Current Events > Ohio GOP will not allow Issue 1 to take effect

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Tyranthraxus
11/10/23 6:28:42 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Uhhhh.....so those rights don't attach until you're born?

Lady you just dunked on yourself

I await the inevitable MacBeth defense in which the defendant alleges the victim was delivered through a cesarean thus was never born with any rights.

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CyborgSage00x0
11/10/23 6:28:44 PM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
Foreign billionaires don't get to make Ohio laws, said Jennifer Gross (R-West Chester), pointing to millions from billionaires outside America that helped fund Issue 1. Gross added, This is foreign election interference, and it will not stand.
The fact that lighting bolts didn't strike her down for saving this due to the soul-crushing irony is how I know a kind and fair god doesn't exist.

They shouldn't be allowed to even do this. The federal government should stop them. Maybe arrest the governor
This. This is when the people need to grab pitchforks and torches. This is when violence *does* become the answer. What recourse is left, when the people in power are illegally planning to ignore their citizens?

Court challenges, of course, but drastic measures are needed.


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Cornmuffins
11/10/23 6:30:55 PM
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That's gross

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DemonicChaosXX
11/10/23 7:12:14 PM
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GranolaPanic posted...
Whats the point in having elections and articles on the ballot if they can do crap like this?
Republican's don't realize that the people can do this. They're praying that people are stupid.

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Phoro
11/10/23 7:13:06 PM
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Reprehensible shitfucks. I hope Ohioans don't take this laying down.

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Gritty
11/10/23 7:13:44 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
A constitution only matters if those in power choose to uphold it.
If they dont, you have a justifiable violent revolution per our constitution
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Solar_Crimson
11/10/23 7:14:16 PM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
Foreign billionaires don't get to make Ohio laws, said Jennifer Gross (R-West Chester), pointing to millions from billionaires outside America that helped fund Issue 1. Gross added, This is foreign election interference, and it will not stand.
But they had no problem with "foreign" billionaires bankrolling their causes.

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Turtlemayor333
11/10/23 7:39:35 PM
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January 6th.
Various red states removing elected Democrats from their seats.
Ignoring laws and election results.

The GOP post Trump track record for respecting democracy ain't great. We need strong Democrats shutting this garbage down before it gets more out of control.

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thekosmicfool
11/10/23 9:27:43 PM
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This is what loving freedom looks like.

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Frosted_Midna
11/10/23 9:31:37 PM
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Honestly these Republicans need to be thrown into the sun!

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streamofthesky
11/10/23 9:38:06 PM
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Abortion is now THE issue for the 2024 election in Ohio.
Every single Democrat running in Ohio needs to constantly hammer the point home that republicans don't give a damn what you voted for, they're taking your rights away anyway.
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Starks
11/10/23 9:49:46 PM
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Ohio is now in play for 2024. If anyone is looking for a 2024 and beyond coalition, pro-choice is going to be it.

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GrandConjuraton
11/10/23 9:55:28 PM
#63:


Crimsoness posted...
"No it's the voters who are wrong"


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Tmaster148
11/10/23 9:57:22 PM
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I wonder if the 2Aers will rise up against government tyranny.

they won't, because it was never about that.

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Forty_Niners
11/10/23 9:58:38 PM
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So will all the people that voted for this now vote against every single Republican that refuses to accept the election results?

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Lil_Bit83
11/10/23 9:59:27 PM
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They really are hanging themselves out to dry. Idiots.

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Xenogears15
11/10/23 10:00:05 PM
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Most of me doesn't want them to do this.

Part of me does, because it's going to put Ohio in play for the first time in awhile.

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Tyranthraxus
11/10/23 10:03:32 PM
#68:


Xenogears15 posted...
Most of me doesn't want them to do this.

Part of me does, because it's going to put Ohio in play for the first time in awhile. Hell, this flagrantly illegal move might have national repercussions.
Ohio went for Obama in 2012. It only wasn't "in play" for 2020.

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Xenogears15
11/10/23 10:05:17 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Ohio went for Obama in 2012. It only wasn't "in play" for 2020.

11 years is forever ago in politics. But yes, you are right.

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FortuneCookie
11/11/23 11:44:40 AM
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The supreme court will force them to adhere to the vote whether they like it or not. Abortion rights are the law.
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ScazarMeltex
11/11/23 11:48:30 AM
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How do you propose running then out of town if they aren't interested in going. If they were in fact to use the power of the police to stay? You gonna vote harder next time? Maybe ask them really nicely? See if you can wring a pinky promise from them?

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legendary_zell
11/11/23 11:52:52 AM
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A big flaw in our society is that people in power feel safe to say stuff like this. That shouldn't be the case. You shouldn't be able to say this and then walk around in public like it's chill. In a "freedom" loving country.

Politicians should consider it a threat to their personal freedom, their livelihoods, indeed their physical safety to become openly tyrannical.

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TheGoldenEel
11/11/23 12:01:14 PM
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Big assumption that any of these people actually live anywhere near the towns they represent

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legendary_zell
11/11/23 12:04:01 PM
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It's very easy to ignore these things if you really want to, if you restrict voting, and have the police on your side. The only one with a potential effect is collective action if that takes the form of strikes or riots. At the end of the day, you have to affect their money or physical security.

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ScazarMeltex
11/11/23 12:06:43 PM
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You don't get it. With this action they've proven that they can simply refuse to respect the results of any election they don't like. So mail campaigns, voter education, or anything related to that is pointless.

Picketing, protests, shit like that may work, but remember what happened with the George Floyd protests? The state simply allowed the cops to gloves off and brutalize anyone who got in the streets.

Any police response to a concerted effort here will be even worse because the GOP cannot allow this to be contested or questioned if their path going forward is to simply refuse to acknowledge the results of any election they don't like. Resistance to that has to be crushed immediately, that's how fascism works.

So in that event what action do you believe to be the proper course?

Democracy or any form of representative governance exists only at the sufferance of those who would be bound to it. Once it's decided that a group of people can ignore the results of the vote, if the response is not swift and harsh, then your democracy is dead.

This is a very pivotal moment here from which the direction of this country going forward will be decided, and based on the way Jan 6th and Trump have been handled I have very little faith that the correct choice will be made.

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Roachmeat
11/11/23 12:07:21 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
The GOP's issue is they literally only ran on one thing: Abortion. And now they realize it doesn't work, but they don't know what else to do, because they committed so hard to it, in the first place.

I like to think that Abortion was just first, and then they were going after the other 'horrible' stuff afterward (like seperate bathrooms, businesses being exclusionary based on race, et cetera).
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darkace77450
11/11/23 12:32:12 PM
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Roachmeat posted...
I like to think that Abortion was just first, and then they were going after the other 'horrible' stuff afterward (like seperate bathrooms, businesses being exclusionary based on race, et cetera).

A few of them have already signaled where they intend to set their sights next.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/next-thing-we-need-to-do-is-go-after-gay-marriage-tn- gop-candidate-says-same-sex-marriage-should-be-left-to-the-states/

We are a republic of free states. So, California has the right to be liberal. Tennessee has the right to be conservative. What the Supreme Court has done with Roe v. Wade and also with overturning the New York gun ban is standing firm on the 10th amendment, he began. The next thing we need to do is go after gay marriage. We need to revert that back to the states, so each and every state can decide her destiny.

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/sen-mike-braun-said-interracial-marriage-ruling-should-be-left-to-states/

In a media call on Tuesday, U.S Senator Mike Braun (R-Ind) said that the U.S. Supreme Court was wrong to legalize interracial marriage in a ruling that stretches back to Loving v. Virginia in 1967.

According to Braun, the decision should not have been made by the countrys highest court and instead been left to individual states. Even though some states had made interracial marriage illegal prior to the Supreme Court ruling.
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Hejiru
11/11/23 12:41:21 PM
#82:


FortuneCookie posted...
The supreme court will force them to adhere to the vote whether they like it or not. Abortion rights are the law.

The same supreme court that overturned Roe in the first place? Yeah right.

The current SC doesnt give a damn. A majority of the current justices were appointed to be partisan.

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lww99
11/11/23 12:43:28 PM
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This is what happened when Trump lost. Every election ever will be questioned by the MAGA crowd, any time they lose.

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Block_that_Kick
11/11/23 12:47:29 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
The supreme court will force them to adhere to the vote whether they like it or not. Abortion rights are the law.

And what army does the Supreme Court have in order to enforce the ruling should the legislature continue to refuse?

For over two centuries we have been running on the honor system, and there is almost no legal remedy should bad actors in powerful positions choose to not follow the laws. The Ohio GOP understands that and are acting accordingly.

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ScazarMeltex
11/11/23 12:50:36 PM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
And what army does the Supreme Court have in order to enforce the ruling should the legislature continue to refuse?

For over two centuries we have been running on the honor system, and there is almost no legal remedy should bad actors in powerful positions choose to not follow the laws. The Ohio GOP understands that and are acting accordingly.
Yeah for anyone who doesn't get this I would recommend Mike Duncan's The Storm before the Storm and Benjamin Carter Hett's The Death of Democracy.

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Forty_Niners
11/11/23 1:01:31 PM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
And what army does the Supreme Court have in order to enforce the ruling should the legislature continue to refuse?

For over two centuries we have been running on the honor system, and there is almost no legal remedy should bad actors in powerful positions choose to not follow the laws. The Ohio GOP understands that and are acting accordingly.
They don't have an army, however you can't prosecute without a justice system. So while they can't 'force' physically for Ohio Republicans to do anything, they can stop all enforcement of the laws from happening.

Nobody who violates their unconstitutional laws will serve a day in prison over it.

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Roachmeat
11/11/23 1:08:29 PM
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Roachmeat posted...
I like to think that Abortion was just first, and then they were going after the other 'horrible' stuff afterward (like seperate bathrooms, businesses being exclusionary based on race, et cetera).

darkace77450 posted...
A few of them have already signaled where they intend to set their sights next.

And co-incidentally, your post is exactly why I don't understand the voters that think we need a third party. It is extremely simple at this point to know one side wants to drag the whole bible into common law (and have sixteen bathrooms in every municipal building). You are here. Your bathroom is over there.

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HylianFox
11/11/23 1:15:55 PM
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Yeah, if you thought this would end with a vote you clearly didn't learn squat from 2020.
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darkace77450
11/11/23 1:27:27 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
They don't have an army, however you can't prosecute without a justice system. So while they can't 'force' physically for Ohio Republicans to do anything, they can stop all enforcement of the laws from happening.

Taken to the extreme, a police state will bypass the courts and issue summary judgments on their own.
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Forty_Niners
11/11/23 1:42:54 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
Taken to the extreme, a police state will bypass the courts and issue summary judgments on their own.
If that happens the US Government has to step in.

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darkace77450
11/11/23 3:40:05 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
If that happens the US Government has to step in.

If Trump wins next year, the US Government will be the one doing the summary judgments.
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Forty_Niners
11/11/23 4:07:18 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
If Trump wins next year, the US Government will be the one doing the summary judgments.
So be it. But states can't just violate their own constitutions and jail innocent civilians.

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divot1338
11/11/23 4:20:23 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
So be it. But states can't just violate their own constitutions and jail innocent civilians.
lol

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ScazarMeltex
11/11/23 4:41:54 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
So be it. But states can't just violate their own constitutions and jail innocent civilians.
Who is going to stop them? Rules, norms, mores, and laws mean nothing without enforcement mechanisms. Those mechanisms require people to operate them.

If people are unwilling to do so then those things are worthless and you are at the mercy of those who would do you and others harm.

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Forty_Niners
11/11/23 4:47:44 PM
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GranolaPanic posted...
You underestimate what the GOP does. Ron DeSantis had a woman arrested because she exposed him for lying about Floridas Covid rates.
And she's free right now, not in jail.

Also, why would the Ohio judges cede all of their power to Republican politicians? Nobody willingly neuters themselves. Republican or not.

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Umbreon
11/11/23 4:48:58 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
And she's free right now, not in jail.

Until Desatan is in jail for his actions, justice isn't served.

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Block_that_Kick
11/13/23 3:01:19 PM
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https://twitter.com/AndrewJTobias/status/1724087749664210989

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TyVulpine
11/13/23 3:06:31 PM
#100:


Zikten posted...
They shouldn't be allowed to even do this. The federal government should stop them. Maybe arrest the governor
The Federal government has no jurisdiction over what is an internal state matter.

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