Current Events > What is your opinion on Ozempic / Wegovy?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Are these drugs a net positive or negative? They seem to give many people real results even after ceasing usage, but many people are skeptical of if there could be long term health problems or if its a cop out to use.

fad drugs are stupid, leave them to those who actually need them

How do they continue to work after stopping usage if your diet is terrible and you dont exercise?

Horrible invention to make society even lazier

"there's a pill for that" is the bottom-of-the-barrel of avoiding putting effort into anything

Get surgery

take pills

do anything, anything at all, other than take responsibility and make personal life changes

Even before med school or I knew anything about health, I've always prioritized physical activity. I build my daily schedule M-F around WHEN I get to the gym. Everything else is scheduled around this.

*insert 1,000 excuses*

The doc I work with is pro them. not much different than getting your stomach stapled

NightingaleMD posted...

Horrible invention to make society even lazier

"there's a pill for that" is the bottom-of-the-barrel of avoiding putting effort into anything

Get surgery

take pills

do anything, anything at all, other than take responsibility and make personal life changes

Even before med school or I knew anything about health, I've always prioritized physical activity. I build my daily schedule M-F around WHEN I get to the gym. Everything else is scheduled around this.

*insert 1,000 excuses*

And what about people like my sister that can't lose weight easily at all through traditional means?

The trend of society has been ticking towards "lazier" since the dawn of civilization. Every invention is to make SOMETHING easier to do. are you anti robots or AI to do menial tasks because it makes someone lazy?

What exactly is this hurting?

People hate big ppl and they hate when big ppl lose weight . People are like we need to save it for people who need it. Why not for the overweight ppl who needs it. Using the logic of they can just make better choices can literally be used for many ppl with type 2 diabetes. As Natty who has lost a few pounds. I cheer my overweight brothers and sisters who use it. They should have a better life. But ppl dont want that for big ppl. That is why big ppl at the gym get made fun of.

Damn_Underscore posted...

How do they continue to work after stopping usage if your diet is terrible and you dont exercise?

Ppl who use them still have to change their diets ,it is like the operation called a gastric balloon. It helps ppl from over eating. But they can still over eat.

cjsdowg posted...

People hate big ppl and they hate when big ppl lose weight . People are like we need to save it for people who need it. Why not for the overweight ppl who needs it. Using the logic of they can just make better choices can literally be used for many ppl with type 2 diabetes. As Natty who has lost a few pounds. I cheer my overweight brothers and sisters who use it. They should have a better life. But ppl dont want that for big ppl.

This is a lot how I feel about it, mainly because very many people struggle with obesity long term and often since childhood, yet these peoples struggles are often understood as being chronically too lazy or gluttonous or [insert sinful vice] rather than being a genuine physical & mental health issue.

Its to the point many fat people have internalized it as them just being inferior to healthy weight people at like the soul level. Even though they have lived experience of how hard it is for them to lose weight and maintain weight loss.

And even though it should be obvious that the average person is not extremely more vice-driven than people in the 60s were, rather the most available foods & their chemical contents changed as well as advertising and the amount of physical activity in the median job.

Whereas many healthy weight people prefer also to continue seeing it this way as it provides them like 2/3rd of the American population to feel inherently better than. Now I dont think this is a conscious decision by many people that criticize these weight loss tools while shaming people for using them. But I think that is part of why it endures so long.

It's awesome and I hope it keeps being studied, improved, and used.

We essentially found a magic pill to help people lose weight and reduce adverse health impacts that can come from being overweight. It seems like it can also be used for other types of addiction.

Claims that "it's the easy way out" are pure idiotic and stink of some weird elitism.

"You should lose weight!"

"Oh no, not that way which uses drugs that have been studied and approved by the FDA and other health organizations"

Spare me your crocodile tears

If they help people, and the side effects don't outweigh the benefits, then why not?

Seems a bit oppressive to police people for getting healthier the 'wrong' way. Net benefit to society too if fewer people are obese. Who cares if they 'earned it' through 'discipline' or not?

ai123 posted...

If they help people, and the side effects don't outweigh the benefits, then why not?

Seems a bit oppressive to police people for getting healthier the 'wrong' way. Net benefit to society too if fewer people are obese. Who cares if they 'earned it' through 'discipline' or not?

It's like people that bitch about playing games on easy mode because they "cheated themselves out of the experience"

Yes, I'm thinking of that one copypasta

cjsdowg posted...

Ppl who use them still have to change their diets ,it is like the operation called a gastric balloon. It helps ppl from over eating. But they can still over eat.

Well if people have better diets and exercise routines but still cant lose weight then a pill like this seems like a great starter. But they cant expect to take it for the rest of their lives, they need to change their lifestyles no matter what

Eh it's a pretty cool drug that doesn't afraid of anything

The ideal way to lose weight is diet and exercise, but we have been saying that for years and fat people are just getting fatter. I think incorporating a healthy diet and exercise routine, then using Ozempic as a boost to suppress hunger is the most ideal scenario for a positive outcome, and then hopefully the person can drop Ozempic after some time and the healthy habits stick.

There are some drawbacks though, I think like 1 in 5 people have such bad side effects (mostly nausea) that they can't even continue the drug. If you don't change your habits (and unfortunately most people don't), then you are either on the drug for the rest of your life or you gain the weight back. Also if you still have a crap diet, then all that happens is you eat less crap, so you are in a calorie deficit but you are now lacking all major nutrients, leading to malnourishment. This is why a lot of people on Ozempic lose a lot more muscle than fat, so their body fat % actually goes up (even though the weight is coming down), which is even more unhealthy.

Last generation drugs.

Zepbound/Mounjaro are more effective.

As long as the proper research is being done about the long term side effects, I have no issues with it.

The "just exercise and eat better" people crack me up. Mainly because it's the "bootstraps" version of the obesity issue.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]



This. Also many insurances may not pay for it if you dont have a type 2 diabetes. Though I would think most very heavy people probably have it.

Weight loss is difficult and sucky. If there's something to make it easier, then good for anyone who needs that.

I'm for it tbh. My bro should get on it. He has a pretty big appetite and I doubt he could lower it naturally.

I naturally have a low appetite so it's easy for me to maintain my weight without any form of physical activity. Never thought I needed to commit to much other than abstaining from certain substances such as alcohol! That drug noticeably increased my appetite which made me crave more foods combined with the few hundred extra calories from drinks temporarily gained me 25 pounds during my 3 years of daily drinking. Managed to lose all that since I quit 1 year and 10 months ago though.

It's a whole diff world with a low appetite. I actually have to force myself to eat extra foods to maintain my weight right now. I unknowingly lost an extra 5 pounds recently which I measured hours after waking up and having drank water and eaten breakfast already. that said i think forcing myself to eat extra foods with a low appetite is a hell of a lot easier to commit to than to avoid them with a high appetite.

Starks posted...

Last generation drugs.

Zepbound/Mounjaro are more effective.

Didnt know about this, interesting that theyre already being improved so quickly

Obesity kills. Stuff like Ozempic does a really great job of combating that. Go for it if you want to live longer. Or not. I'm not youre mom

I'm they're great for people they work for

But I'm skeptical every time I hear about these "wonder" drugs and can't help but think about what kinda horrid long-term effects will pop up 30-40 years down the line

NightingaleMD posted...

Horrible invention to make society even lazier

"there's a pill for that" is the bottom-of-the-barrel of avoiding putting effort into anything

Get surgery

take pills

do anything, anything at all, other than take responsibility and make personal life changes

Even before med school or I knew anything about health, I've always prioritized physical activity. I build my daily schedule M-F around WHEN I get to the gym. Everything else is scheduled around this.

*insert 1,000 excuses*

Fuck this mentality.

You like going to the gym? Good. Do that. Enjoy it, get the most out of it.

Not everyone likes going to the gym. And your response to that should not be, "Suffer, fatties!".

People have to live their own lives, and most of them aren't going to revolve around the things you like. If someone doesn't like going to the gym they should feel free to take whatever alternative steps they want to maintain their health to the degree they want.

This sneering superiority serves no one and and aids nothing. You're supposed to be a medical professional? Quit. Unless you can grow some empathy and lose the narcissism.

I always just avoid drugs unless it's really necessary >_> Everything has side-effects

Apparently my SiL didn't poop for a month after starting Ozempic. It's not magic, it makes you not want to eat. It's still Calories in < Calories out to loose weight.

She also works out religiously and she's lost over 200lbs over the past several years.

I've watched several people have success on it, so if there's no real deleterious side effects, I'm not particularly against it. I could see folks losing muscle mass though as it seems to drop people to a pretty low caloric intake.

A proper exercise plan and good diet will always be supreme, however.

its a good drug for people who have diabetes.

Daremo posted...

Fuck this mentality.

You like going to the gym? Good. Do that. Enjoy it, get the most out of it.

Not everyone likes going to the gym. And your response to that should not be, "Suffer, fatties!".

People have to live their own lives, and most of them aren't going to revolve around the things you like. If someone doesn't like going to the gym they should feel free to take whatever alternative steps they want to maintain their health to the degree they want.

This sneering superiority serves no one and and aids nothing. You're supposed to be a medical professional? Quit. Unless you can grow some empathy and lose the narcissism.

Um

I did

I work administratively now

I don't miss the days of working with 6-8 other people to move an unconscious 700 lbs sack of potatoes from stretcher to ED cot

Random fun fact: the state worker's compensation department is putting out an RFP for projects to reduce work injuries while moving obese patients. People are literally getting so fat healthcare workers are injuring themselves moving those patients around at rates creating substantial workflow gaps!

And again, their care is completely different. Ever tried intubating a 500+ lbs man/woman? it's incredibly dangerous and can easily result in the patient dying. People may indeed "have their own lives to live," but if they live so unhealthy they injury others they are a financial burden to society, this is fact, sorry

NightingaleMD posted...

700 lbs sack of potatoes

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/cbc5893e.jpg

NightingaleMD posted...

And again, their care is completely different. Ever tried intubating a 500+ lbs man/woman? it's incredibly dangerous and can easily result in the patient dying. People may indeed "have their own lives to live," but if they live so unhealthy they injury others they are a financial burden to society, this is fact, sorry

Good thing we have drugs that can help people lose that weight. But you're not of a fan of that either so...

NightingaleMD posted...

Horrible invention to make society even lazier

Ozempic is used to treat diabetes, one of the side effects helps with weight loss. Shut the fuck up.

$25 for a 3-month supply of Zepbound makes me so happy. Already down 10 lb over 3 weeks and I'm not even at the therapeutic dose yet.

Appetite suppression could be slightly better, but this is far cheaper and more effective than a gym membership.

Starks posted...

$25 for a 3-month supply of Zepbound makes me so happy. Already down 10 lb over 3 weeks and I'm not even at the therapeutic dose yet.

Appetite suppression could be slightly better, but this is far cheaper and more effective than a gym membership.

Damn what insurance do you got

Some random BCBS

I have BCBS IL and it has been so hard to find my formulary to see what I can get covered or not. They direct me to a site called prime therapeutics but when I try to register it just tells me I cant be verified

Irony posted...

Ozempic is used to treat diabetes, one of the side effects helps with weight loss. Shut the fuck up.

*type 2 diabetes.

Not type 1. You contradict yourself by not realizing type 2 is a "lifestyle" disease.

DM2, much like diverticulitis, is what you call an "artifactual" disease: ie, it is not natural and prior to 100 years ago was extremely, extremely rare. Happy to educate you about the history of the illness or the difference between type 1 (true genetics) vs type 2 (I don't know how else to say this other than lifestyle-induced).

There are indeed some genetic variations but please be aware a doctor is telling you to look up and verify DM2 was a very, very rare disease a long time ago. There is a reason.....

You think the reason is because Americans suddenly got super lazy and not because the food supply was revolutionized several times over and more sedentary work became necessary for the economy?

I think the phrasing lifestyle disease can be bad framing because its not like a bunch of individuals all happened to choose to have their diet contain way more high fructose corn syrup. Its not like every 50s American was at the gym and watching their carbs. The American individuals didnt change as much as their environment did.

Semaglutides only treat a symptom of the problem, but the actual cure wont be to tell people to stop being lazy as if were just in a generation of weak men or something. The cure is to rework things like our agricultural subsidies that incentivize production of unhealthy food, and other top down controls to improve the average diet.

NightingaleMD posted...

DM2 was a very, very rare disease a long time ago. There is a reason.....

Yeah, because sugars were a lot harder to come by.

The only things that consisted of mainly sugar were some only occasionally available fruits and alcohol, and if you consumed enough alcohol for your pancreas to wear out, you were dying of something else first.

Also, we have no means of discerning Type one from Type 2 in antiquity.

I see our fake doctor has decided to grace us with his utter lack of empathy for patients.

Imagine if he was a real doctor; dude would absolutely treat his patients like shit.

FL81 posted...

fad drugs are stupid, leave them to those who actually need them

This.

We have a supply shortage regarding Ozempic in Switzerland and other european countries, because lazy fatasses are hoarding them. Which is a problem, because many diabetics need them.

It's pathetic, really. You want to loose weight? Get your mind together and realize that it's on you. Exercise and eat healthier, that solves your problem. Get surgery if you want it that way. But leave drugs to those who actually need them.

Which is why Wegovy and Zepbound are specifically for weight loss, not diabetes.

As an obesity medicine specialist myself, they are great drugs that I think can be very helpful to society as a whole. Anyone shitting on these drugs, especially those that don't even do clinical work themselves (aka not helping patients) should be disregarded.

A great thing overall in my opinion. If supply is becoming a issue through then I can see why thats a cause for concern but theres very little reason the drug companys can just ramp up production overtime.

And hopefully in turn lower its cost as well.

I'm fucking tired of Ozempic and Trulicity being on constant backorder because everyone wants to lose weight with a cheat code.

Bump

noisetank posted...

its a good drug for people who have diabetes.

What is the leading cause of type 2 diabetes