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Tmaster148
03/20/24 1:21:58 PM
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https://shorturl.at/qrEH9

Source: https://local21news.com/

CHICAGO (TND) A U.S. District Court judge ruled earlier this month that completely prohibiting illegal immigrants from possessing firearms is a violation of the Second Amendment.

The ruling, issued on March 8 by Obama-appointed District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman, pertains to the case of illegal migrant Heriberto Carbajal-Flores. Carbajal-Flores was charged under Title 18 of U.S. Criminal Code, a measure preventing illegal migrants from possessing firearms.
Carbajal-Flores had no criminal history of improper use of a gun and therefore, according to the court, did not present a public danger when exercising his Second Amendment right in Chicago in 2020.

In her decision, Coleman cited the Supreme Court's ruling in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, which found New York State could not constitutionally prevent anyone from carrying a pistol in public. The case, she said, established a framework for analyzing whether a challenged firearm regulation violates the Second Amendment.


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mybbqrules
03/20/24 1:24:07 PM
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Oh boy, can't wait to see the 2A humpers tie themselves into knots over this one.

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CADE_FOSTER
03/20/24 1:24:36 PM
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i mean the criminals already got guns
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Were_Wyrm
03/20/24 1:25:19 PM
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And just like that guns were bad...

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Nirvanas_Nox
03/20/24 1:25:23 PM
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Cuts both ways

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Prestoff
03/20/24 1:25:32 PM
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This ruling is going to trigger a lot of Republicans.

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Tmaster148
03/20/24 1:26:41 PM
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Prestoff posted...
This ruling is going to trigger a lot of Republicans.

If they aren't hypocrits they should love this ruling. The constitution applies to everyone within the borders and if the 2A is some infallible right then it applies to everyone within the borders of the US.

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Murphiroth
03/20/24 1:27:56 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Oh boy, can't wait to see the 2A humpers tie themselves into knots over this one.

They'll just ignore it like they do anything that inconveniences their narrative and worldview.
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Southernfatman
03/20/24 1:28:01 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
If they aren't hypocrits they should love this ruling.

Being a hypocrite is pretty much required to be a typical conservative now.

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masterpug53
03/20/24 1:28:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure I just felt the ground tremble with a chorus of gun nuts screaming 'NO, NOT LIKE THAT!!' in a way not dissimilar to the Greybeards summoning the Dovahkiin.

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PeteyParker
03/20/24 1:28:40 PM
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Guns for everyone! Wait... not like that!

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Tyranthraxus
03/20/24 1:29:05 PM
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Fantastic ruling IMO. Every single gun ban in the history of the country has been passed with heavy racist undertones. Regardless if you are pro/anti 2A I feel like so long as we're going to have guns we should not be racist about who gets to have them.

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Bass
03/20/24 1:29:17 PM
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Lmao. This country is wild.

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Giant_Aspirin
03/20/24 1:29:19 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
If they aren't hypocrits they should love this ruling

see, that's the thing ....

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Tmaster148
03/20/24 1:30:20 PM
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Bass posted...
Lmao. This country is wild.

Do you not approve of upholding the 2A as it states in the constitution?

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CADE_FOSTER
03/20/24 1:31:07 PM
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i mean when its minorities they always were
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ClayGuida
03/20/24 1:32:03 PM
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Haha, maybe we'll finally get some comprehensive gun reform.

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Bass
03/20/24 1:37:27 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Do you not approve of upholding the 2A as it states in the constitution?
I don't see the government using well regulated militias anymore.

I know this is a widely debated legal question, though.

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Tmaster148
03/20/24 1:43:39 PM
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Bass posted...
I don't see the government using well regulated militias anymore.

I know this is a widely debated legal question, though.

That's not what the current interpretation of the 2A is. Do you not agree with upholding the values of the constitution?

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ScazarMeltex
03/20/24 1:44:38 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Fantastic ruling IMO. Every single gun ban in the history of the country has been passed with heavy racist undertones. Regardless if you are pro/anti 2A I feel like so long as we're going to have guns we should not be racist about who gets to have them.
Yep. One of the first things that happened after the failure of reconstruction was the disarming of blacks in the newly Jim Crow south. Which made them easier targets when it came time to lynch them.

Either everyone gets guns, or no one does. If you pick and choose then you leave whoever is the outgroup at the mercy of the others. Which as any minority in the US can tell you, is not a good place to be.

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Dark_Arbron
03/20/24 1:45:34 PM
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The current interpretation of the 2A is the use of guns by the citizenry to resist government tyranny. It'd be nice if the most hardcore proponents of that interpretation would get to work on that.

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RchHomieQuanChi
03/20/24 1:45:50 PM
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Can't wait to see the 2Aers bend into a pretzel trying to explain why not everyone should be allowed to own a gun without accidentally explaining why gun control is good

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SiO4
03/20/24 1:54:53 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Oh boy, can't wait to see the 2A humpers tie themselves into knots over this one.

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Bass
03/20/24 1:59:05 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
That's not what the current interpretation of the 2A is. Do you not agree with upholding the values of the constitution?
Not sure why you care so much about my interpretation, dude. Chill out.

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Tmaster148
03/20/24 2:02:30 PM
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Bass posted...
Not sure why you care so much about my interpretation, dude. Chill out.

You are the one calling the country wild for upholding the values stated in the constitution. Do you not support upholding the 2A?

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LoveLikeJazz
03/20/24 2:13:16 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
You are the one calling the country wild for upholding the values stated in the constitution. Do you not support upholding the 2A?
My interpretation of "this country is wild" was a little more broad than that I guess, because I didn't assume that's exactly what he meant. I just figured more along the lines of "can't wait see what chaos is caused by this one".

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GranQroppoop
03/20/24 2:14:27 PM
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Bass posted...
I don't see the government using well regulated militias anymore.

The National Guard is considered Militia, the only one currently authorized to be one by Congress. It's in the Articles (A1 sections 8 and 10 and A2 section 2) as a way of preventing state governments from having private armies.

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Bass
03/20/24 2:16:25 PM
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LoveLikeJazz posted...
My interpretation of "this country is wild" was a little more broad than that I guess, because I didn't assume that's exactly what he meant. I just figured more along the lines of "can't wait see what chaos is caused by this one".
Yup. We already have a bunch of mass shootings and no one is doing anything about it. This certainly won't help in that regard. We are wild compared to most developed nations.

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ROBANN_88
03/20/24 2:22:16 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
That's not what the current interpretation of the 2A is. Do you not agree with upholding the values of the constitution?

the constitution is just a 200 year old document
it's not divinely ordained

it can and should be changed when it has stuff that doesn't work anymore
i believe that's called an Amendement

if it still works fine, that's great but having the value of "uphold the constitution" just for the sake of upholding it is folly

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Tmaster148
03/20/24 2:24:10 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
the constitution is a just 200 year old document
it's not divinely ordained

it can and should be changed when it has stuff that doesn't work anymore

if it still works fine, that's great but having the value of "uphold the constitution" just for the sake of upholding it is folly

The arguments against Gun Control have always resolved around it not being part of the constitution.

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Paragon21XX
03/20/24 2:52:45 PM
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GranQroppoop posted...
The National Guard is considered Militia, the only one currently authorized to be one by Congress. It's in the Articles (A1 sections 8 and 10 and A2 section 2) as a way of preventing state governments from having private armies.
Why do you only tell half truths?

10 U.S. Code 246 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


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ROBANN_88
03/20/24 3:08:50 PM
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Paragon21XX posted...
Why do you only tell half truths?

10 U.S. Code 246 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

i don't get it.
first they say "Militia are those who are in the National Guard"
and then they say "Militia are those who are in the National Guard, and also those militia who are not in the National Guard"

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xlr_big-coop
03/20/24 3:42:03 PM
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Awesome, as a DACA this pleases me greatly

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Serious_Cat
03/20/24 4:00:45 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
i don't get it.
first they say "Militia are those who are in the National Guard"
and then they say "Militia are those who are in the National Guard, and also those militia who are not in the National Guard"
The unorganized militia is essentially anyone eligible to be drafted into military service who isn't a member of the military or National Guard.

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eggcorn
03/20/24 4:03:15 PM
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We love guns now

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Agent_Stroud
03/20/24 4:06:14 PM
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eggcorn posted...
We love guns now

Indeed. Aint life grand here in the land of guns? (Love how the autocomplete on my phone immediately suggested guns when typing the land of, by the way. )

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AlephZero
03/20/24 4:09:10 PM
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based

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creativerealms
03/20/24 4:10:17 PM
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They will blame this on Obama. Since he appointed the judge.

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pinky0926
03/20/24 4:12:51 PM
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Republicans think immigrants are less human than a clump of cells but also that guns are part of a person's soul, so this should be interesting

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Tmaster148
03/20/24 4:23:10 PM
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The constitution isn't a document that only applies to citizens. It's a documents whose purpose to tell what the US government can and cannot do. If the Constitution states that via the 2A that the government cannot take away a person's guns then it applies to everyone.

This means that anyone is protected from the US government taking away their guns. Though realistically this only matters if you are within the borders of the US and its territories.


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Tmaster148
03/20/24 4:29:04 PM
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You said
I'm not sure how or why we would even need to regulate an illegal immigrate possessing a firearm?

I'm just clarifying what the constitution and 2A represent for this ruling. This isn't about regulating illegal immigrants owning guns, this is about preventing the government from bypassing the protections granted in the constitution.

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Tmaster148
03/20/24 4:33:54 PM
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Owning a firearm isn't something that only US citizens are allowed to do and a non US citizen with a firearm in the US borders is protected from the government taking away their guns as per the 2A.

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ClayGuida
03/20/24 4:35:05 PM
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"Shall not be infringed!"
"Not like that!"

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Tmaster148
03/20/24 4:38:16 PM
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You wanted to bring up a discussion about non-citizens owning firearms.

I think part of this discussions is about non-citizens own firearms within the US

I then told you that there is nothing that prevents non-citizens from owning firearms.

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