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Thermador446
03/13/24 7:03:17 PM
#99:


Fuck that.
Evil as bad as Russia should never be surrendered to.


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closetjpopfan
03/13/24 7:05:57 PM
#101:


hockeybabe89 posted...
Imagine what those people would be saying if WW2 happened in the Internet age "Chamberlain is onto something!"

Too bad that Putin is not Hitler and Russia is not Germany. Or else I don't see you signing up for the invasion?? Wake up. The world doesn't work that way anymore.
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hockeybabe89
03/13/24 7:07:49 PM
#102:


closetjpopfan posted...
Too bad that Putin is not Hitler and Russia is not Germany. Or else I don't see you signing up for the invasion?? Wake up. The world doesn't work that way anymore.
If Putin invaded your country and soldiers were raping and killing your neighbors en masse, at what point would you say "Ok guys you win"?

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OmegaShinkai
03/13/24 7:07:55 PM
#103:


closetjpopfan posted...
Nah, instead of asking myself that, I'd much rather ask each parent if they'd rather have their children back. Widows their spouses. Orphans their parents.
You wanna ask that to the thousands of families that had their children kidnapped and shipped off to remote parts of Russia while Russians are settled into Ukraine? This is an exact repeat of Soviet-era tactics which is why there just happen to be large Russian minority populations in former Soviet republics.
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SaikyoStyle
03/13/24 7:08:15 PM
#104:


hockeybabe89 posted...
If Putin invaded your country and soldiers were raping and killing your neighbors en masse, at what point would you say "Ok guys you win"?
Hed rat on his neighbors to try and save himself.

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thronedfire2
03/13/24 7:09:13 PM
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guy broke the alt out just to shitpost in this topic

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OmegaShinkai
03/13/24 7:09:29 PM
#106:


closetjpopfan posted...
Too bad that Putin is not Hitler and Russia is not Germany. Or else I don't see you signing up for the invasion?? Wake up. The world doesn't work that way anymore.
Yeah, instead he's LITERALLY compared himself to Peter the Great while performing a Stalin speedrun, that's so much better when you look at how many of its own citizens the Soviet Union killed in the 1930s.
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hockeybabe89
03/13/24 7:10:15 PM
#107:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Hed rat on his neighbors to try and save himself.
And like, I get if someone doesn't want to fight, but then you flee to somewhere else. It's crazy to go "Better alive captive than dead free"

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GranAures
03/13/24 7:15:58 PM
#108:


hockeybabe89 posted...
And like, I get if someone doesn't want to fight, but then you flee to somewhere else. It's crazy to go "Better alive captive than dead free"
Four of his five posts are "I'm not saying surrender buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..."

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closetjpopfan
03/13/24 7:16:27 PM
#109:


Alright you freedom fighters, you guys are just way too brave and valiant for me. I'm sure you're very proud.

On a related note it's particularly interesting that Bergoglio would say this. Ask him about tyrannical regimes and kidnapped people.
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OmegaShinkai
03/13/24 7:20:00 PM
#110:


There it is, the ad hominem when called out.
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closetjpopfan
03/13/24 7:21:45 PM
#111:


OmegaShinkai posted...
There it is, the ad hominem when called out.

As opposed to the complete lack of response you gave me. To the bitter end it is, I guess! By all means, let's see how that works out.
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hockeybabe89
03/13/24 7:23:32 PM
#112:


closetjpopfan posted...
Alright you freedom fighters, you guys are just way too brave and valiant for me. I'm sure you're very proud.

On a related note it's particularly interesting that Bergoglio would say this. Ask him about tyrannical regimes and kidnapped people.
You're basically telling people that if someone is trying to rape or kill them, they need to give in at some point. And you'll call them too proud for trying to be a hero instead of accepting the "inevitable"

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DrizztLink
03/13/24 7:24:31 PM
#113:


closetjpopfan posted...
As opposed to the complete lack of response you gave me. To the bitter end it is, I guess! By all means, let's see how that works out.
That's because your points are at best ignorant wishy-washy nonsense and at worst the exact ways Russia tries to "justify" its invasion.

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GranAures
03/13/24 7:27:45 PM
#114:


Yes, dear, we know. You don't ACHTULY want Ukraine to give up, you're "just asking questions" over when it would be best to appease Russia and let them have their way. Again. After that worked so well the last time and actually stopped them from invading Ukraine again. And it's everybody else in the wrong for noticing that you are posting the exact same narratives pushed by everybody else that is saying exactly what you're "not saying."

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closetjpopfan
03/13/24 7:30:30 PM
#116:


GranAures posted...
Yes, dear, we know. You don't ACHTULY want Ukraine to give up, you're "just asking questions" over when it would be best to appease Russia and let them have their way. Again. After that worked so well the last time and actually stopped them from invading Ukraine again. And it's everybody else in the wrong for noticing that you are posting the exact same narratives pushed by everybody else that is saying exactly what you're "not saying."

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thronedfire2
03/13/24 7:30:53 PM
#117:


closetjpopfan posted...
Depending on the circumstances... yes. Again, nobody is coming to save Ukraine. This isn't WW2 anymore. It's going to happen. Maybe things haven't got to that point yet. Not sure if that isn't a scarier thought. But you don't think they will? You think Putin is going to stop? When?

you should really shut the fuck up

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OmegaShinkai
03/13/24 7:32:20 PM
#118:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
just give up
it's inevitable
they're not trying to exterminate you
you can always try again in 100 years
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closetjpopfan
03/13/24 7:33:40 PM
#119:


thronedfire2 posted...
you should really shut the fuck up

Chirp chirp chirp, I have no answer and just follow the crowd.
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OmegaShinkai
03/13/24 7:34:22 PM
#120:


Guys I'm just asking questions, maybe Russia isn't that bad
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DrizztLink
03/13/24 7:34:41 PM
#121:


closetjpopfan posted...
Chirp chirp chirp, I have no answer and just follow the crowd.
And you have no point and just follow the Kremlin.

I'd much rather listen to throned.

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GranAures
03/13/24 7:34:50 PM
#122:




You think Putin is going to stop? When?
Well, Putin sure as hell won't stop if you give him everything he wants. At best, he'll take a little break and come back to try finishing the job again, just like the last time he was given what he wanted.

And you are arguing for that.


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closetjpopfan
03/13/24 7:35:04 PM
#123:


OmegaShinkai posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
just give up
it's inevitable
they're not trying to exterminate you
you can always try again in 100 years
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GranAures
03/13/24 7:37:21 PM
#124:


Those rubles ain't worth anything homeslice.

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OmegaShinkai
03/13/24 7:38:24 PM
#125:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUrNPPTSWM
just surrender bro, Russians will treat you so much better when you're unarmed
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hockeybabe89
03/13/24 7:40:50 PM
#126:


closetjpopfan posted...
Depending on the circumstances... yes. Again, nobody is coming to save Ukraine. This isn't WW2 anymore. It's going to happen. Maybe things haven't got to that point yet. Not sure if that isn't a scarier thought. But you don't think they will? You think Putin is going to stop? When?
If people won't stop literally trying to kill you, then you literally never stop fighting or running.

It's not hypotheticals from halfway across the world for Ukrainians, it's real life. I'm not gonna say I'd be Rambo and personally take down an invading army, but I sure as shit would never think "Maybe the rape won't hurt too much and maybe they won't kill me after. People a few generations from now will probably ovethrow the government anyway, so no biggie."

I'm trying to figure out what has changed in 2024 that, after thousands of years of human existence, it's no longer worth fighting when your literally being attacked.

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closetjpopfan
03/13/24 7:42:58 PM
#127:


hockeybabe89 posted...


I'm trying to figure out what has changed in 2024 that, after thousands of years of human existence, it's no longer worth fighting when your literally being attacked.

Indeed! Let me know when you figure it out, I'll be around.
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ChainsawFerret
03/13/24 7:45:08 PM
#128:


In WWII, they helped hide Nazis and their gold. Even helped them escape the country when their whole plan fell apart. Of COURSE they would suggest this too. The only ones who need to wave the white flag are the Russians.

It ends if they leave. Turn the other cheek doesn't work here.

I am disappointed but not surprised. I've read enough history to never expect the RCC to do the right thing until it is well past time to do so.

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GranAures
03/13/24 7:49:55 PM
#129:


Honestly, I'm almost surprised none of the folks have tried to use "but nukes" yet.

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ScazarMeltex
03/13/24 7:52:56 PM
#130:


closetjpopfan posted...
At some point it seems to me like it's just the people in power wanting to keep it. No matter how horrible life under Russia would be, and believe me I'm sure it would be, I think it still beats death. It wouldn't be the end of Ukraine forever. The USSR fell once already. Russia's grip will slip. Putin will die one day. Russia can be pressured in other ways in the meantime. You can't win them all. Just look at the rest of the world for proof...

Like I said, I'm not saying fighting is wrong. But Putin seems willing to keep on no matter the cost not just to Ukraine but to Russia themselves and the rest of the world as well. How much more?

War is a business. This one has particularly good marketing.
I wonder how the people in the mass fucking graves feel about your assessment of how life under the Russian thumb is better than death.

The Russians invaded with mobile crematoria for a reason pal. One was so they could dispose of their own dead without the people back home learning, as opposed to putting them in a zinc coffin and dumping them on their family's doorstep like they did in during their war in Afghanistan. The other reason was to help cover up their own crimes.

Again, anyone advocating Ukraine's surrender should be forced to live under the Russian occupation. If you are willing to advocate it for others then you should be willing to accept it yourself.

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Full_Pokedex
03/13/24 7:55:03 PM
#131:


GranAures posted...
Honestly, I'm almost surprised none of the folks have tried to use "but nukes" yet.
I thought the general opinion on this board about Russian Nukes is that they don't work?

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hockeybabe89
03/13/24 7:55:38 PM
#132:


Goodbye Duncan

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Enclave
03/13/24 7:56:17 PM
#133:


GranAures posted...
Honestly, I'm almost surprised none of the folks have tried to use "but nukes" yet.

You mean regarding why "we should capitulate" to Russia and give them Ukraine? Because in the early days of the war I remember hearing that a lot but it kinda died out as a talking point because everybody knows the second Putin uses nukes that he's going fall out a window.

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OmegaShinkai
03/13/24 7:56:36 PM
#134:


GranAures posted...
Honestly, I'm almost surprised none of the folks have tried to use "but nukes" yet.
That comes later, we've cycled back to "the war is only going on for the west's profit" and "maybe bringing back Soviet rule over a country they repeatedly massacred isn't that bad" that reads like Republican comments on making the best of being raped
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DrizztLink
03/13/24 8:00:09 PM
#135:


OmegaShinkai posted...
that reads like Republican comments on making the best of being raped
He actually covered that as well in the process.

Exactly that.

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thronedfire2
03/13/24 8:02:25 PM
#136:


GranAures posted...
Honestly, I'm almost surprised none of the folks have tried to use "but nukes" yet.

Russia probably couldn't even get a nuke to Ukraine if they tried. 50% chance it lands on one of their own cities.

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GranAures
03/13/24 8:05:27 PM
#137:


hockeybabe89 posted...
Goodbye Duncan
Oh, god, that was Duncan?
Enclave posted...
You mean regarding why "we should capitulate" to Russia and give them Ukraine? Because in the early days of the war I remember hearing that a lot but it kinda died out as a talking point because everybody knows the second Putin uses nukes that he's going fall out a window.
Well, many of the people who actually push half this shit they use now know those are equally bull talking points as do more of the ones they use it against. Actually knowing something isn't going to stop them because they are either trolls or shit-heels and the difference isn't worth tracking.

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Umbreon
03/13/24 8:19:42 PM
#138:




closetjpopfan is no longer an active member.


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Irony
03/13/24 8:21:08 PM
#139:


Are you telling me that the Pope that told Ukraine to apologize to Russia for forcing them to invade them is still supporting Russia?

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hockeybabe89
03/13/24 8:22:00 PM
#140:


GranAures posted...
Oh, god, that was Duncan?
Not closetjpopfan, but he did chime in because "nukes" is like a Batsignal for him

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GranAures
03/13/24 8:23:14 PM
#141:


hockeybabe89 posted...
Not closetjpopfan, but he did chime in because "nukes" is like a Batsignal for him
LoL

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Nirvanas_Nox
03/13/24 9:05:34 PM
#143:


Russia needs to fuck right off and the pope needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. He's been saying some of the dumbest shit lately

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Sir_Will
03/13/24 9:08:45 PM
#144:


ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...
or maybe he is just saying what nobody wants to hear?

what are the chances of Ukraine taking back their territories at this point? EU support is divided, US support is unsure. Even with the support of the last two years, Ukraine seems to only ever get what they need to survive but not to win. I don't see that changing.

I get the feeling that western leaders prefer to see the conflict freeze because they don't want to deal with the consequences of one side winning it.

The only realistic ending to the conflict is a cease fire, Russia takes what they have and the rest of the world needs to wake the fuck up and realize that the good guys don't always win if they stick their thumbs up their asses.
With proper support they can win. And it's in everyone's best interests that they do. Russia won't stop. They'll attack again after a time or attack somebody else.

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HeeathLivesOn
03/13/24 9:31:05 PM
#145:


ColdOne666 posted...
The Pope can fuck off.


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