Board 8 > CYOF Mafia Day 2.2

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SirChris posted...

I can't even take joy if I am shot because lopen will just blame me after

Being town is a curse.

Too fucking real

Anyway, I think it's telling that nobody is able to provide a proper response to "if Kirby flips town, who is scum?" Should be a basic question, really :P

If Kirby flips town Wallz + Mzero is scum

Kirby321 posted...

Too fucking real

Anyway, I think it's telling that nobody is able to provide a proper response to "if Kirby flips town, who is scum?" Should be a basic question, really :P

Have you provided a proper response to it though

Enchantress posted...

Probably not

Alright thanks

It's okay Kirby, no matter what happens, even if you become the entire town's enemy, I'll be your knight.

I'm listening if you have any role clarifications or reads. Do you think town Mzero truly believes Ulti is always a good scan target after immediately obliterating him in Tekken mafia? A lot has happened day two but it felt pretty on rails. Am I crazy? Is Lopen truly the Joker going ha ha ha ha

I am Tidus going Ha ha ha ha come on guys

Enchantress posted...

Yeah but he already claimed scum when you scanned him. Like I know that your scan is more powerful than guilty, but Ulti already admitted he scanned guilty, then that he had no action, oh but then he did have an action. Mislynching someone in dating mafia is very different from normal mafia. You're like an Ulti expert, are you really buying into the 4th alignment unreadable narrative? You did ask at the start of the day, but you could have checked in, said last call. I mean I considered shooting Ulti immediately when he tried to claim miller - it would have been stylish, accurate, a cool moment. But I waited to see if that would truly be the best use of the power.

Where does this narrative come from that I'm an Ulti expert

I caught him once in Tekken Mafia and have mislynched him like 5 times since

MZero posted...

Where does this narrative come from that I'm an Ulti expert

I caught him once in Tekken Mafia and have mislynched him like 5 times since

I thought you were a fellow Ulti whisperer like me and Lopen but I guess I haven't paid close attention

https://youtu.be/H47ow4_Cmk0?si=oNMJkc9_mQtGNswx

##Vote: Mzero

wallmasterz posted...

Have you provided a proper response to it though

Last I checked, y'all are the ones who need to convince Lea to shoot me.

I've presented my case, and Lea has even explained her side for why she thinks I'm town.

I guess now that I can't make use of my role to apply pressure, I might as well partake in the discussion of who Lea should shoot, but otherwise I couldn't care less.

I will say, Lea, if you're concerned about shooting a valuable power, then shoot someone whose role claim seems the shadiest. ... Which would've been Ulti, but FD dropped the ball there.

And hey, I fit that bill I suppose. Just let me know beforehand if you fully intend to shoot me because I have some parting words before I die.

Wallz has his miller vote thing or whatever, but the optics of Ulti and Wallz both being scum and claiming miller seem poor. Otherwise, I'd say Wallz is a good shot. Man went from tunneling Lopen to now tunneling me over weak D1 interactions.

Also you're talking to the guy who dayvigged SBell (twice) without consulting town at all lol

Enchantress posted...

Do you think town Mzero truly believes Ulti is always a good scan target after immediately obliterating him in Tekken mafia? A lot has happened day two but it felt pretty on rails. Am I crazy? Is Lopen truly the Joker going ha ha ha ha

To MZero's credit, he did ask people for opinions on who to scan. At the same time, Sultan gave you a gun, so people were deliberating who you should shoot. I can see MZero conflating those two together and making a bit of a suboptimal scan choice.

On one hand, I can see the argument that MZero faked the day role scan. Even if he did, if Ulti flips town, we kill MZero without hesitation. Ulti is pretty much guaranteed to flip scum, though. So why give in to paranoia? MZero enabled us to kill scum. Could've been a gambit, sure, but if it's a ruse, it'll fall apart eventually. Otherwise, he's a prime scum nightkill now that Ulti and his Meteor are dead.

Really, if we're going to scrutinize people for not playing their role well, all eyes are on FD for that one. MZero could have potentially more toys to play with, and if he's anti-scum, then scum is gonna have their plate full trying to neutralize him.

Kirby321 posted...

Last I checked, y'all are the ones who need to convince Lea to shoot me.

I've presented my case, and Lea has even explained her side for why she thinks I'm town.

I guess now that I can't make use of my role to apply pressure, I might as well partake in the discussion of who Lea should shoot, but otherwise I couldn't care less.

I will say, Lea, if you're concerned about shooting a valuable power, then shoot someone whose role claim seems the shadiest. ... Which would've been Ulti, but FD dropped the ball there.

And hey, I fit that bill I suppose. Just let me know beforehand if you fully intend to shoot me because I have some parting words before I die.

Wallz has his miller vote thing or whatever, but the optics of Ulti and Wallz both being scum and claiming miller seem poor. Otherwise, I'd say Wallz is a good shot. Man went from tunneling Lopen to now tunneling me over weak D1 interactions.

Can you just do the parting words and I don't shoot you

MZero posted...

Also you're talking to the guy who dayvigged SBell (twice) without consulting town at all lol

That is fair, that I do remember lol

I guess I missed the why kirby Is scum boat, or I forgot which boat is which.

FD would yell at me if I asked for a refresher...

MZero posted...

Also you're talking to the guy who dayvigged SBell (twice) without consulting town at all lol

this is something I remember. But in your defense I believe I was scum at least one of those times.

Kirby321 posted...

if Ulti flips town, we kill MZero without hesitation.

Is this for real

For real for real

Why aren't you shooting this guy again

Lopen posted...

Why are you so sure he's town

I have no compensation. He lied about his intended use for his ability and is claiming an anti town ability. He also has strange interactions with Ulti that Wallz pointed out and Scare who knowingly was playing on a time limit rando voted him and I bet you Scare was intentionally distancing super hard knowing his lifespan.

Surely you have some reason to be so sure he's town that outweighs this

For sbell

if ulti flips town we kill mzero is sure something that would occur however we have less than 0.000000000001 percent chance of that happening, right? There is zero scum equity for mzero to do any of that as a lie.

why did that get said?

Enchantress posted...

Can you just do the parting words and I don't shoot you

My parting words would just be the Mafia equivalent of "fuck yous" but a lot more PG lol

If Kirby was scum you'd think he'd be more likely to know Ulti surrendered with dignity a long time than not

Kirby other than wanting me dead for tunneling you on what you call weak reasoning for suspecting you, who else do you think is scum? Feels like youre just coasting by on yeah Id shoot wallz

Obellisk posted...

this is something I remember. But in your defense I believe I was scum at least one of those times.

the first time you were scum and I was a hero

the second time you were town and I was a zero

well I guess I'm always a zero but you get it

Enchantress posted...

If Kirby was scum you'd think he'd be more likely to know Ulti surrendered with dignity a long time than not

If Kirby was scum he'd fake that so people like you would say that

He is reading the topic. Kill him.

Lopen posted...

Is this for real

For real for real

Why aren't you shooting this guy again

Lopen
What godforsaken mindfuckery kind of role could have possibly interfered with a Town MZero's ability to get a fake role PM for a Town Ulti?
(That's a rhetorical question istg do not give me a serious reply)

MZero got his entire freaking role PM. How on Earth could there possibly be any semblance of MZero getting the wrong info on Ulti? Ulti even said he scanned guilty, which would've been on Ulti's role PM that MZero would have seen!

If Ulti is town, then MZero somehow lied. I refuse to believe something fucked with MZero's scan.

Like... did you misread what I said? I don't understand what's so blasphemous about what I said

Don't kill mzero

Kill Kirby

Kirby is 10000% scum or 3p. We can resolve Mzero later if he's still alive and his ability doesn't fit the setup

Lopen posted...

For sbell

in response to the anti town aspect of his role, couldn't you just as easily say that FDs role is antitown. Taking away a vote and forcing a lynch on unconfirmed could be detrimental to town.

Kirby321 posted...

Lopen
What godforsaken mindfuckery kind of role could have possibly interfered with a Town MZero's ability to get a fake role PM for a Town Ulti?
(That's a rhetorical question istg do not give me a serious reply)

MZero got his entire freaking role PM. How on Earth could there possibly be any semblance of MZero getting the wrong info on Ulti? Ulti even said he scanned guilty, which would've been on Ulti's role PM that MZero would have seen!

If Ulti is town, then MZero somehow lied. I refuse to believe something fucked with MZero's scan.

Like... did you misread what I said? I don't understand what's so blasphemous about what I said

Lopen seems to think you read the part of the scum where Ulti said yes I am scum, gg. And are pretending not to in order to fool me, specifically

MZero posted...

the first time you were scum and I was a hero

the second time you were town and I was a zero

well I guess I'm always a zero but you get it

then red did it too for the lulz.

Enchantress posted...

Lopen seems to think you read the part of the scum where Ulti said yes I am scum, gg. And are pretending not to in order to fool me, specifically

Even if he didn't read it

Why does mzero 1 for 1 Ulti as scum

Anyone making any legitimate attempt to digest the game does not humor the idea that Ulti is town under any circumstance

Question to all, gun to his and his head: BCT or Corrik?

Corrik, at least BCT is playing

If you shoot either of those two I vote you the rest of the game

Lopen posted...

Anyone making any legitimate attempt to digest the game does not humor the idea that Ulti is town under any circumstance

even I'm saying it can't make sense.

Lopen posted...

If you shoot either of those two I vote you the rest of the game

What if scum shot Red over you because they knew your scan on Chris was a bluff?

wallmasterz posted...

Kirby other than wanting me dead for tunneling you on what you call weak reasoning for suspecting you, who else do you think is scum? Feels like youre just coasting by on yeah Id shoot wallz

I genuinely don't know. Half the game is claimed power, and the other half barely even posts. It's tough for me to apply pressure when there aren't many votes out, so I can't even threaten my role that well to see how people react to it.

But you're deflecting. Stop avoiding the question and tell me who is scum if I'm town.

Enchantress posted...

What if scum shot Red over you because they knew your scan on Chris was a bluff?

Are you saying you know Chris is scum now

I want to see what Chris is cooking, I think that could help if it's at all legitimate

Lopen posted...

Are you saying you know Chris is scum now

No, I'm saying if Chris is town, like he's claiming to be able to confirm himself

Obellisk posted...

in response to the anti town aspect of his role, couldn't you just as easily say that FDs role is antitown. Taking away a vote and forcing a lynch on unconfirmed could be detrimental to town.

The other perspective is that it requires one less vote to lynch scum AND the full day occurs allowing for more information and thoughts to be discussed.

Also it isn't just that it would be 'bad for mislynches to occur with fewer votes', but it would actually be OP for scum to have a role where they could effectively force mylo 1 day sooner (on top of having at least one extra kill)

I get being wary, but let's be reasonable here

Lopen posted...

Even if he didn't read it

Why does mzero 1 for 1 Ulti as scum

Anyone making any legitimate attempt to digest the game does not humor the idea that Ulti is town under any circumstance

I understand now. My point got lost in translation.

I was emphasizing that MZero contributed to lynching scum. Either way, we get out of this day with scum dead. So why be greedy? No point to consider the possibility that MZero is scum right now. He helped kill scum, unless in some bizarro world where Ulti flips town.

I made that statement to highlight the absurdity of the situation. Maybe I didn't express that properly, but you're cherry-picking and seeing the forest for the trees. My point was that it's needlessly risky to shoot MZero, which is what Lea was asking my thoughts for.

I buy it

If Chris is just town BCT would encourage me to claim scan on Chris and leave me alive

Ok fine I'd shoot BCT of those two

Corrik should claim

If he doesn't, he eats metal

I stand by Corrik is likely town because Ulti just busses the hell out of him day 1 for town points if scum Corrik is on his death list

Kirby Mzero both championing BCT is noted. We must consider the team is indeed Kirby Mzero BCT

Lopen posted...

I stand by Corrik is likely town because Ulti just busses the hell out of him day 1 for town points if scum Corrik is on his death list

Yeah I guess that's what you do if you know he's going to be too idc to post a single thing in 2 game days. It's just so irritating

I don't think "is actually playing" is championing but okay

Enchantress posted...

BCT said he was specifically challenged to a game of "dead man's hand" which isn't actually a thing. I've been googling and it just refers to a specific ace and 8s two pair hand.

The fabled "Dead Man's Hand" is called that because Wild Bill Hickok was killed while holding it. It was not a reference to the cards he held, just a reference to the fact that it was a game of poker to the death. I have no idea why this wasn't clear to you and you're using semantics since you're very clearly out to get me.

Lea is still a scum read for me. If she shoots me, lynch her FAST, okay? (I am not fully caught up yet btw)

Summoned

Ok Lea

Do it. I approve.

I meant to say scummoned but Phone autocorrected me