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UnfairRepresent
03/30/24 1:26:06 PM
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TotallyNotAGirl
03/30/24 1:26:23 PM
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USA USA

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/30/24 1:28:23 PM
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D. Never have been, never will be.

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UnfairRepresent
03/30/24 1:30:26 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
D. Never have been, never will be.

Not even during the Revolutionary War?

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LonelyStoner
03/30/24 1:31:38 PM
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lol fuck no

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K181
03/30/24 1:31:42 PM
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Overall, C

IShall_Run_Amok posted...
D. Never have been, never will be.

Got some 'splainin' to do regarding the Civil War and WWII at least there.

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Southernfatman
03/30/24 1:31:51 PM
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CADE_FOSTER
03/30/24 1:32:59 PM
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We act like it but the things we do show that we arent
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Charged151
03/30/24 1:33:47 PM
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K181 posted...
Overall, C


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Xenogears15
03/30/24 1:34:52 PM
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Not featured: the least bad option of the major powers

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LonelyStoner
03/30/24 1:37:18 PM
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K181 posted...
Overall, C

Got some 'splainin' to do regarding the Civil War and WWII at least there.
The Civil War was between the entire country.

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UnfairRepresent
03/30/24 1:41:08 PM
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LonelyStoner posted...
The Civil War was between the entire country.
Well sort of.

I mean it was between America and a faction who wanted to leave the country and start their own based on slavery

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Prismsblade
03/30/24 1:41:19 PM
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Its people are, the people running the country though? Not so much.

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UnholyMudcrab
03/30/24 1:41:51 PM
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The US haven't been the good guys since WWII

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DepreceV2
03/30/24 1:42:44 PM
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uwnim
03/30/24 1:44:26 PM
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For the most part, countries are amoral. Good guy countries arent really a thing.

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LonelyStoner
03/30/24 1:45:32 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Well sort of.

I mean it was between America and a faction who wanted to leave the country and start their own based on slavery
Exactly. That horrible faction is still part of the country.

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GeminiDeus
03/30/24 1:46:13 PM
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America was founded on genocide and preys on its own people even in modern times.

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SydnieStarlight
03/30/24 1:46:33 PM
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America, as it is and should it continue on its current trajectory, is identical to the corporate dystopia depicted in numerous near future fictional works. The powerful villainous organization you're trying to bring down in a wide swath of games across numerous genres? That's actually, literally what America is right now and for the foreseeable future.

D, America are the exact opposite of "the good guys".

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MrFingers07
03/30/24 1:47:21 PM
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Why does it have to be a confirm or deny kind of thing, why can't it be that they're sometimes the good guys and sometimes the bad guys?

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Unsuprised_Pika
03/30/24 1:48:17 PM
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Lol no.

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LonelyStoner
03/30/24 1:50:46 PM
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GeminiDeus posted...
America was founded on genocide and preys on its own people even in modern times.
This

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/30/24 1:51:13 PM
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K181 posted...
Got some 'splainin' to do regarding the Civil War and WWII at least there.
Easy peasy.

Civil War - We shouldn't have had slaves in the first place, we don't get credit for ending it, especially since ending slavery just resulted in a somewhat less vile apartheid state that has yet to be properly toppled.

World War II - The Soviets were the closest things to good guys. The USA entered late, risked the least, lost the least, and earned the most, establishing themselves as the greatest threat to the human race in the process.

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UnfairRepresent
03/30/24 1:51:23 PM
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MrFingers07 posted...
Why does it have to be a confirm or deny kind of thing, why can't it be that they're sometimes the good guys and sometimes the bad guys?
What are they right now?

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UnfairRepresent
03/30/24 1:51:52 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...


World War II - The Soviets were the closest things to good guys.
Wait what the fuck!?

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IAmTheNakedMan
03/30/24 1:54:22 PM
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As a European.

Well intentioned but so morally, societally and culturally flawed.

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Vicious_Dios
03/30/24 1:56:34 PM
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C.

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Chicken
03/30/24 1:58:28 PM
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There's a reason literally every single country in the world despises America and thinks they're a complete joke.

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CADE_FOSTER
03/30/24 1:58:31 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XFnDZZmNCY

I mean who could dispute our awesomeness
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Shadow_Don
03/30/24 1:59:14 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
World War II - The Soviets were the closest things to good guys.

Lmfao

I love you man.

Just want to remind everyone that we all support mental health treatment here.

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
03/30/24 2:00:53 PM
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At present, they are a lesser evil.

There are times in history where you can see them as the mostly good guys though.


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Shadow_Don
03/30/24 2:03:06 PM
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One of many many mass murders/rapes and war crimes of the red army in ww2

They literally slaughtered children at knife point and raped corpses. The kind of shit that would make G.R.R Martin puke.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gegenmiao_massacre

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/30/24 2:07:07 PM
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Shadow_Don posted...
Lmfao

I love you man.

Just want to remind everyone that we all support mental health treatment here.
Remember, the insults were his first course of action.

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Alucard188
03/30/24 2:07:34 PM
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C: It's complicated

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Shadow_Don
03/30/24 2:10:44 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Remember, the insults were his first course of action.

Remember, this dude defends ww2 red army but will only cry about people being mean to him when confronted

keep defending mass rapes and war crimes thats a good look for you bud

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UnfairRepresent
03/30/24 2:10:48 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Remember, the insults were his first course of action.
I mean it's kinda hard to give you the benefit of the doubt dude.

You really want to standby that Joseph Stalin was the cloest thing to the good guys at that time period?

The Soviets were so legendary cruel that even modern day dsytopian fiction is still based on them. The complete removal of rights, enormous death counts, torture, rape, starvation, secret police, kidnappings.

The best you can say is they reach the dizzing heights of "Arguably not being as bad as literal Nazis" and you can make a serious argument that this is due to circumstance not philosphy. Really as complex as human beings and governments can be, Stalin, Nazis and North Korea are pretty much as unambigiously bad as anything in modern history.

It's a strange take, you're going to get a confused or hostile reaction from anyone who has studied any 20th century history.

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UnholyMudcrab
03/30/24 2:11:00 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
World War II - The Soviets were the closest things to good guys. The USA entered late, risked the least, lost the least, and earned the most, establishing themselves as the greatest threat to the human race in the process.
Oh lord.

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/30/24 3:03:08 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I mean it's kinda hard to give you the benefit of the doubt dude.

You really want to standby that Joseph Stalin was the cloest thing to the good guys at that time period?
I said the Soviets, not Joseph Stalin. And yes, they were. They fought the hardest, and lost the most in doing so. Simple as. It's ultimately more complicated than just that, of course, but it WAS a simple question ("who were the good guys"), and the USA weren't the MVPs at all in the fight against the Axis Powers. That was the Soviets. If you have a different standard of 'the good guys' then you're stepping into murkier waters than I am, but those ("the ones who fought the Axis powers hardest") are the standards I answered by when I said "the closest thing".

The Soviets were so legendary cruel that even modern day dsytopian fiction is still based on them. The complete removal of rights, enormous death counts, torture, rape, starvation, secret police, kidnappings.
That doesn't really have much bearing on who was the good guys during World War II, and seems like more of a distraction than anything. As for the dystopic fiction thing, similarly irrelevant, but also absurd. Supposing if it turns out that more dystopic fiction is actually based on the United States or British Empire or the Kuomintang, is that supposed to turn the tide in my favor?

Really as complex as human beings and governments can be, Stalin, Nazis and North Korea are pretty much as unambigiously bad as anything in modern history.
North Korea? What? They weren't even in World War II.

It's a strange take, you're going to get a confused or hostile reaction from anyone who has studied any 20th century history.
There are plenty of people who'd agree with me, because they studied 20th century history, they just tend to not be Americans. And I don't really think there's any confusion in the replies, just hostility.

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DementedDurian
03/30/24 3:39:44 PM
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Familiarize yourself with Executive Order 9066.

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Trumble
03/30/24 4:07:13 PM
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Deny. They're far, FAR from the worst bad guy out they're, but they're still a bad guy.

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Trumble
03/30/24 4:09:13 PM
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Being against the Nazis doesn't automatically make them good guys. It is entirely possible - and is the case more often than not - for a war to be bad guys against even worse guys; and the US committed some pretty horrific acts against civilians in the course of that war so they cannot be considered good guys, only "not-nearly-as-bad guys". For that matter, the US didn't intervene because of an altruistic goal of stopping the evil Nazis; they did so only because the Nazis became a direct threat to them. Russia-Ukraine is the only conflict that comes to mind with a clear good guy (Ukraine). I'm sure there are others, but that's the only one to immediately come to mind.

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DementedDurian
03/30/24 4:10:45 PM
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Oops. Read that wrong. I thought you said America and totally made myself look like an ass.

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Frosted_Midna
03/30/24 4:11:37 PM
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