponent was only standing in the ring for a fraction of the advertised time

In ASM1 a cashier refuses to let Peter use a penny from the "take a penny, leave a penny" to pay for his milk

Doe posted...

In Raimi Spider Man 1 The producer only gives Peter a fraction of the pay because his opponent was only standing in the ring for a fraction of the advertised time

In ASM1 a cashier refuses to let Peter use a penny from the "take a penny, leave a penny" to pay for his milk

oh that is true to how the comics were? wow, a cashier would do that, like even in real life? like real life evil right there for someone to do that. You were a huge spiderman comic reader?

Smallville posted...

oh that is true to how the comics were? wow, a cashier would do that, like even in real life? like real life evil right there for someone to do that. You were a huge spiderman comic reader?

In the comics, it wasn't about money at all. Peter just didn't care that the place was getting robbed as he thought he was above stopping a petty criminal.

A lot of you guys read comics? Never did

Gwen's death is always Spidey's fault.

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DrizztLink posted...

Gwen's death is always Spidey's fault.

I wonder if that would really happen. IT looks like she was facing down when he grabbed her. So would her neck of all things snap like that.

cjsdowg posted...

I wonder if that would really happen. IT looks like she was facing down when he grabbed her. So would her neck of all things snap like that.

Admittedly it works a bit better in live action, and comic artists aren't always the best at physics/anatomy/the intersection of the two.

DrizztLink posted...

Admittedly it works a bit better in live action, and comic artists aren't always the best at physics/anatomy/the intersection of the two.

It works too well lol, I can't watch her impact when I rewatch the movie.

cjsdowg posted...

It works too well lol, I can't watch her impact when I rewatch the movie.

Also it ties into other adaptations.

Spider-Gwen always has a dead Peter Parker as well, though he tried to become a superhero and accidentally Lizardmanned, so Gwen accidentally beat him to death without knowing it was him.