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ArsGoetia 02/22/24 7:14:45 PM #51:	Skyrazer posted... I'm pretty sure Slaanesh came about during the age of strife which was before the great crusade. I remember hearing that Slaanesh was about 25k years old in the current 40k setting. The HH happened around 30k (or ~10k before current setting). As for the other gods, I thought they were all birthed after the war in heaven which was like 60 odd million years ago when the Necrons killed off the Old Ones. slaanesh was born around 30k during the fall of the eldar The Fall of the Aeldari in the early 30th Millennium was signalled by the birth-scream of Slaanesh, a tsunami of emotion and psychic power that heralded the Prince of Pleasure's arrival in the Realm of Chaos even as it shaped a new dominion within that dimension to serve as its home, the Dark Prince's Realm. khorne was born sometime between 1000-2000 CE Khorne is the mightiest and the oldest of the four major Chaos Gods, fully coming into existence in the Immaterium sometime during Terra's European Middle Ages in the early 2nd Millennium, its birth heralded by an era of wars and conflict that raged across the globe. nurgle was born supposedly after khorne implying plagues during the middle ages Nurgle was the third of the Chaos Gods to fully awaken within the Warp, emerging during the 2nd Millennium in the midst of Old Earth's European Middle Ages, as great plagues swept across the world heralding the god's birth. <cite>ArsGoetia posted [p:978988927] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>Skyrazer posted... </cite><quote>I'm pretty sure Slaanesh came about during the age of strife which was before the great crusade. I remember hearing that Slaanesh was about 25k years old in the current 40k setting. The HH happened around 30k (or ~10k before current setting).As for the other gods, I thought they were all birthed after the war in heaven which was like 60 odd million years ago when the Necrons killed off the Old Ones.</quote>slaanesh was born around 30k during the fall of the eldar<quote>The Fall of the Aeldari in the early 30th Millennium was signalled by the birth-scream of Slaanesh, a tsunami of emotion and psychic power that heralded the Prince of Pleasure's arrival in the Realm of Chaos even as it shaped a new dominion within that dimension to serve as its home, the Dark Prince's Realm.</quote>khorne was born sometime between 1000-2000 CE<quote>Khorne is the mightiest and the oldest of the four major Chaos Gods, fully coming into existence in the Immaterium sometime during Terra's European Middle Ages in the early 2nd Millennium, its birth heralded by an era of wars and conflict that raged across the globe.</quote>nurgle was born supposedly after khorne implying plagues during the middle ages<quote>Nurgle was the third of the Chaos Gods to fully awaken within the Warp, emerging during the 2nd Millennium in the midst of Old Earth's European Middle Ages, as great plagues swept across the world heralding the god's birth.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 7:14:48 PM #52:	luigi33 posted... Yeah they will be around until Tyranids eat up every single world and then be off to the next Galaxy. Arent the tyranids the only intergalactic threat? To my knowledge everything outside of the Milky Way is pretty much unknown territory and no one really has the means to travel that far. The Astronomicon doesnt reach there. Which pretty much makes the tyranids the biggest threat there is. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978988929] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>luigi33 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah they will be around until Tyranids eat up every single world and then be off to the next Galaxy.</quote>Arent the tyranids the only intergalactic threat? To my knowledge everything outside of the Milky Way is pretty much unknown territory and no one really has the means to travel that far. The Astronomicon doesnt reach there. Which pretty much makes the tyranids the biggest threat there is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 02/22/24 7:15:31 PM #53:	Taking this 40K shit more seriously then real life issues. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:978988946] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>Taking this 40K shit more seriously then real life issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ulfar 02/22/24 7:15:35 PM #54:	luigi33 posted... Yeah they will be around until Tyranids eat up every single world and then be off to the next Galaxy. Humanity could easily live in the shadows like the Eldar do. The Imperium is not the only thing fighting Tyranids, even Chaos has stopped from its mission on occasion to take them out. <cite>Ulfar posted [p:978988947] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>luigi33 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah they will be around until Tyranids eat up every single world and then be off to the next Galaxy.</quote>Humanity could easily live in the shadows like the Eldar do. The Imperium is not the only thing fighting Tyranids, even Chaos has stopped from its mission on occasion to take them out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi33 02/22/24 7:15:47 PM #55:	Big E's xenophobia to me has -always- been bad and unjustifiable. You had civilizations like the Interex which would have no doubt joined the Imperium and they were -not- a threat at all. Even had knowledge and actively hunted Chaos. It was really because they were a society that peacefully coexisted with Xenos as to why everything went to hell (oh, and Erebus). --- RTX 3070, Ryzen 7 5700x,16GB DDR4, 700WGold PSU Switch FC: SW-3966-2111-8902, Proud Steam Deck Owner <cite>luigi33 posted [p:978988952] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>Big E's xenophobia to me has -always- been bad and unjustifiable. You had civilizations like the Interex which would have no doubt joined the Imperium and they were -not- a threat at all. Even had knowledge and actively hunted Chaos. It was really because they were a society that peacefully coexisted with Xenos as to why everything went to hell (oh, and Erebus). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 7:18:25 PM #56:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... Taking this 40K shit more seriously then real life issues. Ive seen people discuss Warcraft politics as serious business too. Sylvanas apologists had/have a lot of overlap with Trumpers. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978989006] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... </cite><quote>Taking this 40K shit more seriously then real life issues.</quote>Ive seen people discuss Warcraft politics as serious business too. Sylvanas apologists had/have a lot of overlap with Trumpers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 7:19:44 PM #57:	luigi33 posted... Big E's xenophobia to me has -always- been bad and unjustifiable. You had civilizations like the Interex which would have no doubt joined the Imperium and they were -not- a threat at all. Even had knowledge and actively hunted Chaos. It was really because they were a society that peacefully coexisted with Xenos as to why everything went to hell (oh, and Erebus). That tends to happen with a forever war. Eventually it just becomes routine and most people dont even know/remember what theyre fighting about. Son, you are the 123th generation of your family to fight in this war. Dont ask questions, just listen. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978989029] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>luigi33 posted... </cite><quote>Big E's xenophobia to me has -always- been bad and unjustifiable. You had civilizations like the Interex which would have no doubt joined the Imperium and they were -not- a threat at all. Even had knowledge and actively hunted Chaos. It was really because they were a society that peacefully coexisted with Xenos as to why everything went to hell (oh, and Erebus).</quote>That tends to happen with a forever war. Eventually it just becomes routine and most people dont even know/remember what theyre fighting about.Son, you are the 123th generation of your family to fight in this war. Dont ask questions, just listen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArsGoetia 02/22/24 7:19:59 PM #58:	Dark_Arbron posted... Arent the tyranids the only intergalactic threat? To my knowledge everything outside of the Milky Way is pretty much unknown territory and no one really has the means to travel that far. The Astronomicon doesnt reach there. Which pretty much makes the tyranids the biggest threat there is. theoretically orks are also potentially the greatest threat since they're impossible to eradicate without literally destroying a planet, get stronger the longer they're left unchecked (literally a bioweapon designed to do so) and afaik there arent any current items in the lore that implicate tyranid-ork hybrids <cite>ArsGoetia posted [p:978989034] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Arent the tyranids the only intergalactic threat? To my knowledge everything outside of the Milky Way is pretty much unknown territory and no one really has the means to travel that far. The Astronomicon doesnt reach there. Which pretty much makes the tyranids the biggest threat there is.</quote>theoretically orks are also potentially the greatest threat since they're impossible to eradicate without literally destroying a planet, get stronger the longer they're left unchecked (literally a bioweapon designed to do so) and afaik there arent any current items in the lore that implicate tyranid-ork hybrids</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 02/22/24 7:32:33 PM #59:	My thought on the Big E always being genocidal towards xenos is he is, heretical I know, just a man. A super man but made of man. He might be evolved but his constituents parts are still man. He might be a man of logic, a man of science, but he is still somehow limited by his humaness. He sees a universe filled with danger. He is focused on the survival of mankind over all other things. He has concluded the universe of 40k is the Dark Forest and mankind must be the alpha predator to survive. Therefore, his calculations are cold and unable to overcome the natural instinct of humans to fear the other. Maybe his time on the throne and potential resurrection will open his eyes to other paths. Maybe his tremendous psychic power and time observing the universe will show him a path where mankind survives alongside other races. He is a logical man. Evidence or ideas could still sway him. His path of fire across the stars failed. His return, should it ever come, may not be one of indiscriminate conflagration throughout the forest. Who knows? --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:978989271] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>My thought on the Big E always being genocidal towards xenos is he is, heretical I know, just a man. A super man but made of man. He might be evolved but his constituents parts are still man. He might be a man of logic, a man of science, but he is still somehow limited by his humaness. He sees a universe filled with danger. He is focused on the survival of mankind over all other things. He has concluded the universe of 40k is the Dark Forest and mankind must be the alpha predator to survive. Therefore, his calculations are cold and unable to overcome the natural instinct of humans to fear the other.Maybe his time on the throne and potential resurrection will open his eyes to other paths. Maybe his tremendous psychic power and time observing the universe will show him a path where mankind survives alongside other races. He is a logical man. Evidence or ideas could still sway him. His path of fire across the stars failed. His return, should it ever come, may not be one of indiscriminate conflagration throughout the forest.Who knows? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trivialbeing 02/22/24 7:32:53 PM #60:	if you think the Imperium are bad, wait till you see what they're fighting against <cite>trivialbeing posted [p:978989277] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>if you think the Imperium are bad, wait till you see what they're fighting against</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rotterdammerung 02/22/24 7:40:03 PM #61:	luigi33 posted... I mean...I feel Imperium is one of the few fictional instances where you can actually justify that kind of government though. It speaks to how shifty fascism is though. For it to be justified: Hell has to actually exist, demons have to actually exist, and they have to be actively gunning for your entire species from all sides along with other objectively terrifying xenon threats like Orcs and Tyranids. That's the only way fascism is justified. Eh, in the Horus Heresy novels there are plenty of human societies that were flourishing and werent fascistic. The nascent Imperium of Man absorbed or destroyed them. --- Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things. GNU STP They/them <cite>Rotterdammerung posted [p:978989425] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>luigi33 posted... </cite><quote>I mean...I feel Imperium is one of the few fictional instances where you can actually justify that kind of government though. It speaks to how shifty fascism is though. For it to be justified: Hell has to actually exist, demons have to actually exist, and they have to be actively gunning for your entire species from all sides along with other objectively terrifying xenon threats like Orcs and Tyranids. That's the only way fascism is justified.</quote>Eh, in the Horus Heresy novels there are plenty of human societies that were flourishing and werent fascistic. The nascent Imperium of Man absorbed or destroyed them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyrazer 02/22/24 7:42:58 PM #62:	ArsGoetia posted... slaanesh was born around 30k during the fall of the eldar khorne was born sometime between 1000-2000 CE nurgle was born supposedly after khorne implying plagues during the middle ages Oh rightio. Only have a passing knowledge of 40k lore. I used to collect TT figures when I was a kid and since then, I've had a mild interest in 40k due to how bat** insane it is. --- Life - A sexually transmitted disease that always results in death. <cite>Skyrazer posted [p:978989481] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>ArsGoetia posted... </cite><quote>slaanesh was born around 30k during the fall of the eldarkhorne was born sometime between 1000-2000 CEnurgle was born supposedly after khorne implying plagues during the middle ages</quote>Oh rightio.Only have a passing knowledge of 40k lore. I used to collect TT figures when I was a kid and since then, I've had a mild interest in 40k due to how bat** insane it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX 02/22/24 7:52:30 PM #63:	Dark_Arbron posted... Ive seen people discuss Warcraft politics as serious business too. Sylvanas apologists had/have a lot of overlap with Trumpers. 40k has a subset of gamers that are wildly alt-right. If you want to stir up some shit at a games workshop casually compare the imperium to real world politics in some way and watch as they go full mask-off and don't stop talking. There are so many stupid warhammer players who don't understand that the imperium is a parody of fascism and instead think its awesome and unironic lol. People really into ww2 wargames who are obsessed with germany are almost always the same way, obviously. They tend to overlap with 40k and in that setting really love death korps of kreig and get really into customizing their kreig guys with RL nazi shit The tabletop scene has a lot of chud thats still being purged. --- AND THIS. IS TO POST. EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!!!!! I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer for all living things that cry out to post! <cite>XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted [p:978989673] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Ive seen people discuss Warcraft politics as serious business too. Sylvanas apologists had/have a lot of overlap with Trumpers.</quote>40k has a subset of gamers that are wildly alt-right. If you want to stir up some shit at a games workshop casually compare the imperium to real world politics in some way and watch as they go full mask-off and don't stop talking. There are so many stupid warhammer players who don't understand that the imperium is a parody of fascism and instead think its awesome and unironic lol.People really into ww2 wargames who are obsessed with germany are almost always the same way, obviously. They tend to overlap with 40k and in that setting really love death korps of kreig and get really into customizing their kreig guys with RL nazi shitThe tabletop scene has a lot of chud thats still being purged. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 02/22/24 8:36:26 PM #64:	luigi33 posted... Yeah they will be around until Tyranids eat up every single world and then be off to the next Galaxy. Nah, eventually Tyranids get hemmed in by Necros. The whole "assimilate any flesh" shtick doesn't work on an immortal undead army made of metal --- If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it? <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:978990447] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>luigi33 posted...</cite><quote>Yeah they will be around until Tyranids eat up every single world and then be off to the next Galaxy.</quote>Nah, eventually Tyranids get hemmed in by Necros. The whole "assimilate any flesh" shtick doesn't work on an immortal undead army made of metal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 02/22/24 9:01:54 PM #65:	DipDipDiver posted... Don't they literally sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people every day just to keep him alive? Sounds pretty MAGA-esque No. The Golden Throne keeps him alive. It's the Astronomican that slowly kills the people placed in to it. --- If you're not smart enough to survive, you are basically just food for something smarter. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:978990828] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>DipDipDiver posted... </cite><quote>Don't they literally sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people every day just to keep him alive? Sounds pretty MAGA-esque</quote>No. The Golden Throne keeps him alive. It's the Astronomican that slowly kills the people placed in to it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpawnShadow 02/22/24 9:15:44 PM #66:	40K, from everything I've heard of it, seems like the kind of universe where a supermassive black hole suddenly appearing and consuming everything would be more merciful than having to exist for even one day in there. <cite>SpawnShadow posted [p:978991076] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>40K, from everything I've heard of it, seems like the kind of universe where a supermassive black hole suddenly appearing and consuming everything would be more merciful than having to exist for even one day in there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 9:25:43 PM #67:	fire_bolt posted... Nah, eventually Tyranids get hemmed in by Necros. The whole "assimilate any flesh" shtick doesn't work on an immortal undead army made of metal Hee hee. As a Necron fan, this makes me happy. furb posted... he is, heretical I know, just a man. Talk like that will get you black bagged. Tread carefully. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978991233] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite><quote>Nah, eventually Tyranids get hemmed in by Necros. The whole "assimilate any flesh" shtick doesn't work on an immortal undead army made of metal</quote>Hee hee. As a Necron fan, this makes me happy.furb posted... </cite><quote>he is, heretical I know, just a man.</quote>Talk like that will get you black bagged. Tread carefully. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 02/22/24 10:54:46 PM #68:	SpawnShadow posted... 40K, from everything I've heard of it, seems like the kind of universe where a supermassive black hole suddenly appearing and consuming everything would be more merciful than having to exist for even one day in there. Almost entirely correct. For all the grimdark, there are a few isolated worlds where people can have genuinely decent lives. You'd have to have the luck a trillions to one, but there is a sliver of context for having your little communal farm family in the middle of nowhere. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:978992560] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>SpawnShadow posted... </cite><quote>40K, from everything I've heard of it, seems like the kind of universe where a supermassive black hole suddenly appearing and consuming everything would be more merciful than having to exist for even one day in there.</quote>Almost entirely correct. For all the grimdark, there are a few isolated worlds where people can have genuinely decent lives. You'd have to have the luck a trillions to one, but there is a sliver of context for having your little communal farm family in the middle of nowhere. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 10:55:49 PM #69:	SpawnShadow posted... 40K, from everything I've heard of it, seems like the kind of universe where a supermassive black hole suddenly appearing and consuming everything would be more merciful than having to exist for even one day in there. If youre Imperial Guard you wont even last one day. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978992578] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>SpawnShadow posted... </cite><quote>40K, from everything I've heard of it, seems like the kind of universe where a supermassive black hole suddenly appearing and consuming everything would be more merciful than having to exist for even one day in there.</quote>If youre Imperial Guard you wont even last one day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 02/22/24 11:10:26 PM #70:	Dark_Arbron posted... If youre Imperial Guard you wont even last one day. Unless you're super awesome, and the sniper. And the author recently got a girlfriend. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:978992762] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>If youre Imperial Guard you wont even last one day.</quote>Unless you're super awesome, and the sniper. And the author recently got a girlfriend. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bugmeat 02/22/24 11:10:50 PM #71:	008Zulu posted... No. The Golden Throne keeps him alive. It's the Astronomican that slowly kills the people placed in to it. Eh... The Golden Throne does keep him alive. But it does so by draining the life force of the thousands of psykers who are sacrificed to it on a regular basis, brought to Holy Terra by the Black Ships. --- It's not a war crime the first time. <cite>Bugmeat posted [p:978992767] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>008Zulu posted... </cite><quote>No. The Golden Throne keeps him alive. It's the Astronomican that slowly kills the people placed in to it.</quote>Eh... The Golden Throne does keep him alive. But it does so by draining the life force of the thousands of psykers who are sacrificed to it on a regular basis, brought to Holy Terra by the Black Ships. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/23/24 2:57:26 AM #72:	Guide posted... Unless you're super awesome, and the sniper. And the author recently got a girlfriend. Ciaphas Kain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM! --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978995128] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite><quote>Unless you're super awesome, and the sniper. And the author recently got a girlfriend.</quote>Ciaphas Kain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArsGoetia 02/23/24 4:18:33 AM #73:	fire_bolt posted... Nah, eventually Tyranids get hemmed in by Necros. The whole "assimilate any flesh" shtick doesn't work on an immortal undead army made of metal and then the orks, who were created to defeat and won against the necrons during the war in heaven, reascend to krork and the galaxy becomes a giant waaagh also really imperial space isnt as bad as hive world lore makes it out to be, there's plenty of human planets that are left unchecked (for better or worse) for centuries at a time, or deliberately maintained like take the space wolf novels for example, which (and this isn't a spoiler, it's literally the start of the first novel) depict fenris as a world devoid of technology/imperial knowledge that has an early viking-like culture. prospective space wolves are culled from the glorious dead(dying) here, like einherjar in norse myth, to become space wolf candidates. 40k is bleak and every major faction within it is absolutely terrible, but if life for your average non-enlisted citizen were as awful as posts ITT suggested, there literally wouldn't be anyone left to fight anymore lol, they'd all be dead <cite>ArsGoetia posted [p:978995614] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite><quote>Nah, eventually Tyranids get hemmed in by Necros. The whole "assimilate any flesh" shtick doesn't work on an immortal undead army made of metal</quote>and then the orks, who were created to defeat and won against the necrons during the war in heaven, reascend to krork and the galaxy becomes a giant waaaghalso really imperial space isnt as bad as hive world lore makes it out to be, there's plenty of human planets that are left unchecked (for better or worse) for centuries at a time, or deliberately maintainedlike take the space wolf novels for example, which (and this isn't a spoiler, it's literally the start of the first novel) depict fenris as a world devoid of technology/imperial knowledge that has an early viking-like culture. prospective space wolves are culled from the glorious dead(dying) here, like einherjar in norse myth, to become space wolf candidates.40k is bleak and every major faction within it is absolutely terrible, but if life for your average non-enlisted citizen were as awful as posts ITT suggested, there literally wouldn't be anyone left to fight anymore lol, they'd all be dead </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rotterdammerung 02/23/24 4:21:58 AM #74:	Dark_Arbron posted... Ciaphas Kain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM! I really hope the Amazon series is an adaptation of these books. --- Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things. GNU STP They/them <cite>Rotterdammerung posted [p:978995632] in The Imperi... [t:80703457]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Ciaphas Kain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!</quote>I really hope the Amazon series is an adaptation of these books. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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