Current Events > Associated Press goes to bat for those that want a US Theocracy.

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God protected America on its worst days

I know this will sound ironic coming from me, but it needs to be said...

TC, go touch some grass.

From what?

The Declaration of Independence famously proclaims that peoples rights come from a Creator and Natures God but doesnt specify who that is.

That is a completely true and neutral fact. Have you never read the DoI, even just for school?

Giving them a platform at all is going to bat for them.

Know what an easier article to make on this subject is?

"Many Americans want the United States to be ran by religion. They're wrong."

A 1 line story is what this deserved. Not an explanation on how the founders allegedly left it ambiguous as to whether or not we are a Christian nation.

AlCalavicci posted...

Unless I'm misunderstanding, where is the "both sidesing" / "here's why they may have a point" portion of what you posted in the OP?

The Declaration of Independence famously proclaims that peoples rights come from a Creator and Natures God but doesnt specify who that is.

But by posting the article here to talk about it, arent you giving it a platform as well?

ARE YOU GOING TO BAT FOR US THEOCRACY???

Yes, the 100 random people on this dead site are being propagandized by me posting an AP article.

Dude here is melting down over being called out for doing what he insists he's against. Classic.

Literally giving the 'Jesus should be President' morons credibility. Hence both sidesing the situation that is 100% one sided, we are not a theocracy.

From being smote by God, of course. It's a very "Why did you make Me smite you?" sort of thing, which tends to (unintentionally?) reflect the home lives of the kinds of people who want their religion to run the state.

You keep saying this, but the evidence you provide doesn't back this up at all.

I believe God protects America so America should protect God.

A complete separation between church and state is one of the few flaws in the Constitution.

Words have meaning. Learn those words before using them. Nobody is having a meltdown. idgaf if people see things my way, I don't live in a theocracy and I will happily call out the AP for trying to normalize morons who want to turn the US into one, or those that defend the AP for doing such.

So go have a 'meltdown' elsewhere.

You rather blatantly got upset over people not having the same opinion about an opinion piece as you did, and it was an opinion piece YOU chose to share on this board. I'm not sure what more needs to be said.

Hell, it's barely even an "opinion" piece since all they did is list fact, without actual personal opinion involved.

I will happily call out the AP for trying to normalize morons who want to turn the US into one, or those that defend the AP for doing such.

You haven't 'called them out'. You haven't even managed to demonstrate that they did what you claim. Describing, without endorsement, what is in the Declaration is not normalising theocracy.

You've gone full Don Quixote in this thread.

Billyionaire keeps living up to his tag

We aren't a theocracy, it's not normal to assume so.

We aren't a theocracy, it's not normal to assume so.

Billyionaire keeps living up to his tag

The fact Billyionaire managed to post even worse takes than the TC is impressive honestly

That user also has a history of shilling for capitalism. I guess he missed the memo about rich people entering Heaven.

Cool story bro, tell me more.

Clay needs to put the New Atheist literature (I use that term loosely) down and stop looking for enemies that aren't there.

I believe God protects America so America should protect God.

A complete separation between church and state is one of the few flaws in the Constitution.

lol, I don't need literature to know religion is a bane on society.

If this topic is any indication you don't use literature very much or read well at all.

I'm not seeing much in the AP article to complain about. Calling the reference in the Declaration of Independence to God-given rights famous was the most irritating thing I saw, and that by itself is pretty mild.

I took that part as a 'well they do have a point, we are a nation of god, but it's just debatable which god'. That's what bothers me. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the way I interpreted it, they're trying to give credence to the notion that we are a nation of god and I do not support that whatsoever.

As everyone in this topic has been telling you, your interpretation is wrong. It's like you were looking for something to be angry at before you even read that article.

I took that part as a 'well they do have a point, we are a nation of god, but it's just debatable which god'. That's what bothers me. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the way I interpreted it, they're trying to give credence to the notion that we are a nation of god and I do not support that whatsoever.

The other thing I saw that rubbed me the wrong way was the article's reference to high polling for the idea that the US is a Christian country as if that had any direct bearing on the issue (it doesn't, of course).

But it is relevant indirectly, because if separation of church and state is unpopular enough for long enough, then the laws will be changed to end it (as Republicans are presently trying to do).

For what it's worth, my advice is this: the US is so God-soaked that trying to get rid of everything that even hints at theocracy is a hopeless goal and will make one look like a crank. There is no shortage of blatant theocracy attempts by Republicans to focus on instead.

I didn't know that people have a negative view on the separation of church and state though.

I mean... good. Religion is sorely lacking in our society today and it'd be good to marry Christianity into all forms of life.

You care so much, it's weird.

You care so much, it's weird.

Which of the thousands of sects of Christianity do you think should dominate as you propose?

Exactly. I didn't know that people have a negative view on the separation of church and state though.

If you pay attention to European history, it's clear that the "Church" in "separation of Church and state" refers to the Catholic Church, and the intent is that the Pope does not have political power. For most of modern European history, this wasn't the case.

Believing the Bible and/or Christ should be the ultimate authority doesn't violate this concept, since neither of those are a product of the Catholic Church.

There's a ton more to unwrap here but I don't wanna start a forum flame war.

Clay isnt smart enough to grasp anything nuanced about religion beyond what the likes of Hitchens and Harris say about it.

Gotem!

Said not wrote. I've seen you praise Harris before on 261. And Sam Harris deserves no praise at all.