Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Topic 9: And I Will Always Love You

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I would prefer you bombed them but that gives an out for them to pair. So I'd rather just kill Kirby

Lopen posted...

I would prefer you bombed them but that gives an out for them to pair. So I'd rather just kill Kirby

That's dumb. They have to kill me tonight

It almost seems like how this day played out it should almost be Kirby v Lopen and Corrik decide who dies.

I would play that game but I might lose because Corriks read of eod1 is bad

How about every breaks up.

So pass

Everyone

I will say if Kirby, Ulti, and Sultan are all town, then Lopen is probably scum. I'm not confident enough to say all three of those are town, which is why I haven't been pushing for Lopen much on my own. But it is something to consider.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

It almost seems like how this day played out it should almost be Kirby v Lopen and Corrik decide who dies.

do you have a preference for who Corrik should choose in that situation or are you just suggesting you're okay with letting either of them die

I agree. My lynch says a lot more about the game state than yours, Dumey.

I mean, everyone who has actually thought about how EoD D1 worked out knows how unlikely it is that I'm scum. But it'll force players like Lopen, Isquen, and Sultan to actually think about their reads more thoroughly.

Mzero as scum likely can breeze thru by claiming he needs a date prior due to timezones and thus is never considered.

EDumey posted...

Kirby, Ulti, and Sultan are all town, then Lopen is probably scum

If they are all town I might as well be

Actually who do you want dead Corrik this is your last day afterall right?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Actually who do you want dead Corrik this is your last day afterall right?

Both are probably town. So does it matter

Corrik7 posted...

How about every breaks up.

MZero is gone for the day, and Isquen is saved by virtue of being paired with him.
Ulti has declared his intent to save Sultan no matter what today.
Chris is going to be saved today because his role is confirmable.

Our options are everyone else who remains.

Corrik7 posted...

Mzero as scum likely can breeze thru by claiming he needs a date prior due to timezones and thus is never considered.

this is a serious flaw with the game format.

not that it's chang's fault or anything, but it really does warp what we can do with mzero

Chaeix posted...

do you have a preference for who Corrik should choose in that situation or are you just suggesting you're okay with letting either of them die

Well Kirby is my top Scum read and I had Lopen as town. Lopen has been tricky this game.. he comes off as town to me though. He isn't nessisarily kingmakerong he is just pin pointed in. Plus he is willing to suicide into Kirby and that is like something a team of 2 scum wouldn't do.

I'm not breaking up sorry

FD and Chris obviously shouldn't

Corrik7 posted...

Both are probably town. So does it matter

Well yes. But maybe we could get the right break ups to get the pool to something else?

Corrik7 posted...

Mzero as scum likely can breeze thru by claiming he needs a date prior due to timezones and thus is never considered.

Welcome to the point I tried to make twice today, to no avail.

I was tempted to break up with MZero day 2 even, but with 6 hours remaining and no idea who would end up on the chopping block it would be hard to sacrifice a sleeping MZero to save an as of yet unknown person.

If he's scum the only way he gets lynched is if everyone is paired up at one of the 12-hour intervals and he hasn't found a pair yet, otherwise he's conveniently locked in and protected by the schedule.

EDumey posted...

MZero is gone for the day, and Isquen is saved by virtue of being paired with him.
Ulti has declared his intent to save Sultan no matter what today.
Chris is going to be saved today because his role is confirmable.

Our options are everyone else who remains.

Lopen posted...

I'm not breaking up sorry

FD and Chris obviously shouldn't

And them's the breaks.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well yes. But maybe we could get the right break ups to get the pool to something else?

Mzero makes it impossible and he should have been focused on more this game.

Kirby321 posted...

But it'll force players like Lopen, Isquen, and Sultan to actually think about their reads more thoroughly.

Sounds like you think I'm town now

Corrik please break up

I mean, gonna be real, if MZero didn't go ham on Sultan today, he might've been up for consideration for the lynch.

If Sultan is town, scum MZero might've saw him as an easy target to make arguments against and thus make himself look better, especially since everybody was harping on Sultan.

Has MZero been scumhunting anyone else?

And breakups have to be mutual...
Yeah...

Thought of this day 1 and day 2 thar Break ups being mutual kind if hinders some things

Kirby doesn't swing from thinking I'm lock scum to saying "well when I'm town he'll reevaluate his reads"

Man I rose a big stink about strategizing around MZero D2 and no one really acknowledged it.

Kirby321 posted...

I mean, gonna be real, if MZero didn't go ham on Sultan today, he might've been up for consideration for the lynch.

If Sultan is town, scum MZero might've saw him as an easy target to make arguments against and thus make himself look better, especially since everybody was harping on Sultan.

Has MZero been scumhunting anyone else?

That was my main argument againt Mzero. I thought his top scum read other than me was Ulti and he denied it saying he didn't like ulti but it "wasn't a top scum read"

Corrik7 posted...

Mzero makes it impossible and he should have been focused on more this game.

Maybe if you showed up before the final 4 hours we could have worked together on that -_-

Or if you bothered to pay attention to the game mechanics and found your own self a date early on we could have put MZero in a position where he was running out of dating options. But for yet another day you have completely put off the fundamental game mechanic until the very end of the day and the only person who could have possibly been killed by the 12-hour rule would have been you.

Well, it's experimental for a reason. On the other hand, without the mutual breakups, players like MZero and Death would've inadvertently died first because of B8's tendency to scramble at the last moment.

The mutual breakups feels a bit more fair since people are forced to commit early and think their decisions through. I can't stress that logically EoD D1 should've never happened lol

Kirby is 100% scum and he's milking this martyr thing as long as he can to gain more town points by playing chicken

Please take your date back Corrik.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

And breakups have to be mutual...
Yeah...

Thought of this day 1 and day 2 thar Break ups being mutual kind if hinders some things

You didn't think of it until Mzero was long gone and there were only 2 hours left in the day, you get no credit for your attempt to unvote MZero during the mutual only period.

Date Dumey

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You didn't think of it until Mzero was long gone and there were only 2 hours left in the day, you get no credit for your attempt to unvote MZero during the mutual only period.

To be fair I forgot that was a thing...

Kirby321 posted...

it'll force players like Lopen, Isquen, and Sultan to actually think about their reads more thoroughly

This is such bull

Look at how he has called me scum all day

Now he thinks I'm town who will play ok if he flips town?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Maybe if you showed up before the final 4 hours we could have worked together on that -_-

Or if you bothered to pay attention to the game mechanics and found your own self a date early on we could have put MZero in a position where he was running out of dating options. But for yet another day you have completely put off the fundamental game mechanic until the very end of the day and the only person who could have possibly been killed by the 12-hour rule would have been you.

My son had wrestling tournaments from 6am to 7pm yesterday. I was busy.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Maybe if you showed up before the final 4 hours we could have worked together on that -_-

Or if you bothered to pay attention to the game mechanics and found your own self a date early on we could have put MZero in a position where he was running out of dating options. But for yet another day you have completely put off the fundamental game mechanic until the very end of the day and the only person who could have possibly been killed by the 12-hour rule would have been you.

Surprisingly, maybe Red had the right approach of going, "I'm not going to be around most of the day, so someone claim me so I don't affect EoD." lmao.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Maybe if you showed up before the final 4 hours we could have worked together on that -_-

Or if you bothered to pay attention to the game mechanics and found your own self a date early on we could have put MZero in a position where he was running out of dating options. But for yet another day you have completely put off the fundamental game mechanic until the very end of the day and the only person who could have possibly been killed by the 12-hour rule would have been you.

I think I may have been the only one to think thru the date mechanics tbqh.

This is such a throw unless it's Kirby Dumey

Ironically good solving if it is though

As desperate as lopen is getting, I think Kirby is the right choice to save.

Lopen posted...

This is such a throw unless it's Kirby Dumey

Ironically good solving if it is though

This even seems like a hedge kinda.

Corrik7 posted...

This even seems like a hedge kinda.

So you think the scum is me x Dumey?

Lol

Lopen posted...

So you think the scum is me x Dumey?

Lol

I think you are painting the picture by how you are acting. Unfortunately, scum is probably isquen and mzero methinks.

I think if Kirby survives here he's basically unlynchable and wins despite data

Lopen posted...

I think if Kirby survives here he's basically unlynchable and wins despite data

And what data is that

Edumey, do you think Kirby is scum? If so, why?

Kirby do you think edumey is scum? If so why?

As a general note before we head into next day if we flip a town:

7 is Mylo, as has been discussed already. Scum can not pair at 7 if they want to win at 5. So, they will have very strong incentive to pair up with each other at 9 so they can't pair at 7 by virtue of the rules.

Please for the love of everything don't pair up early, given that.

And also as mentioned before, this does make Ulti + Sultan pairing today somewhat less suspicious because they're preventing themselves from pairing at 9.

"He's got so much guts scum would never do that"

Dumey on the other hand becomes more catchable if Kirby flips because we get evidence "yes there was a gambit"

And of course Dumey could just flip town

I'll be honest Corrik, if you're at the point where you have a coin flip in front of you and you think both are town, it's best to let Kirby go because we need to focus on Sultan/Mzero/Isquen next day and not have the whole Lopen/Kirby thing still hanging over our heads.

Chaeix posted...

I'll be honest Corrik, if you're at the point where you have a coin flip in front of you and you think both are town, it's best to let Kirby go because we need to focus on Sultan/Mzero/Isquen next day and not have the whole Lopen/Kirby thing still hanging over our heads.

Just ignore him. It's not hard. You wanna kill someone so lopen will shut up but he will just not shut up about someone else then.