Board 8 > FFVII Rebirth SPOILERS AHOY

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colliding posted...

Yeah, I know, pretty flimsy but I'll roll with it since it's basically what happens in the original.

If it's like the original then that makes sense, it doesn't need to be bulletproof. I figured a lot of this was new to set up the multiverse stuff but I guess not.

I do think the Aerith at the end is very much in the lifestream. You could call her dead, or a ghost, but she can hop between dimensions so she's definitely still around.

Woah in the original, Tseng asks Elena out on a date. I like what they do here instead with their team up attacks, implying they already dated.

The rest of the temple seems way better in the original though. Sephiroth's appearances and Cloud going crazy are much more clear. And the gimmick of having to shrink the temple to get the materia is more fun than what happened here, and makes more sense as a sacrifice for Cait instead of him just running in and becoming super strong somehow.

https://streamable.com/fxiul1

(first thing i thought of with all the eclipse talk lately, lol)

I was on vacation for a couple of weeks, resumed the quest for platinum (and 100% playlog just because) on returning home. put off trying Rulers of the Outer Worlds as long as I could and finally got around to it and did it, after many hours spent... pure cheese strats helping to breeze through the first four fights, couldn't get through 5th until seeing a video that was just showing a straightforward -aga stunlock and worked like a charm. What a relief that's over with.

....still have some painful solo challenges and the legendary challenges to go (and Chapter 14 hard mode) but the end is in sight.

foolm0r0n posted...

I do think the Aerith at the end is very much in the lifestream. You could call her dead, or a ghost, but she can hop between dimensions so she's definitely still around.

Also agreed, though where I'm a little stumped is whether it's just your consciousness that can move between worlds or your whole physical body. Like, we saw Cloud and Aerith take over the comatose ones in the Zack-verse. My impression of Biggs re-telling his story sounded like a similar deal for him.

However, while I was assuming the Zack and Aerith fights w/ Cloud at "edge of creation" were fights in his mind w/ their respective consciousnesses teaming up with him, Zack's whole body and not just his consciousness was being sent to and fro in that final battle sequence & in the ending?? I also thought maybe only Cloud could see Aerith because her consciousness was still residing with him after the final battle but the fact Red XIII could sense her is like, yeah... lifestream ghost? Maybe without a body to consciousness-shift into, the other Aerith is just a ghost in our world that only Cloud can see due to the fate-breaching event?

Also means there are two different Aeriths right now, technically? "our" Aerith who died and is in the lifestream, and "other" Aerith who's in the world where she survived, popped over to help Cloud in his final battle, and goes back to her "second home" in the other world at the game's end?

MartinFF7 posted...

https://streamable.com/fxiul1

(first thing i thought of with all the eclipse talk lately, lol)

I was on vacation for a couple of weeks, resumed the quest for platinum (and 100% playlog just because) on returning home. put off trying Rulers of the Outer Worlds as long as I could and finally got around to it and did it, after many hours spent... pure cheese strats helping to breeze through the first four fights, couldn't get through 5th until seeing a video that was just showing a straightforward -aga stunlock and worked like a charm. What a relief that's over with.

....still have some painful solo challenges and the legendary challenges to go (and Chapter 14 hard mode) but the end is in sight.

Also agreed, though where I'm a little stumped is whether it's just your consciousness that can move between worlds or your whole physical body. Like, we saw Cloud and Aerith take over the comatose ones in the Zack-verse. My impression of Biggs re-telling his story sounded like a similar deal for him.

Except the Cloud in the Zack-verse has two shoulder pads, but when it's Cloud and Aerith on their "date" it's just one shoulder pad. Infuriating.

However, while I was assuming the Zack and Aerith fights w/ Cloud at "edge of creation" were fights in his mind w/ their respective consciousnesses teaming up with him, Zack's whole body and not just his consciousness was being sent to and fro in that final battle sequence & in the ending?? I also thought maybe only Cloud could see Aerith because her consciousness was still residing with him after the final battle but the fact Red XIII could sense her is like, yeah... lifestream ghost? Maybe without a body to consciousness-shift into, the other Aerith is just a ghost in our world that only Cloud can see due to the fate-breaching event?

I think we're supposed to think that all this actually happened. I thought that Remake's final battle was all in their heads/pocket universe stuff but nope, that all literally happened. Therefore I think all the party members literally traveled through dimensions. I think what happened is that the worlds did actually merge at the end of the game but only Cloud is able to be in both simultaneously.

Also means there are two different Aeriths right now, technically? "our" Aerith who died and is in the lifestream, and "other" Aerith who's in the world where she survived, popped over to help Cloud in his final battle, and goes back to her "second home" in the other world at the game's end?

Bingo, though "other" Aerith is ostensibly exactly the same as "our" Aerith, and "the other world" is our world, just like a layer on top of it. Who knows though. It's manufactured to try and keep people talking for two years.

yeah I agree Remake's final battle actually happened, as did the rest of the team's fight with Sephiroth Reborn. And on further thought you'd right since the gang comments on Reborn looking more roughed up, ideally reflecting the real physical damage Cloud and Zack were doing. and if Cloud's Sephiroth Reborn fight was "real" then it'd imply his Zack and Aerith fights were too... but I still refuse to believe the Remake ending cutscene 1v1 fight & "seven seconds till the end" part was real, I mean it was in his mind in the original game so I still believe it's in his mind there!

Didn't notice the shoulder pad thing at all before either, geez. just googled and apparently in Remake there's all manner of one vs two shoulder pad differences. I guess it would've necessitated making a different character model to add the second one?

Has Genesis appeared at all yet, even a passing reference

pretty sure he's not been mentioned whatsoever, the only oblique reference I can think of is in Remake, Hojo refers to "S and G-type SOLDIER candidates". Outside of that, can't think of anything.

Rebirth didn't have any Crisis Core/Dirge of Cerberus references other than Cissnei, did it?

MartinFF7 posted...

Also agreed, though where I'm a little stumped is whether it's just your consciousness that can move between worlds or your whole physical body

It seems pretty clear that it's consciousness only. We've never seen more than 1 body in one place at the same time, and Cloud & Aerith needed their comatose bodies to jump into. Also in the original Japanese, Aerith refers to the lifestream as containing the Cetra's consciousnesses. So it's more that consciousness is physical and the lifestream is a physical place that consciousnesses can go. They can only enter the world through an existing body though.

One thing that is weirdly unanswered is Aerith in R1. There were a lot of hints that her consciousness was from the future. This ending confirms the mechanics of that. But how did she get back to that timeline's body?

MartinFF7 posted...

Also means there are two different Aeriths right now, technically? "our" Aerith who died and is in the lifestream, and "other" Aerith who's in the world where she survived, popped over to help Cloud in his final battle, and goes back to her "second home" in the other world at the game's end?

To me it seems like there's only "our" Aerith who is the main one and who is in the lifestream and who fought with Cloud. The one who survived is from an alternate timeline, and you can imagine infinite of those. But the alternate timeline isn't real/canon. They just showed it to confuse the players, and then switched back to showing the main timeline. Same as Zack choosing to save Cloud vs Biggs. They flipped between both confusingly, but none of those are really canon. The only canon Zack is the one who died and is now in the lifestream and who fought with Cloud.

Another interpretation is that there is only 1 lifestream version of a character. All the dead versions of the character merge into that lifestream version. So the lifestream Aerith is all the infinite Aeriths who were killed by Seph, including the one in the main timeline. Then that combined lifestream version can hop into living bodies and retain their infinite memories. So the Aerith who fought with Cloud is the merged lifestream version, and same with final boss Seph, and the Seph who jumps into his clones. It also explains why he wants to destroy all the worlds, so he can merge with all of them in the lifestream and become complete.

It's the same with Zack too, but a bit trickier because Seph apparently was able to cut part of Zack's lifestream consciousness away? It seemed like Zack ended up in the real world after that and couldn't go back.

I don't think Remake Aerith was from the future, I was under the impression she just had future memories, which she notes in Rebirth the whispers all took aware when they touched her (I assume in the scene at the beginning of Chapter 17). Ditto for Red who iirc she was having that conversation with, I think in the Junon hotel?

then again I thought Remake Sephiroth was 100% from the future and bascially second-guessed myself out of that too post-Rebirth, who knows.

foolm0r0n posted...

It's the same with Zack too, but a bit trickier because Seph apparently was able to cut part of Zack's lifestream consciousness away? It seemed like Zack ended up in the real world after that and couldn't go back.

Yeah it is tricky because on one hand you're saying it's consciousness only that can shift but like, we watched Sephiroth cut a hole in reality and send Zack, body and all, tumbling through it? That's a lot more than just his mind/consciousness??? Actually come to think of it we saw Aerith do the same thing with Cloud in the church too. Or is it, like... the "reality hole" is just something the mind perceives, so the consciousness goes tumbling through it while the body stays behind? really I just need to stop thinking about this, lol.

Edit: also I forgot to mention that I agree w/ you that the o.g. Temple experience was better presented than Rebirth's (and I still recommend you play the original game, though since you've gone this far without it you could always hold off until Remake pt. 3 is done I guess...!)

I really believe Aerith in the final cutscene is just Cloud being manipulated. Could be just bad directing, but I didn't feel like she was behaving like real Aerith at all. Also mentioned Meteor out of nowhere.

Also wanna say the final line about the sky in Remake was probably changed because it wasn't about leaving under Midgar but about the freaking rifts in the sky.

MartinFF7 posted...

Yeah it is tricky because on one hand you're saying it's consciousness only that can shift but like, we watched Sephiroth cut a hole in reality and send Zack, body and all, tumbling through it? That's a lot more than just his mind/consciousness??? Actually come to think of it we saw Aerith do the same thing with Cloud in the church too. Or is it, like... the "reality hole" is just something the mind perceives, so the consciousness goes tumbling through it while the body stays behind? really I just need to stop thinking about this, lol.

I think it was just consciousness in both cases. Represented as body. But when they wake up, they do so from consciousness only.

In Cloud's case, you can imagine his body went comatose again after Aerith sent him away. Then Seph killed both of them a few seconds later in the church. Seph always kills Aerith, Zack always dies by platoon fire, etc

On a much broader note, I really can't tell if mako is supposed to be fossil fuels or nuclear energy. It's a limited resource that is eating away the planet, which points to fossil fuels. But it also destroys local towns and creates weapons of mass destruction like nuclear.

afaik Japan and pretty much everywhere was super against nuclear in the 90s so that would make sense. But nowadays fossil fuels climate change is the much bigger issue with nuclear seen as a solution. And "don't look up" is often a reference to climate change.

So are they trying to play both sides here? Are they just anti energy and growth in general? In which case mako would be more of an indictment of the 90s bubble economy?

foolm0r0n posted...

Are they just anti energy and growth in general?

I'm not sure they have such radical ideas, but there are certain parts of the original ending that kind of promotes that.

I beat the game. Very pleased they did not in fact revert Aerith death. This multiverse stuff might be a please everyone and have the cool characters around in some capacity but whatever. They keep a good job making me doubt it would happen and keep the suspense. Also I thought I had heard somewhere this game would not actually reach that point before it came out but maybe I was mistaken.

The worst theories/hopes the past four years were by far the "Tifa dies instead" ones and it's nice getting that deconfirmed after having told people for almost 4 years that there would literally be 0% chance. Not only is it completely random it's also the party member with the smost plot relevance in the rest of the game not named Cloud and they even started hinting towards Tifa knowing Cloud remembers things wrong this game which was not resolved.

Overall very happy. It's close to perfect. A few sections drag a bit, some stuff is a bit too messy, but I even enjoyed every single minigame not called Cactuar Crush. What a ride that was.

BK_Sheikah00 posted...

I really believe Aerith in the final cutscene is just Cloud being manipulated. Could be just bad directing, but I didn't feel like she was behaving like real Aerith at all. Also mentioned Meteor out of nowhere.

Yeah Max has me pretty convinced lol. Her mentioning Meteor is the biggest flag imo.

Red sensing Aerith is too intentional for me to think it's ALL in Cloud's head. Also they learned about the meteor plan at the end of Remake I believe.

i mean they also learned about meteor in the Temple? she was praying for holy to stop meteor after all?? what's the point in manipulating Cloud by making him see Aerith, it's not changing anything. I still need to watch all the Max theorycrafting but I don't get that.

skullbone posted...

Red sensing Aerith is too intentional for me to think it's ALL in Cloud's head

One more theory that would explain this. We've only seen a few people sensitive to the lifestream. Aerith and Seph seem to be able to manipulate it and jump around on demand. Cloud and Zack can traverse it but can't control it. Red can just sense it.

Aerith can do so because she's Cetra. The rest only have 1 commonality, which is that Hojo did some mako shenanigans on them. Hojo accidentally tuned them into the lifestream. Zack and Cloud had the heaviest dose, so they are more sensitive to it, and specifically attuned to each other's consciousnesses. Aerith helps their sensitivity too, especially Cloud's. But even before meeting Aerith, Cloud channeled a ton of Zack's lifestream, which is how he was able to become so strong in under a week. The Seph clones channel Seph's lifestream in the same way (but weaker), which is how Roche got stronger and became able to do some Heartless Angel style attacks.

Seph got some lifestream sensitivity at some point, but started going deeper with the help of Jenova. In the Japanese, he mentions that he absorbed all of the Ancient's knowledge, which is probably how he became able to manipulate the lifestream like a Cetra.

I would bet that the end of the next game will be like how the TTGL movies change the original TTGL ending. Everyone will become a Cetra God and combine to defeat Super God Sephiroth. They already teased it with Tifa. She will merge with her dad, Barret will merge with Dyne, Cait will merge with Dio, Cloud will merge with Aerith, and they will all do a Super Holy to finish off the game. You'll have to press L2 and R2 87 times in a row to pull it off.

I just don't understand the idea that she "seems weird" or different in a manipulative way at the end. Seems like typical air-headed Aerith to me. She mentions sending up smoke and stuff. It might be bad writing but I don't think there's Jenova flags there. And the way it's directed, with a purposeful nod to the original art and her saying "goodbye?" Yeah, that's not an evil Aerith at all to me.

Also I think they handled Cid and Vincent alright, but it's shame they're just straight up not around for the scenes in the temple. I get not playable, but they could be there in scenes and just not battle easily. It's in particular weird with how they had Vincent join you but Cid feels like the bigger loss because he isn't optional.

"Purest of materia... With pain and spite made black." Maybe it also explains how the clear Materia turns into a Black Materia for Cloud in the end.

thank you youtube algorithm, my watching a ton of Rebirth stuff (mostly songs) finally came in handy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVmLMLes1mI

I'm at the final boss stretch in Hard Mode, but I've put it off for like three days because I really don't want to intelligently allocate Materia for every fucking party member.

First time through, I swear I counted 11 phases to the final boss stretch.

I think you were supposed to have all characters fully decked out in materia all game long, right?

As soon as I started Rebirth I was like "oh yeah, Remake's final dungeon wanted me to have everyone fully equipped, so I'ma do that for the entire game this time, so it's not a rude awakening later" and it definitely made the game more fun IMO.

Plus even characters not currently in the party, gain AP on their equipped materia right? So that's another reason to have everyone fully decked out at all times. (COULD be wrong about this.)

Yeah, I've usually kept everyone fully slotted to maximize AP growth (two of my three Elementals are MAX, and the third is close), but apart from the main party - usually Cloud/Tifa/Aerith - I rarely give consideration to what everyone's actually got equipped. I think it's the combination of actually strategizing for six characters in conjunction with like an hour of final boss phases that's really keeping me from jumping in.

Epyo posted...

I think you were supposed to have all characters fully decked out in materia all game long, right?

Yes, and you're also right about any members in your (total, not just controllable/playable) party gain AP. But the problem is the best materia are only available in quantities of 1 or 2 in the main game. So everytime I hear the "you're supposed to keep your party outfitted" it just rings so hollow for me because anytime there's a party switch, I'm in the menu switching those best materia. Of course I want my active party to have first strike, elemental, magnify, strength/magic/speed plus etc. So yeah, some pretty lengthy materia swap sessions in Gongaga, Nibelheim and the Temple (among probably others not immediately coming to mind)

YoBlazer posted...

I think it's the combination of actually strategizing for six characters in conjunction with like an hour of final boss phases that's really keeping me from jumping in.

My plan was to build out my team based on when the characters appear in the final boss sequence, because I was hoping it was set in stone, but I've watched two final boss streams and there were differences in either.

Basically while a ton of phases happen, Jenova and Sephiroth Reborn have two distinct phases with the main party w/ character switches.

For Jenova (Cloud in both phases):
-Stream #1: Tifa/Yuffie for phase 1 then Red/Cait phase 2
-Stream #2: Barret/Yuffie for phase 1 then Tifa/Cait phase 2

For Reborn, they each had Barret/Cait in phase 1 and Red/Yuffie in phase 2, but:
-Stream #1 had Tifa phase 1 and Barret phase 2 (so Barret in the full fight)
-Stream #2 had Red phase 1 and Tifa phase 2 (so Red in the full fight)

is it random? is it based on relationship percentage? haven't further investigated. Common thread seems to be whichever character doesn't appear in the main two phases of the Jenova fight (i.e. ignoring the "2 on 1" segments) appears in both phases of the Sephiroth fight, and there is the "hold square" menuing opportunity after Jenova so you could fully outfit that character/make them a designated healer knowing they'll be there the whole Seph fight, at least.

Also, Stream 1 had the Barret date and Stream 2 had the Aerith date - which obviously won't impact either of those fights, but wonder if it's a coincidence that Barret was in both rounds of the Seph fight when Barret was the date, and maybe Red was #2 relationship for the Aerith dater. I had the Red date on my first run and I don't remember my first battle sequence but considering how pissed I remember being, I wouldn't be surprised if Red was in both phases of the Reborn fight for me.

(edit: just looked up someone who had the Tifa date and the teams for that person match the "Stream #1" person who had the Barret date. Maybe it is just random, damn)

(edit #2: another Tifa dater with Tifa/Red in Jenova phase 1, Yuffie/Cait phase 2, so that's unique; Reborn phases matched Stream #1 and the other Tifa dater so the "not in Jenova fight = in full Reborn fight" still holds up)

Anyways, I just have Cait Sith solo and the last two legendary fights and then I'll be tackling Chapter 14 hard mode myself, to finally be done.... I would also be super super happy to have my favourite playable (Tifa) showing up in phase 2 both fights when the battle is more intense than early on. Guess we'll see.

Still helps the materia preparation just having things like HD Up, MP Up, Healing, Revival, Prayer on all at all times. Precision Dodge and Steadfast Block too I would say. Revival is useless in solo sections but yeah.

Here's the secret: Any time they force a party, they make the game super easy so you can win even if you don't have any materia equipped.

Especially if the party doesn't include Cloud, there's basically no chance of losing. There's a couple exceptions to this, but definitely none in the final stretch.

You really just need to have Cloud well equipped at all times (Haste, Block, etc). It helps to have Cure and Revive on many people but even that's optional because you can always use items instead. Item Economizer is pretty awesome for that actually, since it significantly saves ATB more than any other materia.

Oh you're talking about hard mode nvm

I don't think I used Prayer once on first playthrough but it's definitely useful to have on all when MP Consumption is the main villain.

Other than the about, Elemental (and the elements) and Magnify are the best things imo. First Strike, Time, Barrier, Warding all very nice to have high levels of, and of course all the stat boosts help.

Can you put the HP <-> MP Swap on someone you're not using anyway and then have basically unlimited MP outside of battle? In that case that gets up there as well.

Soundtrack is out and boy I am excited to listen to it BUT already facing disappointment. The 2nd thing I checked (after the array of final battle songs) is the chill jazzy Turks theme when you've got your bench opportunity between the Abzu and Turks fights and that song's NOT on the OST, at least where it should be between those fights. Fingers crossed it's some random other spot on the OST for some reason, or on the "bonus" 8th disc which iirc was just going to contain minigame music so wouldn't make sense to put it there. Otherwise will need to wait for the Rebirth Plus album, damn.

Couldn't include that but had to include 11 Loveless tracks...

ctesjbuvf posted...

Can you put the HP <-> MP Swap on someone you're not using anyway and then have basically unlimited MP outside of battle? In that case that gets up there as well.

You can & that's what I did. Though I didn't in Temple on hard mode since that person would get switched to at some point, and be down whatever MP was used after switching it off them when they were active. Man I abused the benches in there, lol.

Revival materia is in this game?? Wow I never found a single one, and I thought I did basically everything on my normal playthrough, besides endgame stuff. Although I did notice I had Revival Materia Earrings in my bag near the end, don't even remember getting those.

MartinFF7 posted...

Soundtrack is out and boy I am excited to listen to it BUT already facing disappointment. The 2nd thing I checked (after the array of final battle songs) is the chill jazzy Turks theme when you've got your bench opportunity between the Abzu and Turks fights and that song's NOT on the OST, at least where it should be between those fights. Fingers crossed it's some random other spot on the OST for some reason, or on the "bonus" 8th disc which iirc was just going to contain minigame music so wouldn't make sense to put it there. Otherwise will need to wait for the Rebirth Plus album, damn.

Couldn't include that but had to include 11 Loveless tracks...

Is it only 175 songs? I thought the full OST was over 400 songs.

Epyo posted...

Revival materia is in this game?? Wow I never found a single one, and I thought I did basically everything on my normal playthrough, besides endgame stuff. Although I did notice I had Revival Materia Earrings in my bag near the end, don't even remember getting those.

You get them a bit late, chapter 7 I think the first shows up, but eventually you can buy them from vending machines.

MacArrowny posted...

Is it only 175 songs? I thought the full OST was over 400 songs.

yeah the "Plus" album is going to be a full OST all on its own, seriously. Lots of little songs just didn't make the cut here, more I can think of since I made that initial post were Cait Sith's fight theme vs. Ying & Yang, the song when Tifa & Aerith enter the beach, and the beach battle song before Gastropod. They included some of the character theme variations in the Gold Saucer but I know a ton are missing there too. Probably more cutscene tracks missing, or "little song moments" missing like the Turks colosseum bench theme I mentioned before. I wonder if the "over 400 songs" also included Remake tracks making an appearance here. There's no Terror of the Deep theme so I'm assuming that was a Remake retread?

hell, for Nibelheim the OST is just overworld theme, battle edit, chocobo theme, and then Forgotten Specimen and Galian Beast. Were there original songs in the town, trip to the reactor, reactor, Diabolic Creation, and more w/ Cait Sith besides the Ying & Yang one I mentioned? Did the final Roche fight get its own theme? Shit that also means there's no "Nightmare Begins"/Vincent's theme, unless it's out of place on the OST but I don't think so. We definitely heard that when they first met Vincent didn't we?

So yeah... lots missing. Wonder if the piano renditions will also count towards the 400. I'd need to listen to the full OST a few times (and the Disc 8 that I'm missing) and then play the game again w/o skipping any cutscenes, and I could probably pick up on more of what's lacking at that point.

Epyo posted...

Revival materia is in this game?? Wow I never found a single one, and I thought I did basically everything on my normal playthrough, besides endgame stuff.

It's sold in vending machines, where I'm pretty sure I picked up all mine (7 for the hard mode run just in case, lol). Can't recall if it could be found in the field, pretty certain it wasn't ever a quest, enemy or boss reward.

vending machines????? omg I scrolled through every vending machine, can't believe I never noticed Revival... the heck is wrong with me.

I actually thought it was a really interesting design choice to not give us Revive at all, and to barely have any Magnify (I only found 2). Makes you adapt in different ways, then maybe they bring them back for part 3 and you're all like "wow I missed these"...

I have a very defensive strategy in this game, so I hardly ever had a character faint anyways. Used maybe 10 phoenix downs all game long...

I used pretty much no items all game until chapter 14 where I used like 50 (phoenix down, giga potions, mist megas)

The thing with Revival is you can use it in summon fights, but you can't use items

My MVP materia for Hard mode were Magnify, Elemental, Magic Focus, MP Absorption and Swiftcast (plus multiple copies of all the elemental materia). I think I just did a lot of more magic-based builds and play than most people did.

And yeah the OST selection is pretty disappointing in many respects. Where's Salmon's theme? The piano/strings version of the Cosmo Canyon theme? The version of Yuffie's theme when climbing Corel? Gah.

There's a guy putting a playlist up on Youtube of the great majority of songs here that's worth a listen too:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqoNvBHIgpJF3bPBOVLGTeXaHtvLGe7-w

And a version with only unreleased tracks below. The range and quality of this soundtrack is a marvel for the ages. I doubt I will listen to many better in my life.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqoNvBHIgpJHQGIQwOF6t4ZQfnUWOnqcI

Kotetsu534 posted...

Where's Salmon's theme? The piano/strings version of the Cosmo Canyon theme? The version of Yuffie's theme when climbing Corel? Gah.

Salmon's theme is on Disc 8, it's the "Stamp - Rebirth" & Battle Edit ones at the end (I assume, I don't have it/haven't listened yet but Disc 8 is designated the bonus "minigame/sidequest" CD). As are all the Kyrie songs I really like, damn... The Yuffie theme in Mt. Corel was "Descendant of Shinobi" off the Intergrade soundtrack I believe, not something new? And that version of the Cosmo Canyon theme, don't recall that one/when it plays in the game but sounds like more "Rebirth Plus OST" fare.

Thanks for those playlists, I will check them out! Even with the OST out these unofficial listings are still great in some ways, like one thing for me is Anuran Suppressor, love that song, found a channel where a guy had 4 minutes for each phase; in the OST it's a single 3 1/2 minute track! Which also reminds me to start saving copies of the 30 minute extended loops of some songs I've saved up, wonder if they've been dodging the copyright striking since the OST hadn't come out yet but I remember how tough it was for any songs to stay on youtube after Remake was out...

The version I'm talking about is this one:

Brave Leader Yuffie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcn95uz777E

Compared to Intermission's Descendent of Shinobi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IA1bXlm3U&t=1995s

And it'd be great if Stamp's themes are on there - I'd just seen several reports from people with the OST that they are not (although they are on the bonus physical CD...). E.g. This post at Resetera from a guy who seems to know his stuff:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-ost-discussion-soundtrack-available-now-39-99-on-itunes-amazon-music.807642/post-121512318

I'll just quote it for ease of reference too:

"- The popular Stamp theme, among other's such as Kyrie's theme and the remix of Beck's Badasses, are not on the digital OST. They are on the bonus disc of the special edit version, which going by Remake, will never be released to digital platforms at all. The tracklist for that can be found here under disc 8.

- Aside from those, you're not going crazy if you still feel there's a ton of other missing tracks. These have a chance to appear on the Original Soundtrack Plus, which going by the timing of Remake's, should release around the end of this year. Remake's included a bunch of cutscene themes and variations on existing themes, but honestly Rebirth's has way bigger shoes to fill as there's a ton of essential tracks just straight up not here, imo. Nevertheless, here's Remake's just for comparison. This should also come to digital platforms, going by Remake's.

I'm really hoping that *maybe* that bonus disc makes it onto the OST plus, as Stamp's theme has become incredibly popular as well as the fact that Remake's bonus disc was just the jukebox arrangements whereas Rebirth's feels much more essential to the overall OST, but I don't wanna get my hopes up."

oh yeah, no Disc 8 on digital release makes sense... someone will rip it off their CD eventually (ideally sooner than later). The Stamp themes will be there and make their way online in due time!! I mean, I have some pretty good sounding 30 minute loops of both regular and battle edits of it already so I'm set, lol.

I guess they have to hold on to some good tracks for the Plus soundtrack, literally the only two I remember from Remake's were the "Under the Rotting Pizza - Battle Edit" (which was a travesty to not be on the original OST of course), and "Ghoulish Symphony" which included the little musical building at the start of the Ghoul fight before the theme kicks in proper. And Specimen H0512 I guess but it really felt like an extended Crab Warden.

Between the missing Yuffie theme (thanks for linking - I do remember that in-game!), and Vincent and Cait Sith themes i mentioned, Aerith/Tifa on the beach, probably more Aerith Theme motif tracks missing, Cosmo Canyon piano one you mentioned. didn't include Cissnei's "Under the Apple Tree" either and I'm pretty sure it wasn't a 100% copy of the CC version. So yeah, definitely seems like they are holding back on a good chunk of character themes specifically (beyond just generic cutscene music & some other tracks) to fill out and entice eventual purchases of Plus.

Epyo posted...

vending machines????? omg I scrolled through every vending machine, can't believe I never noticed Revival... the heck is wrong with me.

I actually thought it was a really interesting design choice to not give us Revive at all, and to barely have any Magnify (I only found 2). Makes you adapt in different ways, then maybe they bring them back for part 3 and you're all like "wow I missed these"...

I have a very defensive strategy in this game, so I hardly ever had a character faint anyways. Used maybe 10 phoenix downs all game long...

I think they're only in vending machines in the last few chapters. Magnify you only find two of though you can get a third from a brutal challenge post game.

I'm having difficulty finding the track that plays directly after you defeat Roche for the first time in Junon. It's one of my favorites. Could anyone help find this one for me?

Someone create a GPT that searches FF7R soundtracks for the 7 second clip of music that you're looking for

It's like 30 seconds OK? VGM music back in the NES days were all like that long, don't try and shame me here I'll kick your ass.

Track listing goes from the Roche battle theme to queens blood (boat) tracks so, not looking good for your song being on OST. Ideally it's a repeat from Remake or Intermission? Otherwise would need to wait for Plus soundtrack.

Ok just pulled up someone's stream and I dont recall this song pre-Rebirth so yeah, unless it's out of place on OST, going to need to wait. Whenever I listen through soundtrack I'll keep an ear out for it.

Thanks MartinFF7!