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RetuenOfDevsman
03/11/24 1:05:47 AM
#50:


Why does anybody care about a sore loser pouting? Or the Oscars, for that matter?

This is almost as not-newsworthy as the time Susan Boyle became a household name by crying about losing.
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Prestoff
03/11/24 1:06:49 AM
#51:


Japanties posted...
I saw Across the Spider-Verse in theaters and I walked away thinking that the audio mixing was noticeably poor.
Yeah that was more of the fault the theaters. My theater had that same problem, so the whole Mumbhattan section was really hard to listen to. I watched it when it came to streaming and their wasn't any problem with sound mixing like there is in Christopher Nolan movies.

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Toonstrack
03/11/24 1:07:45 AM
#52:


FortuneCookie posted...
Cliffhanger?

Yeah, I would deny a movie an Oscar based on that alone. It'd be like giving an Oscar to an unfinished film.

This is such a hilariously and profoundly stupid argument I can't believe people are actually giving it

The movie has all the elements of a completed plot. A rising action, falling action, climax and resolution, it just sets also the rest of the narrative and the second half of the overarching story. The movie HAS an ending, its just that the ending doesn't conclude ALL plot elements.

That was never the requirement for Oscars nor should it be because that's stupid.

Inception also has a Cliffhanger ending, it doesnt reveal a crucial part of the story. Infinity war? Cliffhanger. ESB? Cliffhanger. Dawn of the planet of the apes? All of these movies still have endings.

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TendoDRM
03/11/24 1:11:36 AM
#53:


Toonstrack posted...
One terrible take followed by a factoid that renders the prior terrible take even more useless.

ASTV is one of the best superhero films ever made.

Hi, Miles. Sorry your movie didn't win.

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CM_Ponch
03/11/24 1:16:32 AM
#54:


Toonstrack posted...
Inception also has a Cliffhanger ending,
No

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Toonstrack
03/11/24 1:16:45 AM
#55:


TendoDRM posted...
Hi, Miles. Sorry your movie didn't win.

You're only further proving my point.

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Toonstrack
03/11/24 1:17:46 AM
#56:


CM_Ponch posted...
No

Yes. We have no idea if the protagonist is dreaming or not at the end, a major element of the entire film isn't unrevealed deliberately. The movie still has an ending.

Cliffhangers don't mean a movie doesn't have an ending.

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FortuneCookie
03/11/24 1:18:02 AM
#57:


Toonstrack posted...
Inception also has a Cliffhanger ending

When is the second part of the Inception trilogy due out?

There's a difference between an ambiguous ending / lack of closure and an ending that is left as an open-ended hook for the next film. I wouldn't want to heap awards on a film which ends with a proverbial "To Be Continued..."

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Link_of_time
03/11/24 1:19:57 AM
#58:


NeonOPPAl posted...
Spiderverse 1 was so much better than 2. I'm not surprised lol

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blackrider76
03/11/24 1:21:07 AM
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Nothing happens in the first half of Heron.

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Toonstrack
03/11/24 1:22:48 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
When is the second part of the Inception trilogy due out?

There's a difference between an ambiguous ending / lack of closure and an ending that is left as an open-ended hook for the next film. I wouldn't want to heap awards on a film which ends with a proverbial "To Be Continued..."

Why not? That hasnno bearing on a films shot composition, acting performances, score, script or anything that determines its quality lmao. Movies aren't nominated for their endings.

Cliffhangeds dont just mean a story isn't finished. In ASTV it does but cliffhangers are just a narrative device like anything else.

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Revisited
03/11/24 1:24:22 AM
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Lol at lumping inception with the rest of those examples.

Even dawn of the planet of the apes doesn't count compared to lol infinity war or sw 5, because dawn actually told a complete story within the context of the movie and only foreshadowed things to come, just like rise before it.
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Toonstrack
03/11/24 1:28:24 AM
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Lol at lumping inception with the rest of those examples.

Even dawn of the planet of the apes doesn't count compared to lol infinity war or sw 5, because dawn actually told a complete story within the context of the movie and only foreshadowed things to come, just like rise before it.

So does spider verse.

This is how a plot works: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/28d5203f.png

If your movie has all of these things it has a complete plot.

Across the Spider verse has all of these things.

The climax is whenmiles escapes the spider society and returns to ny

You can work out the rest from there.

This film, just took the arfistsic approach of having it resolution ALSO be a new conflict establishing.

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Prestoff
03/11/24 1:30:25 AM
#63:


Toonstrack posted...
This is such a hilariously and profoundly stupid argument I can't believe people are actually giving it

The movie has all the elements of a completed plot. A rising action, falling action, climax and resolution, it just sets also the rest of the narrative and the second half of the overarching story. The movie HAS an ending, its just that the ending doesn't conclude ALL plot elements.

That was never the requirement for Oscars nor should it be because that's stupid.

Inception also has a Cliffhanger ending, it doesnt reveal a crucial part of the story. Infinity war? Cliffhanger. ESB? Cliffhanger. Dawn of the planet of the apes? All of these movies still have endings.

Yeah I was soured by it, but in no way should it play a role if a movie wins or lses best animated movie of the year. There's a lot of movies I watched that never conclude all the plot elements that I consider terrific. But at the end of the day it's just a silly award show.

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FortuneCookie
03/11/24 1:31:03 AM
#64:


It's not comparable to lump in something intentionally open-ended to something linking to a follow-up film. Come on.

That's like comparing a 3-minute song to the first half of a song that goes on for 6 minutes. I wanna hear the rest of that song before I declare it the best song of the year.
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chris1001_the_sequel
03/11/24 1:31:05 AM
#65:


blackrider76 posted...
Nothing happens in the first half of Heron.

Yea, It was ok, but the first half of the movie was painfully slow. I would have preferred to seen Suzume nominated. Between the two of them, I'm not sure which one I would give the award to, both were two of my favorite movies from last year.

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Punished_Blinx
03/11/24 1:31:30 AM
#66:


Cliffhangers are a narrative device to get people on the hook for the next thing. I would say that immediately differs it from an ambiguous ending. The ending of Inception is a proper ending that resolves the story and the development of the protagonist. There's nowhere else for it to go.

I do agree it doesn't matter when it comes to these awards though. It's a direct sequel to a superhero movie that already made an impact and won. The Boy and the Heron likely being Miyazaki's last movie gives it an importance that isn't really going to be overlooked for this sort of thing.

Not saying that's the only reason why it won but obviously there's a lot of politics, subtext and industry discussions that happen outside the movies themselves too. The nominees and winners tell a story themselves and are supposed to represent the discourse of that respective year.

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Bio1590
03/11/24 1:37:25 AM
#67:


Toonstrack posted...
It's amazing that CE hasn't heard of cliffhangers now all of a sudden

It didn't even end in a cliffhanger, it literally just ended lmao.

Even Infinity War had a more "complete" ending than Across the Spider-Verse did.

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Bio1590
03/11/24 1:39:11 AM
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Also we all know Beyond the Spider-Verse is going to win next year anyways.

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Revisited
03/11/24 1:43:33 AM
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Punished_Blinx posted...
Cliffhangers are a narrative device to get people on the hook for the next thing. I would say that immediately differs it from an ambiguous ending. The ending of Inception is a proper ending that resolves the story and the development of the protagonist. There's nowhere else for it to go.

I do agree it doesn't matter when it comes to these awards though. It's a direct sequel to a superhero movie that already made an impact and won. The Boy and the Heron likely being Miyazaki's last movie gives it an importance that isn't really going to be overlooked for this sort of thing.

Not saying that's the only reason why it won but obviously there's a lot of politics, subtext and industry discussions that happen outside the movies themselves too. The nominees and winners tell a story themselves and are supposed to represent the discourse of that respective year.
Yeah plus no point getting into the whole "the Oscars are a joke" thing when it's always been known that the best movie is never the one that wins. They gave the Oscar to rango for crying out loud when even Kung fu panda 2 was much better in every single way. Brave won over wreck it Ralph, an obvious but still no less insulting snub. And thats just for one category, let alone the others
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NoxObscuras
03/11/24 1:54:01 AM
#71:


The Boy and the Heron was a great movie. Felt like a return to the fantastical Ghibli movies of old.

It's a tough choice for me, because I love Ghibli movies, but Miles is one of my favorite Marvel characters and his movies have been great too.

So two great movies competed and one came out on top. I wouldn't say that Spider-Verse was robbed.

Also, it's wild to me that people are complaining about the cliffhanger. That part had me so hyped. The music being a slightly altered Prowler theme for Miles. And just the attitude of the other Miles... Amazing.

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Link_of_time
03/11/24 1:55:34 AM
#72:


Revisited posted...
They gave the Oscar to rango for crying out loud when even Kung fu panda 2 was much better in every single way. Brave won over wreck it Ralph, an obvious but still no less insulting snub. And thats just for one category, let alone the others
Rango was ass, but I would've picked ParaNorman over either Brave or Ralph. None of them compare to Toy Story 4 beating Klaus.
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pegusus123456
03/11/24 2:03:52 AM
#73:


Toonstrack posted...
So does spider verse.

This is how a plot works: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/28d5203f.png

If your movie has all of these things it has a complete plot.

Across the Spider verse has all of these things.

The climax is whenmiles escapes the spider society and returns to ny

You can work out the rest from there.

This film, just took the arfistsic approach of having it resolution ALSO be a new conflict establishing.
While it is an excellent movie, the only plotline that gets resolved in Spiderverse is Gwen reconciling with her father which is by no means the main story. It has a rising action, a climax, and a falling action, but there's no resolution.

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pretzelcoatl
03/11/24 2:11:17 AM
#74:


this guy's agent is probably tearing his hair out
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Revisited
03/11/24 2:27:41 AM
#75:


Link_of_time posted...
Rango was ass, but I would've picked ParaNorman over either Brave or Ralph. None of them compare to Toy Story 4 beating Klaus.
Both paranorman and frankenweenie were great Halloween movies that year, and it was the same year we got a Munsters reboot pilot, just a great year for spooky enthusiasts.

I was actually gonna mention toy story 3 beating how to train your dragon, but didn't feel like dealing with those who have inexplicable love for 3.
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pretzelcoatl
03/11/24 2:30:49 AM
#76:


Revisited posted...
Both paranorman and frankenweenie were great Halloween movies that year, and it was the same year we got a Munsters reboot pilot, just a great year for spooky enthusiasts.

I was actually gonna mention toy story 3 beating how to train your dragon, but didn't feel like dealing with those who have inexplicable love for 3.
Kubo losing to the fucking Jungle Book was an abomination as well
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pretzelcoatl
03/11/24 2:34:40 AM
#77:


Prestoff posted...
It's a Miyazaki movie, his movies get the Pixar treatment when it comes to the Oscars. Though I agree, I would've given Spiderverse the animated movie of the year imo. The Boy and the Heron movie was alright. The premise is interesting and I did enjoy the "boy meets mother" angle but I thought the execution was pretty bad. Still has gorgeous animation though. Spiderverse was just an amazing movie overall that blew me away, though I will admit I was a little sour when it wasn't a "complete" movie.
It's more than just it's plot, it's semi-autobiographical and there is a lot of metaphor for things that took place over his life/career. it's not a very "face value" movie, but it is excellent.
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Toonstrack
03/11/24 3:07:18 AM
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Revisited posted...
Yeah plus no point getting into the whole "the Oscars are a joke" thing when it's always been known that the best movie is never the one that wins. They gave the Oscar to rango for crying out loud when even Kung fu panda 2 was much better in every single way. Brave won over wreck it Ralph, an obvious but still no less insulting snub. And thats just for one category, let alone the others

Rango is legitimately a great animated film. I love kung fu panda 2 but thats actually tough.

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Toonstrack
03/11/24 3:08:00 AM
#79:


Revisited posted...
Both paranorman and frankenweenie were great Halloween movies that year, and it was the same year we got a Munsters reboot pilot, just a great year for spooky enthusiasts.

I was actually gonna mention toy story 3 beating how to train your dragon, but didn't feel like dealing with those who have inexplicable love for 3.

3 is an amazing film that had grown men crying. Inexplicable ??

3 was so good it actually got nominated for best picture. Not just animated.

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Toonstrack
03/11/24 3:11:35 AM
#80:


pegusus123456 posted...
While it is an excellent movie, the only plotline that gets resolved in Spiderverse is Gwen reconciling with her father which is by no means the main story. It has a rising action, a climax, and a falling action, but there's no resolution.

Yes there is. The resolution is when miles comes to the realization that he never needed outside validation, and beat all of the other spider people who tried to hold him back. This resolves the clear conflict set up first when his mother wants him about going off to chase Gwen. Thats the fulfillment of his character arc in this story and why he ends up revealing his secret to his "mother".

whatthis movie does brilliantly is it pulls the rug out from his own victory lap, where there SHOULD be a new resolution because he has gone back to the wrong new york it sets him on a path to where his problems have doubled.

It takes that plot chart and works within it while completely subverting it. They build you up the entire time to this resolution, including montaging scenes from this film amd the previous.

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Zikten
03/11/24 3:31:50 AM
#81:


Bio1590 posted...
Even Infinity War had a more "complete" ending than Across the Spider-Verse did.
How? It's the same in both movies. A to be continued ending
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03/11/24 3:53:02 AM
#82:


Zikten posted...
How? It's the same in both movies. A to be continued ending
That's like saying every James bond movie isn't complete because it has a blurb at the end that says "James bond will return" or "spectre will return"
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Zikten
03/11/24 4:08:38 AM
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Revisited posted...
That's like saying every James bond movie isn't complete because it has a blurb at the end that says "James bond will return" or "spectre will return"
Yea but I'm asking why that guy said Infinity War is more complete than Across the Spider-Verse
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03/11/24 8:02:54 AM
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dragonballer88
03/11/24 10:40:21 AM
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Why are you guys bringing up Infinity Wars? That movie also didnt win any awards.

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DarthDemented
03/11/24 11:45:36 AM
#87:


Zikten posted...
A Miyazaki movie. His last one supposedly
The air plane one was suppose to be his last one. Until he dies, I wouldn't count this one as his last.

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Heavy_D_Forever
03/11/24 12:05:49 PM
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It sounds like the voice actor for Miles Morales is a crybaby bitch.

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pretzelcoatl
03/11/24 5:43:54 PM
#89:


Heavy_D_Forever posted...
It sounds like the voice actor for Miles Morales is a crybaby bitch.
idk if I would go that far, but i don't think I've heard of an actor publicly shitting on a director/producer live as an award show is taking place, much less an actor with a single notable role disparaging one of the most venerated filmmakers of all time.
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BadKarma_JT
03/11/24 5:47:42 PM
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Spiderverse is a glorified kids cartoon. There is no depth to it, it's unworthy of a nomination tbh.

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PiOverlord
03/11/24 5:48:35 PM
#91:


Tbh, I was under the impression that The Boy and the Heron was one of Miyazaki's more "eh" movies from a story perspective. The thing is, the Oscars does have a little bit of politics in play where, legacy + lack of wins can play a part in a movie winning.

I also don't really think the animated Oscar has nearly the same prestige/weight as the other awards.

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pretzelcoatl
03/11/24 5:51:57 PM
#92:


BadKarma_JT posted...
Spiderverse is a glorified kids cartoon. There is no depth to it, it's unworthy of a nomination tbh.
Spiderverse is visually stunning and deserves to be recognized for it, but Heron was just better imo. I'm not shitting on Spiderverse, just weirded out by the way the voice actor handled losing.
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pretzelcoatl
03/11/24 5:53:20 PM
#93:


PiOverlord posted...
Tbh, I was under the impression that The Boy and the Heron was one of Miyazaki's more "eh" movies from a story perspective. The thing is, the Oscars does have a little bit of politics in play where, legacy + lack of wins can play a part in a movie winning.

I also don't really think the animated Oscar has nearly the same prestige/weight as the other awards.
You should watch it and decide for yourself. I think what you get from it depends on how much you know about Miyazaki's life and career ahead of time.
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BadKarma_JT
03/11/24 6:04:06 PM
#94:


pretzelcoatl posted...
Spiderverse is visually stunning and deserves to be recognized for it, but Heron was just better imo. I'm not shitting on Spiderverse, just weirded out by the way the voice actor handled losing.

No it does not, not for a category rating an animated film on it's whole.

It needs to be the entire package similar to Arcane or any Ghibili film, visually stunning, well acted, well written, etc. Spiderverse is severely lacking in almost every category.

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Toonstrack
03/11/24 10:11:35 PM
#95:


BadKarma_JT posted...
No it does not, not for a category rating an animated film on it's whole.

It needs to be the entire package similar to Arcane or any Ghibili film, visually stunning, well acted, well written, etc. Spiderverse is severely lacking in almost every category.

Spiderverse revolutionized the animation industry, has better plots than some mcu films; excellent voice acting, gorgeous animation and sound design, and incredible score... its Pixar quality and absolutely deserves not just a spot but the award.

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Smashingpmkns
03/11/24 10:15:53 PM
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I liked Spider-Man but The Boy and the Heron was phenomenal and it was a better overall film imo.

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YellowSUV
03/11/24 11:14:36 PM
#97:


Not all cliffhangers are created equally. Across the Spider-Verse's is really poorly done. The movie just ends, there is no real downward action after the climax. It would be like if ESB literally ended with No, I am your father.


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DnDer
03/11/24 11:38:55 PM
#98:


Spiderverse was a great film. (I'm kind of salty about the cliffhanger ending, too, but whatever.)

Heron was autobiographical, historical, and quietly introspective. It's literal Oscar-bait, even if not deliberately so.

I'm not going to say Miyazaki was playing to an audience. Not that one (the Academy), anyway. But the "fix" was in because one of these just checked more of the boxes the Academy usually likes to give awards to.

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WingsOfGood
03/11/24 11:43:48 PM
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DnDer
03/11/24 11:48:54 PM
#100:


Toonstrack posted...
Inception also has a Cliffhanger ending, it doesnt reveal a crucial part of the story. Infinity war? Cliffhanger. ESB? Cliffhanger. Dawn of the planet of the apes? All of these movies still have endings.

I think you're trying to use a radically different definition for "cliffhanger" than anyone else.

FortuneCookie posted...
It's not comparable to lump in something intentionally open-ended to something linking to a follow-up film. Come on.

Thank you for saving me a whole rant. This pretty much encapsulates everything I was going to say.


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