Board 8 > CYOF Mafia Day 2.2

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It wouldn't be Chris or Corrik because Lea shooting them would not be odd

Chris was your kill something you were given, or something intrinsic to yourself?

If intrinsic, is it something you are capable of doing again? Could you have killed someone night 1?

SirChris posted...

if its wallz + mzero they just kill you lol

If they think I can't convince anyone of Mzero with Lea dead I think they get the person who might be with me on Mzero

At this point I'm more willing to lynch either Sultan or Chris than MZero, but not because I consider it impossible for MZero to be scum. It isn't impossible, just feels unlikely.

Enchantress posted...

SirChris
2. Enchantress
3. UltimaterializerX
4. Obellisk - unvotable in some manner, very humorous
5. TheSultanOfSlam - Those who bend the knee are rewarded
6.
7. Wallmasterz - Wallz is totally tubular
8. BlueCrystalTear - Reactions to Lopen's fake scan
9. Forceful_Dragon
10. Lopen - Vibes, changing opinions in a way I can follow
11. Kirby321 - I like how honest he was about the plague
12.
13. Corrik
14.
15. Mzero - Promised a day cop scan

Chris, Ulti, FD, Corrik. Truly a murderer's row, best to ever play the sport I've heard. These are the ones I don't yet have a reason to not shoot. In Ulti's case I may have negative reasons to not shoot.

This is Lea's last post before I scanned Ulti. You think I saw a 1/4 chance Ulti gets shot and was like "screw it, bus our automatic win at MyLo"

Especially when she could have shot Corrik, who was on the list, or FD/Chris who are town in your scenario that scum is wallz and I

The fact that SBell had a full day of essentially seeming like a tree and is no longer a tree makes him more of an option than he was yesterday. A scum who can NEVER be lynched is not fair. A scum who can prevent themselves from being lynchable for a single day? That's an option.

And could definitely see it as Loki w/ Tessaract who just winked out of existence to stop himself from being arrested.

If mzero is scum

Sir Chris was a potential Lea shot
Sultan was a potential Lea shot (unlikely)
FD was a potential Lea shot
Corrik7 was a potential Lea shot

Mzero's scummate would have to be

Sbell or Wallz

Actually leaning sbell here not wallz now that I think about it. Wallz was actually trying to solve yesterday.

MZero posted...

You think I saw a 1/4 chance Ulti gets shot and was like "screw it, bus our automatic win at MyLo"

Calling it 1/4 is disingenuous. She said she didn't have a reason not to shoot the 4 of us, but had NEGATIVE reasons not to shoot ulti (ie, reasons TO shoot him). Assuming all 4 options were equally likely is not a valid interpretation.

If you look at Ulti's death list

Sbell + Mzero were on it. I personally feel his ideal list would have 2 scum 3 town on it. I still think Corrik being paired with Ulti is a never go because Ulti would bus him hard and get easy town points.

Ulti also drew attention to sbell not being able to be voted randomly, and was attempting to vote mzero day 1

##Vote: Sbell

If you don't want to vote mzero now this is your guy

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Calling it 1/4 is disingenuous. She said she didn't have a reason not to shoot the 4 of us, but had NEGATIVE reasons not to shoot ulti (ie, reasons TO shoot him). Assuming all 4 options were equally likely is not a valid interpretation.

well that's how I interpreted it so I don't know what to tell you

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Chris was your kill something you were given, or something intrinsic to yourself?

If intrinsic, is it something you are capable of doing again? Could you have killed someone night 1?

It is complicated.

I could not kill someone night one, but I did do something to try to help town.

Lopen posted...

I personally feel his ideal list would have 2 scum 3 town on it.

Well he didn't have a lot of options because nobody was playing his game.

Lopen posted...

Ulti also drew attention to sbell not being able to be voted randomly

That exchange might be worth another look, especially now that we know it was a temporary condition.

If you look at the difference between day 1 lynch and day 2 lynch, you get a clue about me.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Well he didn't have a lot of options because nobody was playing his game.

His game was optional. He could have named any list and thrown mine in the dumpster

I imagine my list fit his objectives fairly well so he used it

MZero posted...

well that's how I interpreted it so I don't know what to tell you

You can tell me you agree, and in hindsight the phrasing Lea used indicated Ulti was the MOST likely person of the 4 of us to be shot, because it did. He alone was singled out.

two dead is unexpected.

Chris when did you get a gun?

Knowing now how many bullets were flying around I'm glad I was safe.

Obellisk posted...

Chris when did you get a gun?

SirChris posted...

It is complicated.

I could not kill someone night one, but I did do something to try to help town.

ahah

Lopen posted...

If you look at Ulti's death list

Sbell + Mzero were on it. I personally feel his ideal list would have 2 scum 3 town on it. I still think Corrik being paired with Ulti is a never go because Ulti would bus him hard and get easy town points.

Ulti also drew attention to sbell not being able to be voted randomly, and was attempting to vote mzero day 1

why tf would he put two teammates on a list of players he needs dead lmao

you're just making stuff up to fit your narrative

SirChris posted...

If you look at the difference between day 1 lynch and day 2 lynch, you get a clue about me.

You voted 3x day 1 and only once day 2?
:shrug:

MZero posted...

why tf would he put two teammates on a list of players he needs dead lmao

you're just making stuff up to fit your narrative

I mean, he would do it so they could get lynched and he could say "see, the list is good! Let's lynch the rest of the list and claim our prize!" But I don't know if 'rule of 3' or 'rule of 5' applies the same way it normally might.

MZero posted...

why tf would he put two teammates on a list of players he needs dead lmao

He basically just autodies at lylo if there are no scum on his list.

4/15

4/10 = lylo/mylo so all town deaths needed to be on his list.

A mix works better as a hedge

Obellisk posted...

Knowing now how many bullets were flying around I'm glad I was safe.

Are you responsible for your own inability to vote or be voted day 2?

Did that carry over into the night phase as well?

iirc you can claim actions you've taken, just not your flavor or the specific name of your role

So the game has:
an inventor that can give a gun
a vig that can get a gun after day 1
(and supposedly mzero has a bunch more abilities that might be a kill? I'm still alive so it's hars to believe he's got a gun)

scum has confirmed:
a gambler kill as an extra kill
an instant win if ulti kills 5 people
and night kill

MZero you feel pretty defensive about something that really only Lopen is giving serious consideration to at the moment.

I've gone as far as to acknowledge it's a possibility, but relegated it as a low% one. But your defensiveness more than his persuasiveness has me reconsidering.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Bruh Lopen you haven't even voted.

Is MZero's ability actually real? Like you literally can't have votes counted? Am I correct in thinking people are calling him town anyway?

This is Ulti's first post meteor post basically

He goes right for Mzero

I feel like if he has any scum on his list that would be his first target

Keep in mind if he dies as well his flip reveals what his list actually is

There is no chance he'd want all town on it. It would basically just townclear everyone from it not dead at lylo

I just feel like a jack with an ultimate dayscan that catches even gf with absolute certainty feels like nonsense

Why even have 5 other abilities at that point.

FD, as stated previously it wasn't done to me. I don't think further detail helps town at this juncture.

Lopen posted...

He basically just autodies at lylo if there are no scum on his list.

4/15

4/10 = lylo/mylo so all town deaths needed to be on his list.

A mix works better as a hedge

they can shoot town, they have way more control over town deaths

besides why wouldn't he put Scare on there who was likely to die regardless lol

Forceful_Dragon posted...

MZero you feel pretty defensive about something that really only Lopen is giving serious consideration to at the moment.

I've gone as far as to acknowledge it's a possibility, but relegated it as a low% one. But your defensiveness more than his persuasiveness has me reconsidering.

yeah you're right town never defends themselves you got me

Just so you all know

I'm not lynching anyone other than Sbell or Mzero today

So you can either join me or lynch someone else with vote power -1 up to you

Lopen posted...

Just so you all know

I'm not lynching anyone other than Sbell or Mzero today

So you can either join me or lynch someone else with vote power -1 up to you

I look forward to you voting wallz or something in a few hours

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You voted 3x day 1 and only once day 2?
:shrug:

not my votes, the lynch.

You lynched town day 1 and dead to rights scum day 2?

MZero posted...

I look forward to you voting wallz or something in a few hours

https://youtu.be/H47ow4_Cmk0?si=oNMJkc9_mQtGNswx

SirChris posted...

if its wallz + mzero they just kill you lol

Here's the other thing

Scum expected Kirby alive

Mislynch Kirby -> mislynch Lopen sounds GREAT for scum. Lea is much more likely to not just mindlessly tunnel Kirby (she thought Kirby was town) and so killing her has way more upside than me

With that in mind Wallz is again on the table but I still think it's Sbell

That being said I've sown enough doubt in my head

##Vote: Mzero

It does not move

Lopen posted...

Here's the other thing

Scum expected Kirby alive

Mislynch Kirby -> mislynch Lopen sounds GREAT for scum. Lea is much more likely to not just mindlessly tunnel Kirby (she thought Kirby was town) and so killing her has way more upside than me

With that in mind Wallz is again on the table but I still think it's Sbell

That being said I've sown enough doubt in my head

##Vote: Mzero

It does not move

this is true, you would have tunneled kirby today

SirChris posted...

this is true, you would have tunneled kirby today

Very likely

If Lea were alive though I suspect she could have talked me out of it.

Which is why she was killed

The point is me having eventually suspected Wallz means nothing. My role in today was known by scum. And then were I to turn on Wallz or Mzero I would have already bled away all my credibility.

You won the game for us Sir Chris. Now join me and take up Lea's chariot and ride down this "confirmed town how could he scan his scummate like that!?!?" scum Mzero.

My official bet is mzero + wallz actually

Sbell join me. Crush this Tidus who has a super overpowered day scan that is an abomination upon this land

Lopen posted...

Sbell join me. Crush this Tidus who has a super overpowered day scan that is an abomination upon this land

so now you're insinuating that I do have a day scan and actually scanned my teammate? lol

MZero posted...

so now you're insinuating that I do have a day scan and actually scanned my teammate? lol

No. I'm not.

Guys Lopen just slipped that he knows my scan was real, obv scum lynch plz

Lopen posted...

If Kirby flips town Wallz + Mzero is scum

Man

Lopen posted 102 knew

Kirby321 posted...

Anyway, I think it's telling that nobody is able to provide a proper response to "if Kirby flips town, who is scum?" Should be a basic question, really :P

Thank you Kirby good question

Lopen posted...

You know who can see scum PMs with no ability needed

Scum

Here's your day scan mzero

Lopen posted...

My official bet is mzero + wallz actually

Sbell join me. Crush this Tidus who has a super overpowered day scan that is an abomination upon this land

you literally said I have a day scan

I'm saying a day scan with that mechanic accompanying a bunch of other abilities would not exist ie you are scum

first of all, host said this game would be more about fun than balance

second of all, why would I fake that instead of just faking a cop scan

Because your team has no GF and you suspect no scanning roles exist as a result

Because you thought an absurd ability would make you look more credible not less in a weird game

Because you wanted discussion of Ulti's meteor list out there before he flipped

All sorts of reasons possible. I think just having a cop scan in a 6 use jack sounds like poor optics too for the record