Current Events > Associated Press goes to bat for those that want a US Theocracy.

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ClayGuida
02/17/24 2:36:05 PM
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https://apnews.com/article/american-founders-christian-nation-conservative-beliefs-4ea388e8d80c54016a6a4460cbef9b82

The U.S. Constitution doesnt mention Christianity or any specific religion. The Declaration of Independence famously proclaims that peoples rights come from a Creator and Natures God but doesnt specify who that is.

Yet large numbers of Americans believe the founders intended the U.S. to be a Christian nation, and many believe it should be one.

Such views are especially strong among Republicans and their white evangelical base. Already such views are being voiced by supporters of Donald Trump amid his bid to recapture the presidency.

The idea of a Christian America means different things to different people. Pollsters have found a wide circle of Americans who hold general God-and-country sentiments.

But within that is a smaller, hardcore group who also check other boxes in surveys such as that the U.S. Constitution was inspired by God and that the federal government should declare the U.S. a Christian nation, advocate Christian values or stop enforcing the separation of church and state.

For those embracing that package of beliefs, its more likely theyll have unfavorable views toward immigrants, dismiss or downplay the impact of anti-Black discrimination and believe Trump was a good or great president, according to a 2021 Pew Research Center survey.

This latter group reflects a movement widely called Christian nationalism, which fuses American and Christian values, symbols and identity and seeks to privilege Christianity in public life.

They at least call some of these people racists and bigots.

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Guide
02/17/24 2:38:39 PM
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The summary you post, and what I'm reading so far, isn't saying anything in defense or support of a theocracy or white nationalism.

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C_Pain
02/17/24 2:39:28 PM
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How are they going to bat for them?

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thronedfire2
02/17/24 2:41:45 PM
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uh, that just sounds like they're explaining it, not supporting it

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CreekCo
02/17/24 2:43:05 PM
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Mainly stirring the pot for clicks kinda sad and pathetic.

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FolkenRawr
02/17/24 2:44:42 PM
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Guide posted...
The summary you post, and what I'm reading so far, isn't saying anything in defense or support of a theocracy or white nationalism.


thronedfire2 posted...
uh, that just sounds like they're explaining it, not supporting it


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Bandit_Keith
02/17/24 2:50:43 PM
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Guide posted...
The summary you post, and what I'm reading so far, isn't saying anything in defense or support of a theocracy or white nationalism.

thronedfire2 posted...
uh, that just sounds like they're explaining it, not supporting it

These.

CreekCo posted...
Mainly stirring the pot for clicks kinda sad and pathetic.

I hope you are talking about TC and not the AP.

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Alteres
02/17/24 2:52:29 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
uh, that just sounds like they're explaining it, not supporting it
Sometimes I can't tell what's parody and what isn't...

I always just want info, and it's amazing how often online I see people just providing facts get called out as supporting x or y

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CreekCo
02/17/24 2:55:18 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...
These.

I hope you are talking about TC and not the AP.

AP TC is just sharing information.

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ClayGuida
02/17/24 2:58:21 PM
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Giving them a platform at all is going to bat for them.

Know what an easier article to make on this subject is?

"Many Americans want the United States to be ran by religion. They're wrong."

A 1 line story is what this deserved. Not an explanation on how the founders allegedly left it ambiguous as to whether or not we are a Christian nation.

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GrandConjuraton
02/17/24 3:01:04 PM
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Describing something (no matter how stupid it is) without any agenda is going to bat for something now?

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02/17/24 3:01:19 PM
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ClayGuida
02/17/24 3:02:42 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Describing something (no matter how stupid it is) without any agenda is going to bat for something now?
Both sidesing a debate about whether we are a theocracy or not is. Yes.

"Religious cult members want Trans people to be executed, here's why they may have a point"

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Guide
02/17/24 3:02:56 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Giving them a platform at all is going to bat for them.

Know what an easier article to make on this subject is?

"Many Americans want the United States to be ran by religion. They're wrong."

A 1 line story is what this deserved. Not an explanation on how the founders allegedly left it ambiguous as to whether or not we are a Christian nation.

You need a snickers, pal.

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GrandConjuraton
02/17/24 3:04:48 PM
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I know this will sound ironic coming from me, but it needs to be said...

TC, go touch some grass.

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Billyionaire
02/17/24 3:05:05 PM
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I mean... good. Religion is sorely lacking in our society today and it'd be good to marry Christianity into all forms of life.

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GrandConjuraton
02/17/24 3:08:31 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
I mean... good. Religion is sorely lacking in our society today and it'd be good to marry Christianity into all forms of life.
Close your account

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ai123
02/17/24 3:09:29 PM
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The article is descriptive, not an opinion piece.

I don't see any issue with it.

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FortuneCookie
02/17/24 3:11:15 PM
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It's pretty to clear that the phrase One Nation Under God refers to the Judea-Christian God.

That said, trying to turn America into a theocracy goes against separation of church and state and everything that this country was meant to represent. Half the founding fathers were deists or closet atheists. And even if they had been Christian, you're still allowed to have your own religion or leave religion alone and do without one.

Any attempt at turning the US into a theocracy should be shut down swiftly and without sympathy for those who wish to rob others of their... God given rights.
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Guide
02/17/24 3:12:06 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
It's pretty to clear that the phrase One Nation Under God refers to the Judea-Christian God.

That said, trying to turn America into a theocracy goes against separation of church and state and everything that this country was meant to represent. Half the founding fathers were deists or closet atheists. And even if they had been Christian, you're still allowed to have your own religion or leave religion alone and do without one.

Any attempt at turning the US into a theocracy should be shut down swiftly and without sympathy for those who wish to rob others of their... God given rights.

You been writing, recently? You have some good lines.

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FortuneCookie
02/17/24 3:18:38 PM
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Guide posted...
You been writing, recently? You have some good lines.

Thank you.

I've actually been neglecting my writing. I have an excuse this weekend though. I'm studying for my national certification test for my job at the hospital. (At least that's what I'm telling myself I'm doing.)
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Ryangrad
02/17/24 3:20:39 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
It's pretty to clear that the phrase One Nation Under God refers to the Judea-Christian God.
It was also only recently added, in 1954. Because of the red scare. "We aren't like those GODLESS COMMUNIST!"

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FortuneCookie
02/17/24 3:22:25 PM
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Ryangrad posted...
It was also only recently added, in 1954. Because of the red scare. "We aren't like those GODLESS COMMUNIST!"

I keep forgetting that part. It had nothing to do with the founders of this nation.

It's just like how Superman's fight for truth and justice became the fight for truth, justice, and the American way.
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Bandit_Keith
02/17/24 3:24:42 PM
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CreekCo posted...


AP TC is just sharing information.

Damn, I forgot to look at who I was responding to.

Anyway, TC. The article literally just puts for explanations. For someone who doesn't know, it's a good thing. Nothing about it goes to bat for Theocracy at all.

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Billyionaire
02/17/24 3:40:12 PM
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I believe God protects America so America should protect God.

A complete separation between church and state is one of the few flaws in the Constitution.

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ClayGuida
02/17/24 3:41:31 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
I believe God protects America so America should protect God.

A complete separation between church and state is one of the few flaws in the Constitution.
Where was God on 9/11?

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Zikten
02/17/24 3:53:01 PM
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If God is all he's hyped to be, he doesn't need us to protect him. If he does need protection, he's a pathetic deity
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Billyionaire
02/17/24 4:02:14 PM
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God protected America on its worst days, and continues to protect it now. To imply that a direct attack by an unmitigated evil that caused the deaths of 3,000 Americans lives, with countless more forever altered, was caused by the lapse of protection by God is not only patently false but offensive as well.

So please, shut the fuck up already.

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teep_
02/17/24 4:04:41 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
I mean... good. Religion is sorely lacking in our society today and it'd be good to marry Islam into all forms of life.

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Zikten
02/17/24 4:11:13 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
God protected America on its worst days, and continues to protect it now. To imply that a direct attack by an unmitigated evil that caused the deaths of 3,000 Americans lives, with countless more forever altered, was caused by the lapse of protection by God is not only patently false but offensive as well.

So please, shut the fuck up already.
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Damn_Underscore
02/17/24 4:18:50 PM
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Alteres posted...
Sometimes I can't tell what's parody and what isn't...

I always just want info, and it's amazing how often online I see people just providing facts get called out as supporting x or y

Im very sure that there are troll accounts on here who post stuff like this topic because it succeeds in trolling and they dont get in trouble for it.

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uwnim
02/17/24 4:23:04 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
I mean... good. Religion is sorely lacking in our society today and it'd be good to marry Christianity into all forms of life.
No. It would make society worse.

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Heineken14
02/17/24 4:44:07 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
For those embracing that package of beliefs, its more likely theyll have unfavorable views toward immigrants, dismiss or downplay the impact of anti-Black discrimination and believe Trump was a good or great president, according to a 2021 Pew Research Center survey.

It's insane that this is what's considered to be a Christian in America. Lol

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lydiaquayle
02/17/24 4:46:02 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Giving them a platform at all is going to bat for them.
Describing something =/= Giving them a Platform.

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Guide
02/17/24 4:46:38 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...
Damn, I forgot to look at who I was responding to.

Anyway, TC. The article literally just puts for explanations. For someone who doesn't know, it's a good thing. Nothing about it goes to bat for Theocracy at all.

Was tc always like this? I don't remember any weird coming from tc, but this is pretty out there.

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Damn_Underscore
02/17/24 4:48:16 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
It's insane that this is what's considered to be a Christian in America. Lol

Im pretty sure thats referring to people who want America to declare itself a Christian nation

I think a lot of Christians and definitely a lot of non-Christians realize the problems with and implications of America declaring itself a Christian nation.

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Heineken14
02/17/24 4:48:42 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
I believe God protects America so America should protect God.

A complete separation between church and state is one of the few flaws in the Constitution.

Cool, so how do we know which god is protecting us and how do you show people who don't believe your specific God are wrong?

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RetuenOfDevsman
02/17/24 4:52:20 PM
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Do these people know there's a Constitution Party whose platform is literally exactly what the article is talking about?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party_(United_States)
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ai123
02/17/24 4:54:23 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
I believe God protects America so America should protect God.

A complete separation between church and state is one of the few flaws in the Constitution.

There is no religious/scriptual basis for believing that God favours America over any other nation. And suggesting God should be 'protected' by America verges on blasphemy.

No clearer indication of what happens when faith mixes with a inflated sense of self-importance and toxic nationalism.


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AlCalavicci
02/17/24 4:56:01 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Both sidesing a debate about whether we are a theocracy or not is. Yes.

"Religious cult members want Trans people to be executed, here's why they may have a point"

Unless I'm misunderstanding, where is the "both sidesing" / "here's why they may have a point" portion of what you posted in the OP?

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Dudebusters
02/17/24 4:58:59 PM
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Guide posted...
Was tc always like this? I don't remember any weird coming from tc, but this is pretty out there.

Clay is a very hateful individual, unfortunately. You should see him on the sports boards.

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ClayGuida
02/17/24 5:45:13 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
Unless I'm misunderstanding, where is the "both sidesing" / "here's why they may have a point" portion of what you posted in the OP?


The Declaration of Independence famously proclaims that peoples rights come from a Creator and Natures God but doesnt specify who that is.


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