Current Events > More Drama Concerning Narrative Designer Affiliated with Sweet Baby Inc

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FortuneCookie posted...

That poster is privileged, sure.

But they don't have to bite their tongue and be someone else's pincushion simply for having the same skin color as the villains who orchestrated social inequality in our hemisphere. "I know you're not personally responsible, but shut up and let me blame you," is never a good argument

Where is this individual being blamed for anything? White people who dont bother to make efforts to help push back against systemic racism ARE at fault. Everyone that doesnt apply to? They arent getting blamed for shit. You know that evil virtue signaling everyone is always yelling about? The people doing that (I.e being allies) are the ones not getting blamed.

attributing social inequality to some nebulous and specific villains is part of the problem. The problem is white people who continue to perpetuate the systemic inequality. If that doesnt apply to you, you arent part of the problem and you dont need to fucking whine about the ones who are being called out.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c44840f9.jpg

Zonbei posted...

Where is this individual being blamed for anything? White people who dont bother to make efforts to help push back against systemic racism ARE at fault. Everyone that doesnt apply to? They arent getting blamed for shit. You know that evil virtue signaling everyone is always yelling about? The people doing that (I.e being allies) are the ones not getting blamed.

attributing social inequality to some nebulous and specific villains is part of the problem. The problem is white people who continue to perpetuate the systemic inequality. If that doesnt apply to you, you arent part of the problem and you dont need to fucking whine about the ones who are being called out.

Did you read the rest of my posts?

Tbh dude I was very, very tactful and careful with what I said around her. I was also pretty healthy in my approach to her being indian, making sure not to completey ignore it and risk coming across as "I don't see colour" or talk about it too much and risk fetishising her(I find indian women beautiful so this was a genuine concern lol)

And it was more about realising she didn't have to/want to give me the same respect.

Vyrulisse posted...

Not shocked people in this topic are actually trying to justify or defend this idiot racist.
Double standards are the stock in trade of CE.

Only double standards I see are people ho hum on racism until it's a random woke nobody they want to blame for the ruining of video games.

If people weren't crying over minorities in their video games and looking for vindication, this stupid woman would just be lost in the sea of racism on Twitter that people generally say to ignore. Like, it's fine that she got found out and got fired, but there was a less than honest reason why we even know her name.

Humble_Novice posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c44840f9.jpg

Bill Burr said something even more damning. Did the ppl who hate this women get upset here?

https://youtu.be/_KKYiWUrzxQ?si=LT3-WiBy_pV5eGp6

She's a miserable person and I agree she's racist. You really should not (in ANY case) use your past experiences with an individual from any given race as an excuse to hate the entire race. Plus, the fuck with being upset at interracial couples?

That being said, who the fuck cares? She got fired (to my knowledge). At the end of the day, she was one of the many consultants at SBI and is a small game dev. She's not gonna somehow bring about the genocide of white people. She's racist and should be forgotten, but this is, ultimately, a nothing burger.

Seems pretty racist

cjsdowg posted...

Bill Burr said something even more damning. Did the ppl who hate this women get upset here?

https://youtu.be/_KKYiWUrzxQ?si=LT3-WiBy_pV5eGp6

Ok but you can see how this is literal whataboutism, right? Both people can be shitty and hold shitty views that deserve to be called out.

Honestly though, 3rd wave feminism really was focused on the liberation of upper class white women. It lost its intersectionality somewhere along the way, going so far as to even exclude or actively harm women of color. Speaking specifically about the US here, no idea how it affected other nations.

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Yeah, I have a lot more hope for 4th wave feminism than I do for 3rd.

Probo93 posted...

That being said, who the fuck cares? She got fired (to my knowledge). At the end of the day, she was one of the many consultants at SBI and is a small game dev. She's not gonna somehow bring about the genocide of white people. She's racist and should be forgotten, but this is, ultimately, a nothing burger.

Wait, she got fired from her current workplace?

...yeah this whole thread is a big yikes. I know the woman in question would look at me like I'm the Devil, but I can see people also using this as a buzz topic to bolster their claims of a problem with one particular background.

I personally used to have a respite care worker who butted heads with my grandfather and his friends about race. She made up a lie that I could never see her again as per her agency's rules when she was let go.

I just hate this whole situation.

Humble_Novice posted...

Wait, she got fired from her current workplace?

I'm just going off what others have said about her being fired. I don't know if it's true or not, hence saying to my knowledge. I very well could be wrong about her being fired.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Did you read the rest of my posts?

Tbh dude I was very, very tactful and careful with what I said around her. I was also pretty healthy in my approach to her being indian, making sure not to completey ignore it and risk coming across as "I don't see colour" or talk about it too much and risk fetishising her(I find indian women beautiful so this was a genuine concern lol)

And it was more about realising she didn't have to/want to give me the same respect.

Seems like youre hung up on an ex being shitty to you. Not sure what that has to do with basically anything else going on in this topic.

You know what funny about all of this being because of Sweet Baby Inc? She only worked there for 8 months as an intern. According to her LinkedIn profile, she was a narrative design intern at Sweet Baby Inc, from October 2022 to May 2023. So not like she would have had much impact on any games they consulted on.

And no idea if she's actually been fired. Her current company is Cliffhanger games, which is a new studio under EA games.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Ok but you can see how this is literal whataboutism, right? Both people can be shitty and hold shitty views that deserve to be called out.

Whataboutism is just something people say to justify treating some people harsher then they treat other people. These people only happen to complain about racism when some nobody does it. Point blank she is a nobody who had a no nothing job. And these ppl are the first to defend racism aimed at black people.

The whole DEI movement is racism never mind some of the advocates been blatant about it.

Zonbei posted...

Seems like youre hung up on an ex being shitty to you. Not sure what that has to do with basically anything else going on in this topic.

I found your posts pretty damn rude and accusatory and felt the need to explain myself tbh

cjsdowg posted...

Whataboutism is just something people say to justify treating some people harsher then they treat other people. These people only happen to complain about racism when some nobody does it. Point blank she is a nobody who had a no nothing job. And these ppl are the first to defend racism aimed at black people.

I dont disagree that shes an idiot nobody who has no power over anything

I just think theres better arguments to be made for why her opinions arent important than pointing to a completely unrelated person with shit views about a different topic. Whataboutism is absolutely a thing

Newhopes posted...

The whole DEI movement is racism never mind some of the advocates been blatant about it.

What do you think DEI is?

cjsdowg posted...

What do you think DEI is?

The so called Diversity Equity and Inclusion bullshit.

Newhopes posted...

The whole DEI movement is racism never mind some of the advocates been blatant about it.

Do you mean racism against white people specifically, or how is DEI racism against marginalized minority groups?

Newhopes posted...

The so called Diversity Equity and Inclusion bullshit.

No that is the name of it. Do you know what it is.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I found your posts pretty damn rude and accusatory and felt the need to explain myself tbh

Your explanation did not change anything I said.

Newhopes posted...

The so called Diversity Equity and Inclusion bullshit.

What is so called about it, exactly?

Zonbei posted...

What is so called about it, exactly?

Because is isn't diverse, equal or inclusionary it a movement championed by white saviours and is frankly at best discrimination and at it worst racist segregationists, all they see is the colour of somebodies skin and not the person.

The whole movement is virtue signalling bs and frankly it disgusts me.

Newhopes posted...

Because is isn't diverse, equal or inclusionary it a movement championed by white saviours and is frankly at best discrimination and at it worst racist segregationists, all they see is the colour of somebodies skin and not the person.

The whole movement is virtue signalling bs and frankly it disgusts me.

So given your u in color am I right to assume you are not even American. And since you said all they see is color. Shows that you don't know what DEI is at all.

cjsdowg posted...

So given your u in color am I right to assume you are not even American. And since you said all they see is color. Shows that you don't know what DEI is at all.

Thats extactly what it is.

Discrimination masquerading as compassion.

Newhopes posted...

Because is isn't diverse, equal or inclusionary it a movement championed by white saviours and is frankly at best discrimination and at it worst racist segregationists, all they see is the colour of somebodies skin and not the person.

The whole movement is virtue signalling bs and frankly it disgusts me.

Oh, so you have zero idea what youre talking about, got it.

Think of it this way. Gravity exists. We all agree on that, right? Now, weve all decided we dont want to be stuck on the ground. Everyone else has said well we have to push up then, use our muscles to jump, build ladders and climb them, build planes and fly.

and then youre over here going why are you guys doing all that? Just lay on the ground and itll work itself out.

White supremacy is built into our institutions. Racism is systemic. You have to actively work to counter-act it, or things return to the default. You are advocating for not actively working to counter-act it, calling that action racism. That means you are advocating for a return to the actually racist default. We can only hope youre just ignorant, and not doing it on purpose.

Newhopes posted...

Thats extactly what it is.

Discrimination masquerading as compassion.

Nope. Its actively working against an oppressive system. Its proven by actual research that if you dont make an active effort towards diversity, white people just keep being the only ones who get hired.

Zonbei posted...

Nope. Its actively working against an oppressive system. Its proven by actual research that if you dont make an active effort towards diversity, white people just keep being the only ones who get hired.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888

Ya...

Newhopes posted...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888

Ya...

The article you linked is actually arguing the opposite, that completely ignoring gender (and by extension, race) during the hiring process can make things worse.

Newhopes posted...

Thats extactly what it is.

Discrimination masquerading as compassion.

The fact that you think that it is just something to help people of color shows that you don't know what you are talking about. Why do you feel so strongly about something you don't understand

Newhopes posted...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888

Ya...

You that.. that proves my point. Are you okay?

Newhopes posted...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888

Ya...

Always amusing to see someone take their own argument outside and shoot it in the back of the head.

That's what you get when you just regurgitate 'opinions' you see on twitter, I guess.

To quote a popularly blocked user:

"And he was never seen again"

Zonbei posted...

Your explanation did not change anything I said.

It didn't make you look at things slighty differently? Fuck me you're stubborn

I thought the point of the article was that dei is unfair/racist/bigoted, because when they looked at the applications based on merit (experience/scores/etc) even more men were hired... so the arguments that women or poc are being discriminated against because they are a woman, and everyone knows they could do the job at least as well as a man aren't lining up.

When they couldn't choose based on gender or skin color, it showed that hiring practices were being screwed and the best applicants were not getting the positions.

...anywho, get back to your topic, I just like reading these things and trying to follow along with what people are thinking... which is literally FUCKING EVIL I have been told and not something people around here like doing

haloiscoolisbak posted...

It didn't make you look at things slighty differently? Fuck me you're stubborn

Sure, the things I looked at differently just werent remotely relevant to anything I had said.

Alteres posted...

I thought the point of the article was that dei is unfair/racist/bigoted, because when they looked at the applications based on merit (experience/scores/etc) even more men were hired... so the arguments that women or poc are being discriminated against because they are a woman, and everyone knows they could do the job at least as well as a man aren't lining up.

When they couldn't choose based on gender or skin color, it showed that hiring practices were being screwed and the best applicants were not getting the positions.

...anywho, get back to your topic, I just like reading these things and trying to follow along with what people are thinking... which is literally FUCKING EVIL I have been told and not something people around here like doing

That was very much not the point of the article.

dear lord lol... THE POINT OF POSTING THE ARTICLE

I read the bloody thing, this is exactly what I mean

Alteres posted...

dear lord lol... THE POINT OF POSTING THE ARTICLE

I read the bloody thing, this is exactly what I mean

Bro, its not my fault you left the word posting out of your message.

Regardless; why does it matter that the point of posting the article was the opposite of what the article said? We all know that. Thats why we were making fun of the poster.

I will say one thing. The thing about white people and spice isn't true. I have seen more white people than anyone else do things like atomic wing challenges.

did you, did you actually read it?

The trial found assigning a male name to a candidate made them 3.2 per cent less likely to get a job interview.

Adding a woman's name to a CV made the candidate 2.9 per cent more likely to get a foot in the door.

I thought the dudes point was that dei was discriminatory because as the article said, everyone thought this would be amazing and help... but oh no, when they just look at the data more men are hired

*...the word being there shouldn't matter, I made it pretty clear I was talking about him posting the article and his reasons for it

Alteres posted...

did you, did you actually read it?

I thought the dudes point was that dei was discriminatory because as the article said, everyone thought this would be amazing and help... but oh no, when they just look at the data more men are hired

*...the word being there shouldn't matter, I made it pretty clear I was talking about him posting the article and his reasons for it

Thank you for once again making it clear you didnt bother to read anything but what confirmed your biases.

You mean to tell me that men end up with more impressive resumes (the only way they could be hiring without knowing gender) thanks to the pervasive bias towards men in hiring and promoting, and when you remove DEI they get hired more because of that? Proving that not having DEI practices leads to an imbalance in hiring? The exact thing that was being said and that the poster posted the article to disprove? Huh. Wild.

wait, no you just read it as men must be better than women at things because you didnt bother to think for two seconds, didnt you.

I really don't care and no I don't think that.

But if you can't understand why he posted the article, and how it could be seen as backing his point I don't know what to tell you.

That is all I was ever saying.

*ugh, and you are doing exactly what you are accusing me off, you have no bloody idea what the metrics were except that this was specifically put in place as a dei measurement that backfired, I very much doubt it was weighted that impractically but who knows... that's kinda the point, people on here seemingly intentionally misunderstanding each other is really weird, is it all really just trying to mod bait people?

Alteres posted...

I really don't care and no I don't think that.

But if you can't understand why he posted the article, and how it could be seen as backing his point I don't know what to tell you.

That is all I was ever saying.

*ugh, and you are doing exactly what you are accusing me off, you have no bloody idea what the metrics were except that this was specifically put in place as a dei measurement that backfired, I very much doubt it was weighted that impractically but who knows... that's kinda the point, people on here seemingly intentionally misunderstanding each other is really weird, is it all really just trying to mod bait people?

I can totally understand why he posted the article. Because he read it incorrectly. I truly dont understand what point you are trying to make. You seem to think its some intentional misunderstanding. In reality, you arent making any goddamn sense.

one attempt at a DEI measure not working doesnt mean DEI is useless, and in this case if it proved anything, it proves that it is. Given that is the case, what is your point? That you can see why they might have posted it, incorrectly?