Current Events > Dominant Swimmer gets disqualified after winning for celebrating.

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Brianfellow posted...

Fucking CE. Dude literally broke a rule and yall are mad. It's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Fair next

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StealThisSheen posted...

Looking into it further, the rule he broke is actually flimsy.

The reason there's uproar about it is the "Subject to discretion" part. He, objectively, did not interfere with another swimmer. It doesn't say anything about crossing lanes, it specifically says "interfere with another swimmer." The referee chose to disqualify him based on their "discretion" of an extremely flimsy rule.

Basically, the ruling is highly suspect.

Maybe diving into the other lane could have distracted the other swimmers or created turbulence in the water that would affect their final time?

idk

The_Korey posted...

Uh huh. That's getting arrested for shoplifting ingredients and framing it as "They arrested me for baking a pie." He was not disqualified "for celebrating".

Why do the most half-assed attempts at komprehension always feel the need to imply someone else is dumb?

It's more like getting arrested for trespassing because after making the pie you tripped and an inch of your elbow touched a blade of grass on the outskirts of someone's land.

LeoRavus posted...

idk. I kind of agree with this. Can't have people playing in the water while others are still competing

I can see where you're coming from, but to disqualify him and take his hard-earned win away? Why not ban him from the next competition or something? Not only are they just going by the letter of the rule but not the spirit, the punishment doesn't fit the crime for me.

There was a good post on Reddit from an actual swimming ref that explained why this rule is in affect.

It basically came down to creating excess waves in the pool while others are competing can affect their visibility as they are trying to finish (plus just poor sportsmanship). And the lane dividers can also break easily, you are never supposed to get on them.

He said these are not some obscure rules, basically every swimmer knows you can't do this and you will be disqualified for it. So there wasn't much sympathy for this guy.

LeoRavus posted...

Maybe diving into the other lane could have distracted the other swimmers or created turbulence in the water that would affect their final time?

idk. I kind of agree with this. Can't have people playing in the water while others are still competing

He didn't "dive," though. He just kinda... Slowly plopped. And then hugged his teammate.

Like, there's a reason this is met with universal disdain. There hasn't been a single analyst who has been able to come up with a reason for why this should have been a disqualification. It's just "...We have no idea why the ref ruled this way."

opopopza posted...

There was a good post on Reddit from an actual swimming ref that explained why this rule is in affect.

It basically came down to creating excess waves in the pool while others are competing can affect their visibility as they are trying to finish (plus just poor sportsmanship). And the lane dividers can also break easily, you are never supposed to get on them.

He said these are not some obscure rules, basically every swimmer knows you can't do this and you will be disqualified for it. So there wasn't much sympathy for this guy.

I'm gonna question this, only because a "Swimming ref" on Reddit is saying something that appears to be in direct conflict with what... Actual swimming refs/analysts are saying. Did said ref on Reddit actually provide proof that they are what they say they are? Because when it comes to actual provable analysts in the media, they all seem to almost universally "No, this was a dumb call."

EDIT: Thinking about it, the "excess waves" thing doesn't even make sense, since you can create "excess waves" by celebrating in your own lane, which is NOT prohibited. He could have moved in jubilation in his own lane in celebration, which would have caused more waves than what he actually did caused, and there would have been no rule against it. Furthermore, you can cross into another lane WITHOUT causing waves at all, simply by... Going under the barrier. This explanation sounds rather made up.

Brianfellow posted...

Fucking CE. Dude literally broke a rule and yall are mad. It's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Fair next

If you're so good at following rules why does your 2016 account have 50 karma?

@BrianFellow (also ping the main of whoever's alt this is ESPECIALLY if their in purgatory or banned)

StealThisSheen posted...

I'm gonna question this, only because a "Swimming ref" on Reddit is saying something that appears to be in direct conflict with what... Actual swimming refs/analysts are saying. Did said ref on Reddit actually provide proof that they are what they say they are? Because when it comes to actual provable analysts in the media, they all seem to almost universally "No, this was a dumb call."

EDIT: Thinking about it, the "excess waves" thing doesn't even make sense, since you can create "excess waves" by splashing in your own lane, which is NOT prohibited. He could have splashed in his own lane in celebration, which would have caused more waves than what he actually did caused, and there would have been no rule against it.

I assume about 80% of Reddit posts are full of shit, but at least it gave a possible explanation. Most likely the ref just had a stick up his ass that day and didn't like the celebration at the end.

lmao you make more waves when actually swimming than he did, there's no way that reddit post is true.

opopopza posted...

Most likely the ref just had a stick up his ass that day and didn't like the celebration at the end.

This is likely the truth, yeah. It basically comes down to the ref deciding to enforce something he could technically enforce, but really shouldn't have.

While I understand the spirit of the rule (other swimmers were still finishing their lengths), the fact that both he and the person whom he "encroached" upon were both finished makes this fairly "ticky tack." You have to ask the question "does this violate the spirit of the rule" and it seems clear as day that it does not. He didn't cross lanes to impede the other swimmer, which is why the rule exists.

opopopza posted...

So there wasn't much sympathy for this guy.

There's overwhelmingly sympayhy for this guy XD

This it the most attention swimming has gotten outside of a country winning gold medals and it's making potential fans and people interested in the sport look at it with abject disgust.

And from a spectator point of view by fans of swimming, this is considered a joke.

UnfairRepresent posted...

There's overwhelmingly sympayhy for this guy XD

This it the most attention swimming has gotten outside of a country winning gold medals and it's making potential fans and people interested in the sport look at it with abject disgust.

And from a spectator point of view by fans of swimming, this is considered a joke.

Also, yeah, saying "No sympathy for the guy" is hilarious, since there is... Overwhelming sympathy for the guy, from viewers, sportscasters/analysts, and even literally the other people in the race.

StealThisSheen posted...

Also, yeah, saying "No sympathy for the guy" is hilarious, since there is... Overwhelming sympathy for the guy, from viewers, sportscasters/analysts, and even literally the other people in the race.

Yeah the guy who now "won" refused to go to the podium and used his interview time to call it bullshit.

opopopza posted...

There was a good post on Reddit from an actual swimming ref that explained why this rule is in affect.

It basically came down to creating excess waves in the pool while others are competing can affect their visibility as they are trying to finish (plus just poor sportsmanship). And the lane dividers can also break easily, you are never supposed to get on them.

Admittedly I know pretty much nothing about competitive swimming but that goes against what the vast majority of people who do follow the sport have said about the situation. He smacked the water in celebration pretty hard before getting up onto the lane divider but for that being supposed "poor sportsmanship" and potential disruption to the other swimmers that might cause, there doesn't seem to be anybody complaining about that.

Looking up articles about this whole thing led me down the rabbit hole of shitty sports rules and how Devon Allen was disqualified from a hurdles competition a couple years ago because the computer in the starting blocks said he started .099 seconds after the starting gun sounded and apparently you're not allowed to start until .1 second after because of bullshit about "the limit of human reaction time" and how "reacting" faster than that means they must have cheated by anticipating the starting gun or some such nonsense. Never mind that recent studies have shown that the actual possible best reaction time is probably closer to .08 seconds, it's such a ridiculously infinitesimal amount of time that nobody with the naked eye or even reviewing the footage frame by frame would see him starting any earlier than anybody else, and that humans have been running foot races for thousands of years and nobody's ever had a problem with a .001 second difference before computers were thrown into the equation. Like I get they want to make things as fair as possible but this is the kind of anal bullshit where in their attempts to be fair they seem to actually be making things more unfair in ridiculous ways instead.

ai123 posted...

That's why I'm asking if they had any choice.

No point in them ignoring the rule, only for it to get overturned by the governing body.

It looks like he didn't have a choice.

Article 1. b. A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.

Heat wasn't finished, so automatic DQ.

I better not see any posters justifying this jaywalking.

Ref should be disqualified from his job.

opopopza posted...

There was a good post on Reddit from an actual swimming ref that explained why this rule is in affect.

It basically came down to creating excess waves in the pool while others are competing can affect their visibility as they are trying to finish (plus just poor sportsmanship). And the lane dividers can also break easily, you are never supposed to get on them.

He said these are not some obscure rules, basically every swimmer knows you can't do this and you will be disqualified for it. So there wasn't much sympathy for this guy.

Oh please.

If "creating waves" is really such a problem (which I'm sure it isn't, but humoring it here), maybe these people should be doing their races one at a time.

WilliamPorygon posted...

Admittedly I know pretty much nothing about competitive swimming but that goes against what the vast majority of people who do follow the sport have said about the situation. He smacked the water in celebration pretty hard before getting up onto the lane divider but for that being supposed "poor sportsmanship" and potential disruption to the other swimmers that might cause, there doesn't seem to be anybody complaining about that.

Looking up articles about this whole thing led me down the rabbit hole of shitty sports rules and how Devon Allen was disqualified from a hurdles competition a couple years ago because the computer in the starting blocks said he started .099 seconds after the starting gun sounded and apparently you're not allowed to start until .1 second after because of bullshit about "the limit of human reaction time" and how "reacting" faster than that means they must have cheated by anticipating the starting gun or some such nonsense. Never mind that recent studies have shown that the actual possible best reaction time is probably closer to .08 seconds, it's such a ridiculously infinitesimal amount of time that nobody with the naked eye or even reviewing the footage frame by frame would see him starting any earlier than anybody else, and that humans have been running foot races for thousands of years and nobody's ever had a problem with a .001 second difference before computers were thrown into the equation. Like I get they want to make things as fair as possible but this is the kind of anal bullshit where in their attempts to be fair they seem to actually be making things more unfair in ridiculous ways instead.

Refs on ego trips right