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NhojAnec
03/15/24 9:37:54 AM
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https://6abc.com/aaron-thomas-paulsboro-high-school-social-media-video-students/14518376/

I know that parents shouldn't do this but considering how poorly schools handle bullies I can't say I blame him.

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MacadamianNut3
03/15/24 9:39:36 AM
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Yeah I'd probably do the same if that happened, prefer that over having my kid kill or harm themselves because of some little shitheads at school

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Jaguar34
03/15/24 9:40:50 AM
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terrorist threats?

Hitting the kids was a mistake. Parents like that can yell but most adults know if you threaten someone you do it quietly and with kindness.
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Hayame_Zero
03/15/24 9:41:31 AM
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"He's between a rock and a hard place," said Ed Rosas from Mantua Township. "As a father, I can understand exactly what he's saying, what he's doing. But also, as a father of a child that's in the schools, to have a stranger come in to do what he did is also wrong."

Spot on. I get the frustration, but that's the wrong way to go about it. Especially since he got physical with another student who tried to de-escalate.

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Rosstin316
03/15/24 9:42:44 AM
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So parents arent allowed to confront a bully to protect their kid or teach a lesson to a drink stealing bully by giving their kid a gross drink, which means direct and indirect resolution are off the table. Obviously these things were tried AFTER complaining to the school who did jack shit. So what the fuck are they supposed to do?

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Funkydog
03/15/24 9:43:42 AM
#6:


NhojAnec posted...
I know that parents shouldn't do this but considering how poorly schools handle bullies I can't say I blame him.


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Smackems
03/15/24 9:44:02 AM
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Jaguar34 posted...
terrorist threats?

Hitting the kids was a mistake. Parents like that can yell but most adults know if you threaten someone you do it quietly and with kindness.
Are you sure about that

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/15/24 9:44:17 AM
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Rosstin316 posted...
So parents arent allowed to confront a bully to protect their kid or teach a lesson to a drink stealing bully by giving their kid a gross drink, which means direct and indirect resolution are off the table. Obviously these things were tried AFTER complaining to the school who did jack shit. So what the fuck are they supposed to do?
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Block_that_Kick
03/15/24 9:47:07 AM
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Bullies are classic narcissists. The moment you fight back, they claim they were the victim the whole time and its you who is more than likely getting in trouble.


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Funkydog
03/15/24 9:48:55 AM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
Bullies are classic narcissists. The moment you fight back, they claim they were the victim the whole time and its you who is more than likely getting in trouble.
And it works most of the time. And then they mock you for it.

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TheSuperSilver
03/15/24 9:49:30 AM
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I wonder if there was some history here where perhaps the father had previously taken all the more diplomatic measures to stop the bullying yet the school did nothing. It may have reached a tipping point where the father decided to take matters into his own hands.

It's wrong but as a father of a little one myself, I kinda get it.

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TimeForAction
03/15/24 9:49:56 AM
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Helicopter parents strike again
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Solar_Crimson
03/15/24 9:54:56 AM
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Considering how awful schools are at handling bullying, I can understand why the father felt the need to step in personally.

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DuneMan
03/15/24 9:56:05 AM
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Jaguar34 posted...
terrorist threats?

Hitting the kids was a mistake. Parents like that can yell but most adults know if you threaten someone you do it quietly and with kindness.
I wish I remember who it was, but there was interview on the radio about a guy's childhood(I think it was in France) and the bully that would constantly get into fights with other kids. Eventually the guy's mother talked to the bully in a calm and almost pleasant voice, calling him out but saying that she didn't think he was stupid and that while he could beat up the other children in the neighborhood, if he attacked her son again she'd knock him senseless and put his body in a dumpster to be lost amidst the landfill and no one would care to come looking for him as a missing bully. The calm demeanor worked and the bully never bothered the guy again.

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SaikyoStyle
03/15/24 10:00:32 AM
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Rosstin316 posted...
So parents arent allowed to confront a bully to protect their kid or teach a lesson to a drink stealing bully by giving their kid a gross drink, which means direct and indirect resolution are off the table. Obviously these things were tried AFTER complaining to the school who did jack shit. So what the fuck are they supposed to do?
https://youtu.be/8xIZVMJjvHQ?si=zewkJoH_XGnpd0tZ

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Xatrion
03/15/24 10:01:58 AM
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Honestly? The way things are now, the only suitable recourse for the disgusting bully culture we have is for the bullied to fight back. Yeah, you might get a suspension or two, but they only pick on those who don't fight back for the most part.

Also, fuck bullies.

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C_Pain
03/15/24 10:08:56 AM
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I was literally just thinking about this earlier this morning. What would you do if your kid was being bullied and the school wasn't doing anything?

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ai123
03/15/24 10:10:12 AM
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'Terrorist threats'?

That sounds like he took things way too far. If he marched into a school and threatened a minor with violence, I'm not going to condone that.

Where's it going to end? How is the father of the kid he threatened going to react to that? How is getting arrested going to make things better for his child?

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Hornezz
03/15/24 10:14:58 AM
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Yeah, you can't have people walking into the school threatening kids with violence.

The charges do seem excessive though. Should've just been escorted off the premises.

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LightHawKnight
03/15/24 10:19:08 AM
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Anyone else worried how easily he got into the classroom? Its been a while, but back when I was in highschool or lower, my parents had to wait at the entrance or in a waiting area for me to go see them. Well unless it was an event or something where parents were supposed to come in.

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LoveLikeJazz
03/15/24 10:21:00 AM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
Spot on. I get the frustration, but that's the wrong way to go about it. Especially since he got physical with another student who tried to de-escalate.
Agreed

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/15/24 10:28:24 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Anyone else worried how easily he got into the classroom? Its been a while, but back when I was in highschool or lower, my parents had to wait at the entrance or in a waiting area for me to go see them. Well unless it was an event or something where parents were supposed to come in.
I mean, they were supposed to, but I'm guessing this guy didn't report to the front office to ask permission to harass a student. You can just go in one of the side doors and do whatever you want.
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party_animal07
03/15/24 10:34:53 AM
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The problem is that this needed to happen in the first place. Patents often talk over and over with nothing changing.

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LightHawKnight
03/15/24 10:41:49 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
I mean, they were supposed to, but I'm guessing this guy didn't report to the front office to ask permission to harass a student. You can just go in one of the side doors and do whatever you want.

Side doors were always locked when I was still in highschool. Only the front door was unlocked, unless of course you had kids propping the door open, but these days, there really should be an signal or alarm for that.

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Prismsblade
03/15/24 10:42:22 AM
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Considering how hands off schools are on such matters its hard to blame him honestly.

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Venixon
03/15/24 10:47:29 AM
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Maybe if the school staff weren't so lazy and useless, parents wouldn't have to. I yelled at some kid who hit my daughter when i was in school and bitched out the school staff who tried to quiet me down. As a parent you have a right to snarl at bullies. If the bullies parents don't like it, tough shit. If the school doesn't like it, tough fucking shit.

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Akuryu
03/15/24 10:48:42 AM
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Fair. Regardless of what preceeded this, we can't have adults barging into schools, making threats and putting their hands on students.
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Venixon
03/15/24 10:51:27 AM
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Hornezz posted...
Yeah, you can't have people walking into the school threatening kids with violence.

The charges do seem excessive though. Should've just been escorted off the premises.
Unless you catch the bully beating up or molesting your kid. That's definitely the exception. And even then it depends on if the kid is of an age where you can pick em up, or if they're a teen. A teen would deserve a quick shock or pepper spray. A little kid or middle schooler you can pry off.

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Japanties
03/15/24 10:55:29 AM
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Bullies deserve harsh consequences. That said, I dunno to what extent the dad's actions were justified because it seems vague as to what the "dispute" between his daughter and the others was.
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hockeybabe89
03/15/24 10:57:03 AM
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Maybe bullies should be taken care of if schools don't want parents taking it into their own hands.

You can't expect people to sit and do nothing.

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ai123
03/15/24 10:57:23 AM
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Trouble is that people like this father see themselves as some kind of action hero. All he has to do is threaten and (apparently) get physical with some kids, and his child will never be bullied again, thanks to his intimidating heroics and awesome tough guy parenting.

Reality is that the kids think he's an overbearing douchebag who likes to throw his weight around with minors. The school considers him a threat. The police arrest him as a criminal. The bully's father would probably like to have a word with him. And most unfortunate of all, he's probably made things worse for his daughter, who is now the child of that psycho dad who like to act tough and bully schoolkids.


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Venixon
03/15/24 11:07:24 AM
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ai123 posted...
Trouble is that people like this father see themselves as some kind of action hero. All he has to do is threaten and (apparently) get physical with some kids, and his child will never be bullied again, thanks to his intimidating heroics and awesome tough guy parenting.

Reality is that the kids think he's an overbearing douchebag who likes to throw his weight around with minors. The school considers him a threat. The police arrest him as a criminal. The bully's father would probably like to have a word with him. And most unfortunate of all, he's probably made things worse for his daughter, who is now the child of that psycho dad who like to act tough and bully schoolkids.
Or maybe, dad is fed up with the school's unwillingness to do anything. Maybe dad has brought up the issue before and nothing was done, as is always the case. If a teacher won't do anything about kids beating up other kids, and remember not everyone is capable of self defense, then other measures will hafta be taken.

But it seems you can't or won't put yourself in others shoes. We have imagination and empathy for a reason.

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wanderingshade
03/15/24 11:10:05 AM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
Bullies are classic narcissists. The moment you fight back, they claim they were the victim the whole time and its you who is more than likely getting in trouble.

I dunno, some bullies are literally cliches where their stepdads take out their frustrations on them so they take it out on other kids at school

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ai123
03/15/24 11:13:55 AM
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Venixon posted...
Or maybe, dad is fed up with the school's unwillingness to do anything. Maybe dad has brought up the issue before and nothing was done, as is always the case. If a teacher won't do anything about kids beating up other kids, and remember not everyone is capable of self defense, then other measures will hafta be taken. But you can't or won't put yourself in others shoes. We have imagination and empathy for a reason.
I'm talking about the results of his actions. Which don't help anyone. I can understand why someone would do that, but empathy does not require me to think his actions were anything other than badly judged.

Do you think the kids in the classroom who saw him threaten and get physical with minors are going to think 'well, that's understandable, he probably hasn't had a response from official channels', or 'why is this fucking psycho attacking schoolkids?'

He is the adult. He just made everything a lot worse for himself and his family.

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hockeybabe89
03/15/24 11:15:40 AM
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ai123 posted...
I'm talking about the results of his actions. Which don't help anyone. I can understand why someone would do that, but empathy does not require me to think his actions were anything other than badly judged.

Do you think the kids in the classroom who saw him threaten and get physical with minors are going to think 'well, that's understandable, he probably hasn't had a response from official channels', or 'why is this fucking psycho attacking schoolkids?'
Who gives a fuck? Someone needs to do something about those rotten children torturing their own.

The victims aren't even allowed to beat up their tormentors without getting in trouble.

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ai123
03/15/24 11:20:46 AM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Who gives a fuck? Someone needs to do something about those rotten children torturing their own.

Right. Let's allow the parents of bullied kids into school to assault minors.

Then maybe let their parents in to beat up the adult who assaulted their kids.

The kids are sure to learn a valuable lesson about treating people with kindness and respect, and not using violence to resolve differences.

The victims aren't even allowed to beat up their tormentors without getting in trouble.

Hey, that kid started it. I was just beating up my bully.


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Cheater87
03/15/24 11:22:39 AM
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Why do schools protect and coddle bullies?

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NoxObscuras
03/15/24 11:45:46 AM
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As a parent myself, I absolutely get where he's coming from. My son is in elementary school and he's already dealing with kids trying to pick on him. His teachers are aware of it, the after school staff are aware of it, even the principal and vice principal are aware of it. But it keeps happening. The staff even told me once that if it kept happening, they were gonna have no choice but to suspend my son for a few days... The way schools handle bullies and victims is absolutely horrendous.

So to me, this seemed like a moment of "the school hasn't done anything to stop this, so I'm gonna handle it myself."

But at the same time, I understand why it's a problem to have some adult storming into a classroom and threatening students. It really is a tough situation to be in.

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Strider102
03/15/24 11:47:48 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
I guess kids are supposed to handle their own problems.

They can't otherwise they get in trouble and the bully gets a slap on the wrist.

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hockeybabe89
03/15/24 12:00:15 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
The staff even told me once that if it kept happening, they were gonna have no choice but to suspend my son for a few days...
"Sorry, kid. You're just too distracting to the other students. Come back when you're not asking to be bullied."

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Akuryu
03/15/24 12:30:43 PM
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Kids also lie and exaggerate, and many parents think their little darling is perfect and infallible. You cannot condone parents "taking matters into their own hands." There are a lot of psycho parents out there.

Any adult who trespasses into a school to threaten and get physical with with a child should be tackled and hauled off to jail. Period.
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NoxObscuras
03/15/24 12:48:58 PM
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Akuryu posted...
Kids also lie and exaggerate, and many parents think their little darling is perfect and infallible. You cannot condone parents "taking matters into their own hands." There are a lot of psycho parents out there.
Most aren't condoning it though. It's more of a "I understand him, but he should have handled it differently."

And sure, some kids lie and exaggerate, but it's no exaggeration to say that bullying is a major problem in our schools.

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buddhamonster
03/15/24 1:10:40 PM
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Rosstin316 posted...
So parents arent allowed to confront a bully to protect their kid or teach a lesson to a drink stealing bully by giving their kid a gross drink, which means direct and indirect resolution are off the table. Obviously these things were tried AFTER complaining to the school who did jack shit. So what the fuck are they supposed to do?

Let the bullies just win, and hope it doesnt cause too much long-term damage, either physical or mental, to their child, I guess


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Dark_Arbron
03/15/24 1:14:48 PM
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Rosstin316 posted...
So parents arent allowed to confront a bully to protect their kid or teach a lesson to a drink stealing bully by giving their kid a gross drink, which means direct and indirect resolution are off the table. Obviously these things were tried AFTER complaining to the school who did jack shit. So what the fuck are they supposed to do?

If I had kids in some alternate universe I would homeschool them, even if that involved hiring a private tutor. Public schooling damaged me enough as it is, I'd be damned if I let it happen to my children.

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hockeybabe89
03/15/24 1:19:40 PM
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ai123 posted...
Right. Let's allow the parents of bullied kids into school to assault minors.

Then maybe let their parents in to beat up the adult who assaulted their kids.

The kids are sure to learn a valuable lesson about treating people with kindness and respect, and not using violence to resolve differences.

Hey, that kid started it. I was just beating up my bully.
Maybe schools can use their goddamn brains and handle things on a case-by-case basis instead of their zero tolerance bullshit. Maybe they can severely punish bullying so it doesn't get to that point.

And people have a goddamn right to self-defense from bullies. If people don't give you kindness and respect, then you don't give them kindness and respect. The victims have zero responsibility to be the bigger person. Maybe don't treat a defenseless child like a worthless piece of shit if you want to avoid potential consequences of your actions.

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ai123
03/15/24 1:29:46 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Maybe schools can use their goddamn brains and handle things on a case-by-case basis instead of their zero tolerance bullshit. Maybe they can severely punish bullying so it doesn't get to that point.

Yes. I completely agree. Provocation and self-defence should always be taken into account. Bullies should suffer serious consequences.

And people have a goddamn right to self-defense from bullies. If people don't give you kindness and respect, then you don't give them kindness and respect. The victims have zero responsibility to be the bigger person. Maybe don't treat a defenseless child like a worthless piece of shit if you want to avoid potential consequences of your actions.

I haven't suggested anything of the kind.

My point is that a parent cannot be allowed to storm into a school and start threatening and getting into altercations with minors in lessons.

It doesn't help the situation for anyone. Including the child who is being bullied. Kids aren't going to leave her be just because her dad went psycho in class and got arrested. It's making things worse.

I hope we are not going to do the 'unless you support fathers threatening kids in lessons, you support bullying' thing.

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Umbreon
03/15/24 1:32:45 PM
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"Terrorist threats" seems like bullshit unless there's something they're not telling us. Even threatening to knockout a child, while wrong, wouldn't fall under that.

Like others in this topic has expressed, I understand the difficult situation the father is in. What he did was wrong, but I understand why he did it. Well, the motivation of wanting to protect your child certainly isn't wrong, it's the method being criticized here.

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