Current Events > Japanese celebs have reportedly been told not to mention Palworld to avoid

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https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/japanese-celebrities-have-reportedly-been-told-not-to-mention-palworld-to-avoid-pokemon-backlash/

Literally 1984

Everybody should heed that advice.

What about Sujimon?

Is Palworld dead? Or just his career?

Honestly, Palworld probably represents a significant attack to Japanese culture; I can see why it would be considered a negative to talk about it.

I mean, while high-quality Metroid and Mario games barely break a million at best in Japan, they are making sure Pokemon consistently is a 5+ million seller, which is a part of the reason why Pokemon sales still look so good.

PiOverlord posted...

Honestly, Palworld probably represents a significant attack to Japanese culture;

But Palworld is Japanese

Damn and we thought Disney was tyrannical

Still dont get the stupidity with Palworld. Its just a survival game with mons, the fuck is people so worked up about it with Pokemon? Its not even the same genre. Really dont get the idiots that think Nintendo is going to sue them cause they sue fangames. Fangames get sued cause they use the name Pokemon and Pokemon in their games. Thats something Nintendo would actually care about going after. Not another mongame, let alone one that isnt even in the same genre.

C_Pain posted...

Literally 1984

What?

LightHawKnight posted...

Still dont get the stupidity with Palworld. Its just a survival game with mons, the fuck is people so worked up about it with Pokemon? Its not even the same genre. Really dont get the idiots that think Nintendo is going to sue them cause they sue fangames. Fangames get sued cause they use the name Pokemon and Pokemon in their games. Thats something Nintendo would actually care about going after. Not another mongame, let alone one that isnt even in the same genre.

They marketed themselves as an edgy take on Pokemon with guns.

Big Mon is watching the celebrities.

Intro2Logic posted...

What?

Big brother saying we can't mention Oceania

Ivynn posted...

But Palworld is Japanese

Sure, but Pokemon is a very important franchise, whereas Palworld represents a disruption to it.

LightHawKnight posted...

Still dont get the stupidity with Palworld. Its just a survival game with mons, the fuck is people so worked up about it with Pokemon? Its not even the same genre. Really dont get the idiots that think Nintendo is going to sue them cause they sue fangames. Fangames get sued cause they use the name Pokemon and Pokemon in their games. Thats something Nintendo would actually care about going after. Not another mongame, let alone one that isnt even in the same genre.

Fanboys are insane, Nintendo fanboys tend to be more insane than your usual fanboy.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

They marketed themselves as an edgy take on Pokemon with guns.

Can you show said marketing, remember that people saying that's what it is is not the same as the company saying that's what it is.

PiOverlord posted...

Sure, but Pokemon is a very important franchise, whereas Palworld represents a disruption to it.

good

LightHawKnight posted...

Still dont get the stupidity with Palworld. Its just a survival game with mons, the fuck is people so worked up about it with Pokemon? Its not even the same genre. Really dont get the idiots that think Nintendo is going to sue them cause they sue fangames. Fangames get sued cause they use the name Pokemon and Pokemon in their games. Thats something Nintendo would actually care about going after. Not another mongame, let alone one that isnt even in the same genre.

It's sort of like Hogwarts Legacy where it's more about its fans want to "own the libs" rather than anything else. It doesn't matter that they're not alike: the fact that they can rile people up by acting like the Sonic OC-tier monsters are somehow relevant is all that matters. It's the same as why when this topic came up that the flagrantly obvious to anyone that all celebrities are told by their managers to avoid drama would also be told to avoid this drama has yet to come up: actually considering the words written on the website is utterly irrelevant, it's flinging time.

LightHawKnight posted...

Still dont get the stupidity with Palworld. Its just a survival game with mons, the fuck is people so worked up about it with Pokemon? Its not even the same genre. Really dont get the idiots that think Nintendo is going to sue them cause they sue fangames. Fangames get sued cause they use the name Pokemon and Pokemon in their games. Thats something Nintendo would actually care about going after. Not another mongame, let alone one that isnt even in the same genre.

Because a good chunk of the talk is more or less done in sort of a bad faith manner. I have seen this topic on the Seitch board worded like TPC was bullying the developers of Palworld, there are also just constant comparisons being made between it and Pokemon. Its just designed in a way to try and sell a crafting game to the Pokemon community with how close the designs can be for the Pals and Pokemon and people kinda gloss over how the game has a lot of assets that dont match.

Enclave posted...

Fanboys are insane, Nintendo fanboys tend to be more insane than your usual fanboy.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

Can you show said marketing, remember that people saying that's what it is is not the same as the company saying that's what it is.

Stuff like this doesnt help anyone either because the narrative is to always blame fans when it is easy to cause more drama.

And that last part has a point though the media and YTers and others are constantly pushing that notion that I dont think the developers outright make the claim its Pokemon with Guns but as far as we know they arent stopping it either.

Baha05 posted...

Stuff like this doesnt help anyone either because the narrative is to always blame fans when it is easy to cause more drama.

It's not meant to help, it's just a statement of fact.

Baha05 posted...

And that last part has a point though the media and YTers and others are constantly pushing that notion that I dont think the developers outright make the claim its Pokemon with Guns but as far as we know they arent stopping it either.

How exactly do you expect the developers to stop how people talk about their game?

The Pokemon devs need a wakeup call, and if Palworld is what it takes, so be it.

Enclave posted...

It's not meant to help, it's just a statement of fact.

How exactly do you expect the developers to stop how people talk about their game?

Except there is literally no facts to it which is the problem its just reinforcing the notion that fans are crazy.

And you have them make clear PR statements? Because a lot of the comparisons more or less does the game kind of dirty in a sense. If the developers cared about their vision while yes sales are nice I would probably not want my product to lose its identity as Pokemon with Guns.

Baha05 posted...

Except there is literally no facts to it which is the problem its just reinforcing the notion that fans are crazy.

And you have them make clear PR statements? Because a lot of the comparisons more or less does the game kind of dirty in a sense. If the developers cared about their vision while yes sales are nice I would probably not want my product to lose its identity as Pokemon with Guns.

The dev has marketed their game and did so without bringing up Pokemon. It's not on them to try to stop people from talking about their game in a way they themselves don't talk about it, you seem to think they have far more control over the masses than any company has.

Also I wouldn't expect you specifically to agree with me about the insanity of fanboys, you yourself are a noted Gamestop shill.

Enclave posted...

The dev has marketed their game and did so without bringing up Pokemon. It's not on them to try to stop people from talking about their game in a way they themselves don't talk about it, you seem to think they have far more control over the masses than any company has.

Also I wouldn't expect you specifically to agree with me about the insanity of fanboys, you yourself are a noted Gamestop shill.

Yeah but again the fact is that if they arent doing their part to stop this it just kinda pushes a narrative that doesnt really do their game justice and that can be far more problematic in the grand scheme of things.

And no there are insane fans but again if you are going to go into an argument claiming its fans that are doing it you better back up your facts. Also stop using the term shill no one on this website knows what that word means.

Baha05 posted...

Yeah but again the fact is that if they arent doing their part to stop this it just kinda pushes a narrative that doesnt really do their game justice and that can be far more problematic in the grand scheme of things.

Short of changing the art direction of their game they cannot stop it and if you suggest that's what they should do then that's completely unreasonable and ridiculous.

And no there are insane fans but again if you are going to go into an argument claiming its fans that are doing it you better back up your facts. Also stop using the term shill no one on this website knows what that word means.

Uh huh.

One talent agency tells its clients to not say anything about Palworld. This is a non-story.

Enclave posted...

Short of changing the art direction of their game they cannot stop it and if you suggest that's what they should do then that's completely unreasonable and ridiculous.

Uh huh.

Which is why I think it was part intended in the first place anyhow because again why design a crafting game around creatures when you can make one with a similar design to Pokemon with guns.

And you can say uh huh all you want doesnt change the fact that people use the word shill as a general insult since its easier to side step anything when someone doesnt have to say something negative about companies. Because believe it or not all companies have some degree of pros and cons here and most people barely understand retail jobs in general.

I have nothing but love for Palworld and I'm actually amazed it's blown up like this. Before it came out half of us were writing it off as another failed early access game but uh apparently no lmfao.
That being said Palworld definitely does its legal best at completely paraphrasing pokemon designs. With some of them, we ALL know what it is. Props to them for doing it *just* enough where they can't get sued.

wait so does it actually include pokemon ip or has pokemon just created so many pokemon that every fantasy creature looks like one these days

Baha05 posted...

Which is why I think it was part intended in the first place anyhow because again why design a crafting game around creatures when you can make one with a similar design to Pokemon with guns.

GameFreak doesn't own an entire art style, suggesting that using a similar art style is them marketing the game as Pokemon with guns is ridiculous. If you're going to claim they marketed the game as Pokemon with guns then show the actual marketing, pointing at the art style isn't nearly enough. Hell, the game itself isn't even really like Pokemon, it has far more in common with Ark.

Baha05 posted...

And you can say uh huh all you want doesnt change the fact that people use the word shill as a general insult since its easier to side step anything when someone doesnt have to say something negative about companies. Because believe it or not all companies have some degree of pros and cons here and most people barely understand retail jobs in general.

Uh huh.

TheMikh posted...

wait so does it actually include pokemon ip or has pokemon just created so many pokemon that every fantasy creature looks like one these days

It does not have Pokemon in it, thus why Nintendo hasn't actually sued.

This was already dismissed as clickbait on the Switch board.

Nobody has been "told" to do anything. Certain people are just playing it safe of their own accord, they have never been instructed to do so by Nintendo or TPC. This is literally just how business works. They were "told" to do so by their own managers/bosses, because said managers/bosses are choosing to do so in hopes of gaining company relation brownie points.

It's like if a company chooses not to overly praise Google because they hope to woo over Apple. They were never told to do so at all, they just chose to do so in hopes of advancing their own business interests.

TheMikh posted...

wait so does it actually include pokemon ip or has pokemon just created so many pokemon that every fantasy creature looks like one these days

Its just a good number of Pals that get brought up look a little too similar to Pokemon. Like you can put them side to side and see what makes them similar, yet they are different enough to skirt by copyright. Its a big reason why the game developers werent sued as soon as the game surfaced before release.

The problem is that because the designs are similar enough and they have guns that sparked the game being kind of a meme and a way to basically shit on Pokmon. Which if you look at what the developers have made or are making its kinda par for the course that they take popular IPs and just make sort of copies of them while still making them different enough to squeeze by. Just look at Craftopia being a BotW clone with crafting or their Hollow Knight and Among Us styles looking games.

Enclave posted...

GameFreak doesn't own an entire art style, suggesting that using a similar art style is them marketing the game as Pokemon with guns is ridiculous. If you're going to claim they marketed the game as Pokemon with guns then show the actual marketing, pointing at the art style isn't nearly enough. Hell, the game itself isn't even really like Pokemon, it has far more in common with Ark.

Uh huh.

It doesnt own an art style sure but character designs they do own and when you look at some of the Pals you can clearly see what some of them are trying to be inspired by. And again I didnt say that the developers stated this was the intent but again its kinda clear where the hook is coming from and the fact word of mouth is being used to describe the game as Pokemon with Guns and even to this day with it selling or having close to 20 million players that played the game its still being pushed as competition for Pokemon.

maybe im not looking in the right place but the only ppl i see comparing palworld to pokemon are palworld players

palworld is not even in the same genre as pokemon

if not for a few monsters designs being rip offs of pokemon designs i doubt any one would have ever drawn conclusion between the 2

AceMos posted...

maybe im not looking in the right place but the only ppl i see comparing palworld to pokemon are palworld players

palworld is not even in the same genre as pokemon

if not for a few monsters designs being rip offs of pokemon designs i doubt any one would have ever drawn conclusion between the 2

Pretty much, because lets be real the Survival Crafting genre of games is both niche and a dime a dozen for games. You have to have hooks to really stand out and just using a similar style with Pokmon and giving them guns is enough for Palworld to stand out.

AceMos posted...

maybe im not looking in the right place but the only ppl i see comparing palworld to pokemon are palworld players

palworld is not even in the same genre as pokemon

if not for a few monsters designs being rip offs of pokemon designs i doubt any one would have ever drawn conclusion between the 2

This is what I've been saying. The only people comparing the two appear to be trolls on either side, since the games play pretty much nothing alike.

Baha05 posted...

It doesnt own an art style sure but character designs they do own and when you look at some of the Pals you can clearly see what some of them are trying to be inspired by. And again I didnt say that the developers stated this was the intent but again its kinda clear where the hook is coming from and the fact word of mouth is being used to describe the game as Pokemon with Guns and even to this day with it selling or having close to 20 million players that played the game its still being pushed as competition for Pokemon.

I don't care about word of mouth, somebody said the game was marketed as Pokemon with guns, I asked for proof. What non-employees are saying is completely irrelevant.

I also really don't care to get into some stupid argument about if the game ripped off designs, that's up for GameFreak, TPC, Nintendo and the courts to decide and currently they're firmly on the side of not taking it to court because they likely feel they do not have a case since you cannot copyright a style.

You're trying to distract from what I asked, to go off on another tangent. My guess is because you know the devs never marketed the game as Pokemon with guns contrary to what HannibalBarca3 claimed.

Enclave posted...

I don't care about word of mouth, somebody said the game was marketed as Pokemon with guns, I asked for proof. What non-employees are saying is completely irrelevant.

I also really don't care to get into some stupid argument about if the game ripped off designs, that's up for GameFreak, TPC, Nintendo and the courts to decide and currently they're firmly on the side of not taking it to court because they likely feel they do not have a case since you cannot copyright a style.

You're trying to distract from what I asked, to go off on another tangent. My guess is because you know the devs never marketed the game as Pokemon with guns contrary to what HannibalBarca3 claimed.

Its entirely relevant to the fact that while yes there is no proof that they advertised it as such they arent shying away from it either because it is selling their game.

And it doesnt negate the fact that a style cannot be copyrighted but characters can and there are obviously legal protections from parodies. You can still see that the developers did this on purpose. Its not even remotely a distraction tangent but a part of the bigger picture here because the notion of Pokemon with guns is this games identity now because it is constantly being reinforced by the virtue of how the characters look for the Pals.

And thats why I think while yes it was never marketed as such because there might be legal problems with doing that, it is a clear case of using a specific art and character style close to Pokemon that it can generate hype when you add the guns to them.

C_Pain posted...

Literally 1984

Wow

Baha05 posted...

Its entirely relevant to the fact that while yes there is no proof that they advertised it as such they arent shying away from it either because it is selling their game.

And it doesnt negate the fact that a style cannot be copyrighted but characters can and there are obviously legal protections from parodies. You can still see that the developers did this on purpose. Its not even remotely a distraction tangent but a part of the bigger picture here because the notion of Pokemon with guns is this games identity now because it is constantly being reinforced by the virtue of how the characters look for the Pals.

And thats why I think while yes it was never marketed as such because there might be legal problems with doing that, it is a clear case of using a specific art and character style close to Pokemon that it can generate hype when you add the guns to them.

If they didn't market the game as Pokemon with guns then they didn't market the game as Pokemon with guns.

Sure you can write about all sorts of shit but I really don't care right now, I'm not in the mood to discuss that bs again. I specifically asked the person who said the game was marketed as Pokemon with guns to show said marketing, marketing that doesn't exist.

You can go on about art style, you can go on about features the game has and you can go on about how people online decided to interpret shit, it's irrelevant to what I'd asked.

Did the devs market the game as Pokemon with guns? The answer is no unless you can actually find such marketing and I've not seen it, I've only seen people on the internet say it is but that's not official marketing.

Do you get yet that I'm really not in the mood to get into the models and copyright shit again?

LightHawKnight posted...

Still dont get the stupidity with Palworld. Its just a survival game with mons, the fuck is people so worked up about it with Pokemon? Its not even the same genre. Really dont get the idiots that think Nintendo is going to sue them cause they sue fangames. Fangames get sued cause they use the name Pokemon and Pokemon in their games. Thats something Nintendo would actually care about going after. Not another mongame, let alone one that isnt even in the same genre.

Its the latest twitter drama. People dont actually care, but losers will cry about it because they want something to cry about and for now this is it

Enclave posted...

If they didn't market the game as Pokemon with guns then they didn't market the game as Pokemon with guns.

Sure you can write about all sorts of shit but I really don't care right now, I'm not in the mood to discuss that bs again. I specifically asked the person who said the game was marketed as Pokemon with guns to show said marketing, marketing that doesn't exist.

You can go on about art style, you can go on about features the game has and you can go on about how people online decided to interpret shit, it's irrelevant to what I'd asked.

Did the devs market the game as Pokemon with guns? The answer is no unless you can actually find such marketing and I've not seen it, I've only seen people on the internet say it is but that's not official marketing.

Yeah but again it doesnt negate the fact that its being pushed as that from various other places and its not being commented on or corrected. Which is the biggest problem regardless of it was marketed as such or not the intention of the developers is pretty damn clear what they were going for. You change those designs into something else and you lose that word of mouth comparison.

yet hololive JP members have been streaming Palworld without any issues or backlash

PiOverlord posted...

Sure, but Pokemon is a very important franchise, whereas Palworld represents a disruption to it.

yet Japanese people are okay with Palworld

this is non issue and Nintendo isn't rushing to stop Palworld

Would be pretty cool if it applied to this board too.

Y'all have been pretty fucking obnoxious with how many threads get made about that game.

Japanese celebrity culture is somehow even weirder than ours here in the USA.

PiOverlord posted...

Sure, but Pokemon is a very important franchise, whereas Palworld represents a disruption to it.

Important?

WingsOfGood posted...

Important?

Im sure he meant important in the world of gaming. in the grand scheme, no game, or book, movie, or TV show, for that matter are important.