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Smallville
03/30/24 2:47:51 PM
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most realistically play in one of them, and be at least a semi effective player. Obv. i mean the men's pro leagues

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Zithers
03/30/24 2:51:07 PM
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NFL - kicker or punter
NBA - catch and shoot 3 specialist
MLB - glove/speed utility player but don't think there is any way she hits/pitches worth a damn
NHL - dunno anything about hockey but guessing this is going to be a tough one

feel like NBA is most realistic... ? caitlin clark can prob hit some 3s and pass well enough to be a decent bench player right.

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ironman2009
03/30/24 2:51:09 PM
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none of them.

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SoiledSnake
03/30/24 2:51:13 PM
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idk

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Phoro
03/30/24 2:51:56 PM
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I'm gonna say NHL.
I remember a female goalie playing for a team in the ECHL, and she was really good.

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SoiledSnake
03/30/24 2:52:16 PM
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Zithers posted...
NFL - kicker or punter
NBA - catch and shoot 3 specialist
MLB - glove/speed utility player but don't think there is any way she hits/pitches worth a damn
NHL - dunno anything about hockey but guessing this is going to be a tough one

feel like NBA is most realistic... ? caitlin clark can prob hit some 3s and pass well enough to be a decent bench player right.
is like caitlyn clark kinda overhyped? only read little about her. She will for sure be the best player in wnba very soon?

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SoiledSnake
03/30/24 2:52:50 PM
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Phoro posted...
I'm gonna say NHL.
I remember a female goalie playing for a team in the ECHL, and she was really good.
yeah goalie, makes sense. It helps if you're a large guy playing goalie right, easier to block....

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DragulaRULEZ
03/30/24 2:54:25 PM
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Kathy Ireland did it in Necessary Roughness...

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Tyranthraxus
03/30/24 2:55:54 PM
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NBA - bench player that gets subbed in late game to take fouls and shoot FTs

I think people saying kicker in NFL is really wishful thinking unless you wanted a dedicated kickoff kicker.

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Zithers
03/30/24 3:03:56 PM
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SoiledSnake posted...
is like caitlyn clark kinda overhyped? only read little about her. She will for sure be the best player in wnba very soon?

pretty sure she has or is close to every 3 point record in women's ncaa history... ?

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The_Popo
03/30/24 3:05:14 PM
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The level of athleticism is too great in just about any situation. The only way I could ever see it being remotely possible is an absolutely superb knuckleball pitcher in MLB.

Zithers posted...
NFL - kicker or punter

The accuracy would probably come from 35 yards and in, which most NFL kickers can do. With a lady kicker, you lost the ability to kick the really long ones.

Zithers posted...
NBA - catch and shoot 3 specialist

Youre giving up a ton of power and speed on defense. Your would basically be a 4-on-5 situation. And she likely wouldnt be able to do anything else on the offensive end (set effective screens, grab rebounds, etc). Youre just hoping shes left alone long enough to shoot.

Zithers posted...
MLB - glove/speed utility player but don't think there is any way she hits/pitches worth a damn

I dont think any woman can be faster than a current major leaguer. Even if she was very reliable with the glove, youre losing a lot of range. And as you said, the bat is going to be a glaring weakness.

Zithers posted...
NHL - dunno anything about hockey but guessing this is going to be a tough one

The athleticism gap is too great in hockey across the board. And the physical nature of the game would put her at a severe handicap.


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Ballinari
03/30/24 3:08:32 PM
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MLB- one of those soft throwing pitchers that relies on control over stuff. Something like an old Bartolo Colon

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Zithers
03/30/24 3:10:51 PM
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The_Popo posted...
I dont think any woman can be faster than a current major leaguer. Even if she was very reliable with the glove, youre losing a lot of range. And as you said, the bat is going to be a glaring weakness.

i think you are underestimating how slow some baseball players are... good defense also isn't just pure speed, you need to take good routes and have good instincts with tracking groundballs in the infield or flyballs in the outfield. lots of guys who grade out as poor baserunners are elite defenders and vice versa.

plus teams will roster guys in the playoffs specifically for speed/defense, especially for pinch running situations late in games. terrence gore for example.

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Holy_Cloud105
03/30/24 3:11:34 PM
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Ballinari posted...
MLB- one of those soft throwing pitchers that relies on control over stuff. Something like an old Bartolo Colon
Would get rocked after a few weeks of the league studying her. You need to either have insane control or be able to throw gas when needed if you're primarily an off speed pitcher now.

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Tyranthraxus
03/30/24 3:12:29 PM
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A woman would have to be like peak athlete just to be equal to a male D lister in the majors, and if I was that woman I'd rather dominate the womens' league.

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Srk700
03/30/24 3:16:57 PM
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MLB since it's the only one where the woman wouldn't have to worry about being hit or pushed around by some 250 lb guy. I mean, it still has moments of physical play, but that happens far less often than it does in the other 3 league, even the NBA.
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Ballinari
03/30/24 3:18:41 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Would get rocked after a few weeks of the league studying her. You need to either have insane control or be able to throw gas when needed if you're primarily an off speed pitcher now.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Would get rocked after a few weeks of the league studying her. You need to either have insane control or be able to throw gas when needed if you're primarily an off speed pitcher now.
You're not wrong but it's still a woman's best option imo.

And those first few weeks would be magical around the sports world tbh

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Zithers
03/30/24 3:23:45 PM
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Ballinari posted...
MLB- one of those soft throwing pitchers that relies on control over stuff. Something like an old Bartolo Colon

this isn't even a thing anymore really. the average fastball velo has grown like 5+mph over the last 15 years. if you throw 89mph you need ELITE elite, like super elite, command of all of your pitches. which is why there were like three (ryu, hendricks, someone else?) dudes throwing that slow last year who were any good.

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electricbugs2
03/30/24 3:23:58 PM
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Phoro posted...
I'm gonna say NHL.
I remember a female goalie playing for a team in the ECHL, and she was really good.
Youre most likely thinking of Shannon Szabados, and she played in the SPHL which is actually a level down from the ECHL. Her numbers there were just average, good save percentage, but over 3 goals against per game which would be unacceptable at the NHL level. And shes one of the best womans goalies ever.

Problem is how huge NHL goalies are nowadays. Flyers just signed a 68 goalie and Floridas backup goalie is 66. You cant teach size unfortunately so I just dont see it happening in our lifetime unless some physical freak picks hockey over something else.

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MabusIncarnate
03/30/24 3:28:12 PM
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The Tampa Lightning had a woman goalie in their system and I believe she played in a few preseason games. She went on to be a pretty legendary women's Olympic hockey goalie, Manon Rheaume is her name.

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FunWithAFryPan
03/30/24 3:29:22 PM
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Zithers posted...
pretty sure she has or is close to every 3 point record in women's ncaa history... ?
She isnt being guarded by NBA players.

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electricbugs2
03/30/24 3:32:21 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
The Tampa Lightning had a woman goalie in their system and I believe she played in a few preseason games. She went on to be a pretty legendary women's Olympic hockey goalie, Manon Rheaume is her name.
Rhaume was a publicity stunt for Tampa when they joined the league. Her playing well in the preseason is a nice story, but Phil Esposito admitted after the fact that she had no business in the NHL and was just signed to get butts in seats early on.

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Zithers
03/30/24 3:34:17 PM
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FunWithAFryPan posted...
She isnt being guarded by NBA players.

and... ? a lot of guys hit unguarded 3s. you can shoot a 3 from way behind the arc when a guy is waiting for you to come closer to him. not saying she is steph or dame but those guys do that all the time, and others are starting to do it more as well.

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TheDurinator
03/30/24 3:38:29 PM
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NHL goalie is the only one I can see being realistic. She would need to have serious lightning reflexes to make up for taking up less space in the net though.
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Compsognathus
03/30/24 3:38:35 PM
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I feel like a goalie in the NHL is the only remotely feasible of the bunch and even then her smaller size would still make it a very uphill battle.

But the raw strength and/or speed requirements, even from something like an NFL kicker, would make it exceedingly difficult to be competitive for a woman.

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cjsdowg
03/30/24 3:40:11 PM
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NFL punter and that is it. I Iove women's basketball i been talking about the USC ladies all year. But the best lady basketball player is no where close to the worst male player in the NBA . It's like when the White Mamba played pretty good average Joe's and blew them out of the water. Yeah that much of difference.

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Smallville
03/30/24 3:48:43 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
NFL punter and that is it. I Iove women's basketball i been talking about the USC ladies all year. But the best lady basketball player is no where close to the worst male player in the NBA . It's like when the White Mamba played pretty good average Joe's and blew them out of the water. Yeah that much of difference.
who is white mamba?

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electricbugs2
03/30/24 3:51:34 PM
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Smallville posted...
who is white mamba?
Brian Scalbrine

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cjsdowg
03/30/24 3:52:13 PM
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electricbugs2 posted...
Brian Scalbrine

Thanks I could not spell Scalbrine .

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Ballinari
03/30/24 3:53:05 PM
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Smallville posted...
who is white mamba?
Brian Scalabrine if I remember correctly. I think he was known to be a very bad NBA player. Only ever plays when the game is out of hand. This led regular people into thinking that they're better at basketball than he is.

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Smallville
03/30/24 3:56:21 PM
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Ballinari posted...
Brian Scalabrine if I remember correctly. I think he was known to be a very bad NBA player. Only ever plays when the game is out of hand. This led regular people into thinking that they're better at basketball than he is.
is this guy or was, kinda like mad dog mark madsen from the laker days? was that guy even better than scalabrine? both were nice guys and outgoing and good characters, good in their favor, made up for basketball ability.

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xlr_big-coop
03/30/24 4:20:41 PM
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ironman2009 posted...
none of them.


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The_Popo
03/30/24 4:26:24 PM
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Zithers posted...
i think you are underestimating how slow some baseball players are... good defense also isn't just pure speed, you need to take good routes and have good instincts with tracking groundballs in the infield or flyballs in the outfield. lots of guys who grade out as poor baserunners are elite defenders and vice versa.

It isnt pure speed, sure. Mark Grace had a very sure glove despite horrendous speed. He also hit .300 year after year. He needed to being something additional to the game if he was going to be afforded a spot at a power position, despite never hitting more than 17 HRs in a season.

And yes, late game defensive specialists are very much a thing. But those specialists are typically in the outfield (where speed is very much required) or 1B. I just cant imagine a woman being that good at fielding where a team would want to have her in a game, despite the other weaknesses that would come with her game.

Zithers posted...
plus teams will roster guys in the playoffs specifically for speed/defense, especially for pinch running situations late in games. terrence gore for example.

If a speed freak like Billy Hamilton cant get a job purely as a pinch runner this year, I dont see how any woman could.

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Zithers
03/30/24 4:41:03 PM
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The_Popo posted...
It isnt pure speed, sure. Mark Grace had a very sure glove despite horrendous speed. He also hit .300 year after year. He needed to being something additional to the game if he was going to be afforded a spot at a power position, despite never hitting more than 17 HRs in a season.

And yes, late game defensive specialists are very much a thing. But those specialists are typically in the outfield (where speed is very much required) or 1B. I just cant imagine a woman being that good at fielding where a team would want to have her in a game, despite the other weaknesses that would come with her game.

Zithers posted...

If a speed freak like Billy Hamilton cant get a job purely as a pinch runner this year, I dont see how any woman could.

yeah mark grace was good. but i'm pretty sure a theoretical athletic woman could run faster than mark grace if he got on base in the 9th inning in a tie game.

billy hamilton used to also be very good at defense, but he isn't anymore. probably cuz he's slowed down and why he is unemployed. and i did clarify glove/speed specialist not *just* speed. anyway aaron judge and nolan jones and juan soto and max kepler and joey gallo have recorded +5 OAA seasons in the outfield despite not being speedsters.

obviously she would be the very last spot on the roster for a playoff team but to be so adamant that it is completely out of the question is a bit lol

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SauI_Goodman
03/30/24 4:49:14 PM
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Brian scallabrine was the guy that only played in garbage time. I think even lebron said everyone who makes the league made it for good reason. Then some kid who is really good at street ball said he was better than scallobrine and challenged him. Scallobrine actually shows up and won like 10-1.

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SauI_Goodman
03/30/24 4:52:00 PM
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https://youtu.be/mfe4WN_xoHU?si=HssM7i2dD-DVD1ZA

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FunWithAFryPan
03/30/24 5:31:20 PM
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Zithers posted...
and... ? a lot of guys hit unguarded 3s. you can shoot a 3 from way behind the arc when a guy is waiting for you to come closer to him. not saying she is steph or dame but those guys do that all the time, and others are starting to do it more as well.
If you think she could hit even a single shot in the NBA then you are smoking the finest copium known to mankind. Womens college basketball is so different from the NBA they may as well be different sports.

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Kuuko
03/30/24 5:42:20 PM
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There are some sports where women are disproportionately represented at high levels. Mostly sports that are very high-endurance, which are necessarily also very high mental fortitude, like ultra marathon running and marathon swimming. But it's hard to think of something in the major 4 which are obviously more athleticism and explosive strength.

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Zithers
03/30/24 6:23:04 PM
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FunWithAFryPan posted...
If you think she could hit even a single shot in the NBA then you are smoking the finest copium known to mankind. Womens college basketball is so different from the NBA they may as well be different sports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj3ytJaqs2Y&ab_channel=MaxaMillion711

you don't think she could make a single one of these on infinite tries? wtf!

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ironman2009
03/30/24 6:27:12 PM
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1 for infinite isn't very efficient.

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K181
03/30/24 6:30:52 PM
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Basically none. Maybe you could have an argument for a women as an extremely limited use relief pitcher or as a chip shot field goal specialist, but the difference in strength and speed is gargantuan once you're in the absolute elite level.

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FunWithAFryPan
03/31/24 1:59:48 AM
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I think a woman that could perfect a knuckleball could conceivably pitch at some professional level with men. Thats about it.

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DragulaRULEZ
03/31/24 1:46:49 PM
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Are any Male/Female athletes close in ability? Isn't there mixed Shooting at the Olympics?

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Aloc
03/31/24 2:07:33 PM
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Zithers posted...
feel like NBA is most realistic
It's the least realistic.

NBA players are the physically rarest athletes of them all.

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SauI_Goodman
03/31/24 2:36:18 PM
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DragulaRULEZ posted...
Are any Male/Female athletes close in ability? Isn't there mixed Shooting at the Olympics?
Pool/bowling

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creativerealms
03/31/24 2:38:00 PM
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A couple women have been in NHL teams as goalies but they never played a game. If they made it to the team then hypothetically they were could enough to hold their own, if given a chance

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Zithers
03/31/24 3:30:39 PM
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Aloc posted...
It's the least realistic.

NBA players are the physically rarest athletes of them all.

yeah like mugsy bogues who played when the nba was a thousand times more physical

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BIueJay
03/31/24 3:57:10 PM
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I would guess a NFL kicker. NBA is way too athletic. The hand-eye coordination for a batter would be extreme. NHL is also too athletic, maybe a goalie?
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Pikachuchupika
03/31/24 4:03:53 PM
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Sabrina Ionescu competed in a 3-point shoot out during the All-star game with Steph Curry. She did good, too. In an actual game? Hard to say. The physicality is on a different level compared to the WNBA.
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Link_of_time
03/31/24 4:09:57 PM
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NBA. Cardio is the only direct issue that can't be overcome by selection here.
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