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Cotton_Eye_Joe
11/12/23 9:55:44 AM
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I can't imagine your typical chain restaurant wanting to spend money on postage to say "we decided to go with a different candidate",

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Doe
11/12/23 9:56:29 AM
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Chain restaurants say that now? They always need workers

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GeraldDarko
11/12/23 9:56:39 AM
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Phones have been around for some time...

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EmilyTheCEman
11/12/23 9:56:44 AM
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Phones existed, man.

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Dakimakura
11/12/23 9:56:56 AM
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Telecommunications

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Cotton_Eye_Joe
11/12/23 9:59:55 AM
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GeraldDarko posted...
Phones have been around for some time...
The rejections are usually automated

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pnut027
11/12/23 10:01:06 AM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
The rejections are usually automated
They are now.

They did not used to be. Youd get a call saying you were not selected for the position.

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cuttin_in_farm
11/12/23 10:01:35 AM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
The rejections are usually automated

Keep in mind, no internet also means less applicants.

It was also common to just walk in for interviews and such. You were filtered out there.

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Klaus343
11/12/23 10:04:34 AM
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They didn't. As in, they didn't reject applicants. If there was a vacancy -- you just went in, and had an interview.
Often, you'd just be given the job (as long as you really didn't mess up).

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ExtremeLuchador
11/12/23 10:46:19 AM
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You'd usually only hear from anybody if you got hired.

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ai123
11/12/23 10:49:50 AM
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Actual postal rejection letters used to be a thing.

They used a standard form of words too.

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TheOtherMike
11/12/23 10:53:37 AM
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They didn't. You just never heard from them after the interview.

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LeoRavus
11/12/23 11:20:29 AM
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People expect to be notified of that?

With most jobs I didn't get I just never hear anything and move on. Like a "Don't call us we'll call you" deal. Even the fucking USPS after I drove for an hour and took a test. Crickets.

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divot1338
11/12/23 11:21:10 AM
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Kiss my grits.

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Unsuprised_Pika
11/12/23 11:24:15 AM
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They checked for a pulse

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Lil_Bit83
11/12/23 11:25:58 AM
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By either sending a letter, or just not contacting someone.

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chaos_knight
11/12/23 11:27:33 AM
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If a business does not hire you, why would they ever bother to call in the first place? Silence itself should be the rejection.

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Forty_Niners
11/12/23 11:30:47 AM
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They didn't reply.

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hyperskate65
11/12/23 11:30:50 AM
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I've never seen a restaurant decline anyone lol

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brestugo
11/12/23 11:34:17 AM
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pnut027 posted...
They are now.

They did not used to be. Youd get a call saying you were not selected for the position.

Or the old "we'll be in touch if we're interested". If you didn't hear anything after a week or so, that was your answer.

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AzNDarkSamurai
11/12/23 11:34:23 AM
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hyperskate65 posted...
I've never seen a restaurant decline anyone lol

depends which restaurant. plenty of high end restaurants have passed on workers if they arent good.

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Rowdy54
11/12/23 11:34:42 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Part of me misses those days of paper applications. I always tried to hand them in to the manager so they could see me and shake hands. Felt I had better success than the anonymous nature of online applications.

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A_Good_Boy
11/12/23 11:35:01 AM
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You don't need the internet to ghost people.

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brestugo
11/12/23 11:41:20 AM
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Rowdy54 posted...
Part of me misses those days of paper applications. I always tried to hand them in to the manager so they could see me and shake hands. Felt I had better success than the anonymous nature of online applications.

That was the advice.

I remember going to drop off an application once and then coming back later that day, just to specifically give it to the manager. Didn't work out, which I still find funny.

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chaos_knight
11/12/23 11:43:15 AM
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Reality is that you were always a possible new cog for their machine. Managers don't give a fuck which cog they get, especially nowadays.

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Cotton_Eye_Joe
11/13/23 1:33:41 PM
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pnut027 posted...
They are now.

They did not used to be. Youd get a call saying you were not selected for the position.
With phone calls you could demand feedback

Rejection e-mails are delivered by a bot.

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InTheEyesOfFire
11/13/23 1:41:47 PM
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ExtremeLuchador posted...
You'd usually only hear from anybody if you got hired.


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KiwiTerraRizing
11/13/23 1:46:01 PM
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They wouldnt reject you, they would keep your application on a stack. The turnover is so high they would start calling once they lost somebody.

I worked at a pizza place in high school before internet applications were the norm. Had a folder full of applications and the manager would pull one and call when needed. I think they purged every few months or so.

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superbot400
11/13/23 1:51:38 PM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
I can't imagine your typical chain restaurant wanting to spend money on postage to say "we decided to go with a different candidate",
Its a called a interview.

you call them, they come in to be interviewed.

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Were_Wyrm
11/13/23 1:57:55 PM
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"We'll let you know"

If they called within a few days or a week, you got hired. If they didn't, you didn't.

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nocturnal_traveler
11/13/23 2:01:01 PM
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Back then, if you didn't hear from them, it was safe to assume they weren't interested. Job rejection was better because at least you knew an actual Human looked at your application.

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Gremlynn
11/13/23 2:03:33 PM
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hyperskate65 posted...
I've never seen a restaurant decline anyone lol

then you've never left your house apparently?

Like, picturing a universe in which any job that requires no specialized training or a degree or even a high school diploma doesn't get more applications than it has job openings... extrapolating from that change what everything else in that world must be like...

and man i can't even.

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hyperskate65
11/13/23 3:55:30 PM
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Gremlynn posted...
then you've never left your house apparently?

Like, picturing a universe in which any job that requires no specialized training or a degree or even a high school diploma doesn't get more applications than it has job openings... extrapolating from that change what everything else in that world must be like...

and man i can't even.

Don't be pedantic. It was obvious hyperbole based on my experience working in the service industry throughout my early years.

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Cruciferous
11/13/23 3:56:59 PM
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LeoRavus posted...
People expect to be notified of that?

With most jobs I didn't get I just never hear anything and move on. Like a "Don't call us we'll call you" deal. Even the fucking USPS after I drove for an hour and took a test. Crickets.
Typically reserved for more substantial positions than Target floor employee or McDonald's fry cook

Anything higher in management or administration typically gets this kind of treatment

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Gremlynn
11/14/23 5:12:54 AM
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hyperskate65 posted...
Don't be pedantic. It was obvious hyperbole based on my experience working in the service industry throughout my early years.

Not being pedantic. Hyperbole still requires a basis in reality and the reality is these sorts of jobs turn away several times more applicants than they accept.


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uberl33tpro
11/14/23 5:30:03 AM
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The demand for workers is high enough right now to where you'd have to be a miserable failure at life to get your application rejected from a restaurant chain. Many of them got now hiring signs up, and these signs have been up for quite some time. I've seen some restaurants operating at diminished seating capacity, because they literally don't have enough waiters or cooks to be able to fill all the tables. If things are this bad, and you still get rejected, I believe I'd just call it quits at that point. I'm perfectly OK with giving a person who can't get hired at a restaurant chain a disability check.
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Gremlynn
11/14/23 5:33:16 AM
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uberl33tpro posted...
The demand for workers is high enough right now to where you'd have to be a miserable failure at life to get your application rejected from a restaurant chain. Many of them got now hiring signs up, and these signs have been up for quite some time. I've seen some restaurants operating at diminished seating capacity, because they literally don't have enough waiters or cooks to be able to fill all the tables. If things are this bad, and you still get rejected, I believe I'd just call it quits at that point. I'm perfectly OK with giving a person who can't get hired at a restaurant chain a disability check.

What experience do you have with these chains to base this on?


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uberl33tpro
11/14/23 5:37:20 AM
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Gremlynn posted...
What experience do you have with these chains to base this on?

I know that they're not picky about who they hire. I know that even convicted felons can get jobs at restaurants. I know that now hiring signs are up and have been up at the same places for over a year now, which clearly and obvious means that they've been actively hiring the entire time.

I've seen restaurants so desperate for help that they're operating at diminished capacity, much to the frustration of customers who walk in, can't get a seat and see a bunch of empty booths that are taped off.

If someone can't get hired in this type of job market, then I honestly don't know what to say other than there's something clearly wrong with them. I think even a felon convicted of murder who just got out of the slammer after 20 years could get hired at a restaurant right now.
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leafsRULE
11/14/23 5:38:21 AM
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EmilyTheCEman posted...
Phones existed, man.


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rexcrk
11/14/23 5:48:11 AM
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Why did you single out restaurants?

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Gremlynn
11/14/23 6:05:39 AM
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uberl33tpro posted...
I know that they're not picky about who they hire. I know that even convicted felons can get jobs at restaurants. I know that now hiring signs are up and have been up at the same places for over a year now, which clearly and obvious means that they've been actively hiring the entire time.

I've seen restaurants so desperate for help that they're operating at diminished capacity, much to the frustration of customers who walk in, can't get a seat and see a bunch of empty booths that are taped off.

If someone can't get hired in this type of job market, then I honestly don't know what to say other than there's something clearly wrong with them.

Ok, you appear to basing this from the outside looking in and not based on hands on knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes. So I'll give you some anecdotes of my own from the inside.

Now hiring signs do not mean a place is actually hiring. It's common practice in high turnover environments to present as always hiring to have a steady stream of applications for when you inevitably do need to hire additional staff. Vast majority of those applications are never looked at because the place in question is not ACTUALLY hiring when it was submitted.

At least in my experience, "diminished seating" is not a result of a lack of available staff, it's slashing labor budgets. An example. We have people available to to work lunch. But lunch we had a stretch of slow lunches, where having one server, one bartender, and two cooks put us over corporates ideal labor costs. So we stopped staffing a server, the bartender handles ALL front of house on their own. Business picks back up while we are still deliberately short staffing ourselves, service is poor, word spreads. Business declines and this is our new normal staffing to keep labor in line with sales, and we adjust and on occasion find ourselves unable to serve additional tables.

We actually turn away most applicants because there aren't even enough hours to go around for the staff we do have.

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