Current Events > Kids Online Safety Act expected to pass Senate.

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https://edsource.org/updates/senate-expected-to-pass-kids-online-safety-act

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/02/dont-fall-latest-changes-dangerous-kids-online-safety-act for more details on it.

The tl;dr of what this bill does is it requires every single site to request a Government ID from you to even view or use the website in question and you have to use your real name in just about everything. It'll also limit search results if you are deemed underage and be treated as such too. So imagine going on this very site and being unable to unless you have to give Fandom your government ID.

That is what will happen if this passes.

Kids will just use the parents id. I agree theres a problem with accessing certain content and all the problems that social media bring, but this is probably not the best way to tackle it.

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Cuz they don't. Politicians are scumbags

Time to hoard your porn I guess. Like vegy always preached before he died: Always save your favorites!

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Because that's actually what happens. Children do not need the government to step in to "help."

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Because it doesn't. It's just a means for the religious right to control content that they see as "objectionable".

But calling it out is seen as a bad look, since on paper it's about protecting kids.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Because it doesn't. It's just a means for the religious right to control content that they see as "objectionable".

But calling it out is seen as a bad look, since on paper it's about protecting kids.

Right. What's worse is I don't see anything where it limits the junk ads. If anything, those should be regulated before anything else.

I disagree. Because everyone knows that the government isn't about protecting the kids when it buckles and whines about the notion of helping children born under struggling parents.

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"think of the children" has long been used as a strong moral-based support grabber, especially by the religious right. they can use "the children" as support for whatever cause they want. when someone (rightfully) points out a bill does very little (usually closer to outright nothing) to protect children or even harms them, they can say "So you don't care about children?" and make the logical person look like the bad guy

I am of the opinion children absolutely do need protection. From the religious right, of course.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Kids will just use the parents id. I agree theres a problem with accessing certain content and all the problems that social media bring, but this is probably not the best way to tackle it.

The content is fine. You shouldn't need an ID at all.

Revelation34 posted...

The content is fine. You shouldn't need an ID at all.

What content is fine?

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Kids will just use the parents id. I agree theres a problem with accessing certain content and all the problems that social media bring, but this is probably not the best way to tackle it.

This isn't just social media, it's everything. Which means it's not going to pass if even social media ID requirements aren't passing (as it shouldn't). As the article states it's unconstitutional at its core.

How about the Internet has no rules and everyone fucking deals with it?

hockeybabe89 posted...

How about the Internet has no rules and everyone fucking deals with it?

What a remarkably dumb thing to say or want.

Excuse me sir, I'll need to see your ID to access this dying websight.

Tenlaar posted...

What a remarkably dumb thing to say or want.

Let's put an asterisk and say excluding the literal act of crime

Snip-N-Snails posted...

This isn't just social media, it's everything. Which means it's not going to pass if even social media ID requirements aren't passing (as it shouldn't). As the article states it's unconstitutional at its core.

Politicians and judges don't care about the Constitution.

I can't wait to become one of those ppl who live on the surface below the flying cities. Living a life of crime and desperation because I'm incapable of being integrated into society. Because i absolutely am not giving www.gamefaqs.gamespot.com my real name and photo id.

Kids just use Discord and pass around images and videos uploaded from torrents.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

https://edsource.org/updates/senate-expected-to-pass-kids-online-safety-act

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/02/dont-fall-latest-changes-dangerous-kids-online-safety-act for more details on it.

The tl;dr of what this bill does is it requires every single site to request a Government ID from you to even view or use the website in question and you have to use your real name in just about everything. It'll also limit search results if you are deemed underage and be treated as such too. So imagine going on this very site and being unable to unless you have to give Fandom your government ID.

That is what will happen if this passes.

Where does it say that? Didn't see anything about that in the EFF link, I even searched for "ID" after not seeing it.
Like I'm sure it's true, but I need to confirm before I go emailing senators or such...

This is just a roundabout way of being shitty to gay and trans kids and anyone you wants to find a safe online community but because these fucks view lgbtq as dangerous these sites must policed with impunity.

Fuck every rep and senator who sponsored and votes for this. Especially the left.

Government: "PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR THIS! SO WE ARE GIVING IT TO THEM!"
"Who's asking for it?"
"Oh you know, moms and dads and kids."
"What Moms, Dads and kids?"
"You don't know them. They go to a different school."

hockeybabe89 posted...

How about the Internet has no rules and everyone fucking deals with it?

preach

Politicians: "We need to protect the kids!"
People: "Ok, so about those school shootings...."
Politicians: "Best we can do is make the internet worse."

I didn't see anything on the EFF link about mandating the use of government IDs on websites though?

Hexenherz posted...

I didn't see anything on the EFF link about mandating the use of government IDs on websites though?

What do you think age verification entails

If it wasn't SOPA & PIPA, it will be KOSA that ruins us. It's never tossed into the volcano & finished off, so it keeps coming back. I'm not using my driver's license to go on the fucking Internet, so see y'all if this goes through

DarthAragorn posted...

What do you think age verification entails

If the government doesn't say, "Real ID" or anything to mandate it, then:

"Are you 18+?"

*Yes button* *No button*

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It meets the minimum requirements, suck it, Big Brother

streamofthesky posted...

If the government doesn't say, "Real ID" or anything to mandate it, then:

"Are you 18+?"

*Yes button* *No button*

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It meets the minimum requirements, suck it, Big Brother

They're not trying so hard to pass this law just to make sites add a fucking drop-down box.

Here in Mississippi and I imagine in Virginia and other states that have similar laws, you're required to use your ID to access certain adult sites. That's what the government wants.

Good way to blackmail people over their preferences or kinks. If you think Republicans won't do this and Democrats won't let them you're a fool.

DarthAragorn posted...

They're not trying so hard to pass this law just to make sites add a fucking drop-down box.

DarthAragorn posted...

They're not trying so hard to pass this law just to make sites add a fucking drop-down box.

It's a double-edged sword, but our society's litigious nature and proclivity to interpreting vaguely/poorly worded laws/mandates in whatever way is most beneficial to the corporation works to our benefit here.
If it just requires the website to verify the age of a user without further details, then a Yes/No box is quite literally "verifying it". It's not a very reliable way to truly verify it, but that's not our problem. If politicians want to require Real ID so they know what porn we watch (which is obviously what they're attempting), then make them put that in bold clear lettering in a follow up bill. Let everyone know exactly what they're pushing for.

AbsolutelyNoOne posted...

"think of the children" has long been used as a strong moral-based support grabber, especially by the religious right. they can use "the children" as support for whatever cause they want. when someone (rightfully) points out a bill does very little (usually closer to outright nothing) to protect children or even harms them, they can say "So you don't care about children?" and make the logical person look like the bad guy

I am of the opinion children absolutely do need protection. From the religious right, of course.

Yes. Every time this sort of thing is pushed by religious conservatives it needs to be loudly broadcast that they're the ones who keep getting caught abusing children.

But the "liberal media" doesn't do that. For some reason.

Why does it feel like Congress is full of old people who probably still think this internet thing is just some fad that will end soon?

VGAddict90 posted...

Why does it feel like Congress is full of old people who probably still think this internet thing is just some fad that will end soon?

Because the average age of congress is nearly 60, with the senate being even older.

The far right is gonna want to know who has been against them when they take over. Free speech is gonna be one of the first things to go

Southernfatman posted...

Here in Mississippi and I imagine in Virginia and other states that have similar laws, you're required to use your ID to access certain adult sites. That's what the government wants.

Good way to blackmail people over their preferences or kinks. If you think Republicans won't do this and Democrats won't let them you're a fool.

Yup, never downloaded a VPN so fast in my life

EDIT: So, what's keeping this from being easily defeated at the user level by a VPN?

The government won't police corporations but they will damn sure police the internet in ways that help corporations and harm normal people

WrestlinFan posted...

Yup, never downloaded a VPN so fast in my life

EDIT: So, what's keeping this from being easily defeated at the user level by a VPN?

These people trying to pass this are probably too computer illiterate to even know what a vpn is.

This is what our lawmakers are wasting time on? The big, bad, internet, out to corrupt our youth.......somehow.

"Think of the children!" If these fucking idiots gave any measure of fuck about kids, they'd be working on gun reform, so that kids can go to school and not have to worry about being killed cause some "responsible gun owner" had a bad day or something.

Bu but youll be depriving kids of the satisfaction of clicking yes on the Are you 18? Screen

Smackems posted...

What content is fine?

Social media.

BoomerKuwanger posted...

Porn sites have already had the "are you 18" box for a long time, though I don't know if that has been voluntary.

No, it's required. I recall a few years back someone making a comment on their blog, that due to the content of their site they had to stick a simple tick box with "I am over 18" to comply with the law and avoid being taken down.

This mess is more complicated and has very little to do with protecting children, and more to do with more accurate tracking of what an individual is browsing, reading, viewing. As already stated, "for the children" is a blanket you can't argue against, as people will think you're a pedo/monster even if the law straight up makes it ok to abuse children, because majority don't look past the "it's to protect the children" part.

If it passes, then don't be surprised when VPNs are targeted next. This will also probably boil down to the site level. Meaning if you want to make an account to browse reddit or pop onto a blog site to read about the color blue, you gotta let billy no mates have your ID, a VPN will just make it look like you're in iceland while using a ohio license. I may be mistaken, but I read a vpn won't even work properly on a mobile device, it'll just ping the cell tower.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

https://edsource.org/updates/senate-expected-to-pass-kids-online-safety-act

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/02/dont-fall-latest-changes-dangerous-kids-online-safety-act for more details on it.

The tl;dr of what this bill does is it requires every single site to request a Government ID from you to even view or use the website in question and you have to use your real name in just about everything.

Even 4chan?

I haven't read too far into it, but apparently it includes something in there that makes using a vpn to get around it a felony.

lol, good thing this kind of shit is what's getting done.