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Trumpo
11/08/23 4:37:10 PM
#151:


https://indiecator.org/2023/01/31/the-problem-with-mrbeast/

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Kimberly
11/08/23 4:38:39 PM
#152:


Trumpo posted...
https://indiecator.org/2023/01/31/the-problem-with-mrbeast/

If we're going this route...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_woAb8tZ62U

Anyone remember Team Trees...?

Or how about TeamSeas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDCUYXkNPEI

No one should be discouraged from doing good things just because they don't achieve them perfectly. There are generations of younger folk being introduced into activism thanks to the projects undertaken by the likes of Mark Rober, MrBeast, etc. There's also a good chance that these wells actually did help a lot of people who deserved help! Nonetheless, we can acknowledge the bad things which come from this brand of activism alongside the good.

Shades of grey exist.

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Tmaster148
11/08/23 4:53:25 PM
#153:


Kimberly posted...
If we're going this route...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_woAb8tZ62U

Anyone remember Team Trees...?

Or how about TeamSeas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDCUYXkNPEI

No one should be discouraged from doing good things just because they don't achieve them perfectly. There are generations of younger folk being introduced into activism thanks to the projects undertaken by the likes of Mark Rober, MrBeast, etc. There's also a good chance that these wells actually did help a lot of people who deserved help! Nonetheless, we can acknowledge the bad things which come from this brand of activism alongside the good.

Shades of grey exist.

A problem is very little people actually want to discuss possible negatives from perceived good actions.

I started watching the #TeamTrees video and a point brought up that I hadn't even considered was about the trees being taken care of after planting. The same issue can be present here. Just because the wells were built, doesn't mean that the wells are actually getting taken care of afterwards. Which can result in the same situation occurring again.

People are too focused on the short term feel good solutions to problems that require more systematic approaches. And the minute you try to look at whether or not the philanthropic solution is a good one, people get angry.

Also the article talks about the Blindness Curing video which was another video that I got bad vibes from. It's nice to fix people's sight, but it's not like MrBeast was upfront about what kind of blindness could be cured or not and it was certainly misleading in it's own way. Which is a concern I have about the well video. What isn't being told to us about the wells?

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CyborgSage00x0
11/08/23 5:05:43 PM
#154:


royic posted...
Who cares what the motives are if someone is doing objectively good deeds. LBJ dropped a hard R every day of his life and still got the most progressive agenda through since FDR.
This. It's weird to gatekeep that if a rich person wants to give stuff a way, that they should get drawn and quartered if it wasn't done the "correct way."

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Lil_Bit83
11/08/23 5:17:26 PM
#155:


No good deeds go unpunished.

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boomgetchopped3
11/08/23 5:19:14 PM
#156:


Tmaster148 posted...


I started watching the #TeamTrees video and a point brought up that I hadn't even considered was about the trees being taken care of after planting.


that is a comedically bad point
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Lil_Bit83
11/08/23 5:20:49 PM
#157:


My opinion is, if you helped someone out big or small that's all that matters most.

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Anteaterking
11/08/23 5:20:49 PM
#158:


There are valid reasons to bash on MrBeast but

Zikten posted...
Honestly, fuck him. After he randomly gave a house to a trick or treater, when he could have made sure it we t to a homeless person. I am getting the impression he is not actually a good person. He just likes looking like a good person

is really far off the mark.

Generally unless someone is soliciting donations away from other organizations, being ineffective at charity isn't worth getting up in arms about as long as the person isn't actually harming people. "Being a good person" isn't just doing the most effective charity for the most deserving person.

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SuperSaiyanTien
11/08/23 5:21:50 PM
#159:


Trumpo posted...
https://indiecator.org/2023/01/31/the-problem-with-mrbeast/

This blog post definitely addresses a lot of my issues with him. I'll also add that he is seemingly incapable of taking criticism and he fakes his content for views (as the article touched on, the "blind" people he "cured" weren't actually blind) and (EDIT): also I question what happens to the people after he's done using them as content farms I.E. the people he gifts cars/houses to who may not be able to afford taxes on it, or the communities he donated the wells to (upkeep of them is actually quite expensive and requires a lot of work that those communities may not be trained to deal with and the wells will actually often become useless - google it)

But also the "poverty porn" as they refer to it as has only skyrocketed since Mr. Beast came on the scene and established it as a profitable path of content. I've been on YouTube for almost two decades and I haven't never seen "giving this homeless person x dollars..." videos before Mr. Beast. It's exploitative as hell, and it really frustrates me that people will talk about how terrible most rich people are because they gain their money through shady means / exploiting the poor in one breath, and then happily shill for Mr. Beast in another.

I pointed out in a different topic that Mr. Beast is far from the first rich person to give money to the poor (common targets of ire like Trump, Elon, and Bezos have all donated millions / billions), but Mr. Beast is probably the only one I can think of who is open about his exploitation to gain wealth / power and is celebrated for it. Just bizarre.

And before I get attacked: I'm not saying those three are good people or Mr. Beast is as BAD as they are. I'm using them as an example. I'm sure there are people of lesser wealth on a same level as Mr. Beast who are horrible and still donate money. Doing good things with money doesn't mean you're a good person, especially if you exploit poor people to generate wealth.

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ChildOfHades
11/08/23 5:30:11 PM
#160:


Mr. Beast really does bring out the stupid in a lot of people.
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Funkydog
11/08/23 5:35:46 PM
#161:


SuperSaiyanTien posted...
the people he gifts cars/houses to who may not be able to afford taxes on it,
He has said he offers to buy it back off them for its actual value so they get a giant lump sum instead if they'd rather.

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Lorenzo_2003
11/08/23 5:36:19 PM
#162:


Trumpo posted...
Careful, the CE hivemind will hate you for thinking critically

Lolwut

Dude is mad that a rich guy helped out people in need, but its not the properly approved right people in need apparently.

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StealThisSheen
11/08/23 5:38:00 PM
#163:


Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Lolwut

Dude is mad that a rich guy helped out people in need, but its not the properly approved right people in need apparently.

It could be his personally approved "right people in need" and he'd just find something else to complain about. That's what trolls do. Dude literally shifted his argument from "There's no proof these wells were built in places that need them" to "There's no proof these wells exist."

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BakonBitz
11/08/23 5:41:15 PM
#164:


Lil_Bit83 posted...
No good deeds go unpunished.
This. The world is so incredibly fucked that if you do a good deed, people will try very hard to find a flaw in that good deed and demonize you for it.

It almost seems like it's not worth it. Might as well let the world burn and die since that's what they want.

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UnfairRepresent
11/08/23 5:44:39 PM
#165:


Lil_Bit83 posted...
My opinion is, if you helped someone out big or small that's all that matters most.


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Luteo
11/08/23 5:45:52 PM
#166:


He wouldnt do any of this if didnt make him money, views, subscribers and likes and you know it, dont use this as a excuse to show capitalism is working no its not, 100 wells helps a little bit but Africa is still poor

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havean776
11/08/23 5:48:40 PM
#167:


Luteo posted...
He wouldnt do any of this if didnt make him money, views, subscribers and likes and you know it, dont use this as a excuse to show capitalism is working no its not, 100 wells helps a little bit but Africa is still poor
... He doesn't hide this. He is very open about it.
Another dumb, "If it doesn't solve all problems in Africa than it's useless!" post

Tmaster148 posted... A problem is very little people actually want to discuss possible negatives from perceived good actions.

I started watching the #TeamTrees video and a point brought up that I hadn't even considered was about the trees being taken care of after planting. The same issue can be present here. Just because the wells were built, doesn't mean that the wells are actually getting taken care of afterwards. Which can result in the same situation occurring again.

People are too focused on the short term feel good solutions to problems that require more systematic approaches. And the minute you try to look at whether or not the philanthropic solution is a good one, people get angry.

Also the article talks about the Blindness Curing video which was another video that I got bad vibes from. It's nice to fix people's sight, but it's not like MrBeast was upfront about what kind of blindness could be cured or not and it was certainly misleading in it's own way. Which is a concern I have about the well video. What isn't being told to us about the wells?

Your argument has changed yet again. So now you are oh so concerned about the sustainability of those wells.... That you said don't exist.

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Akagami_Shanks
11/08/23 5:48:50 PM
#168:


the only problem i have with it is that racists use this as bait against Africa, and it pushes a narrative that Africa is reliant on white people to function

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Tmaster148
11/08/23 5:55:46 PM
#169:


havean776 posted...
Your argument has changed yet again. So now you are oh so concerned about the sustainability of those wells.... That you said don't exist.

My point of discussion has always been around the effectiveness of the wells if they exist. You weren't interested in discussing it before and I have no reason to discuss this with you now.

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MICHALECOLE
11/08/23 5:56:10 PM
#170:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
the only problem i have with it is that racists use this as bait against Africa, and it pushes a narrative that Africa is reliant on white people to function
So your problem is that hes helping while white
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itachi15243
11/08/23 5:58:28 PM
#171:


Pikachuchupika posted...
While much of the reaction to Donaldsons video seemed to focus on how it shamed the Kenyan government, its creator anticipated a backlash, saying on X that he knows Im gonna get canceled because I uploaded a video helping people, and to be 100% clear, I dont care

Where did it shame the Kenyan government? I watched the video when it was posted here and I don't remember that happening at all.

Also, MrBeast obviously isn't going to be canceled ANY time soon. Lmao

Like I personally don't like the guy, but he does good things. What he does should honestly be considered as the bare minimum for the rich. (Along with actually paying taxes obviously) but he's still doing good things with his money. Better than most at least

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havean776
11/08/23 5:59:21 PM
#172:


Tmaster148 posted...
My point of discussion has always been around the effectiveness of the wells if they exist. You weren't interested in discussing it before and I have no reason to discuss this with you now.
Really?
Tmaster148 posted... Because no one has evidence that the wells have actually been built besides the youtube video making the claim that the wells were built.


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Sandalorn
11/08/23 6:05:03 PM
#173:


Luteo posted...
He wouldnt do any of this if didnt make him money, views, subscribers and likes and you know it, dont use this as a excuse to show capitalism is working no its not, 100 wells helps a little bit but Africa is still poor


It's official folks. Mr Beast individually could not in fact make the entire continent of Africa rich.

What a bastard.

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itachi15243
11/08/23 6:18:30 PM
#174:


Sandalorn posted...
It's official folks. Mr Beast individually could not in fact make the entire continent of Africa rich.

What a bastard.

The funniest part is that he didn't monetize the well video. He did all of it through his charity and through funds donated through his charity that he asked for people to donate to.

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Akagami_Shanks
11/08/23 6:25:44 PM
#175:


MICHALECOLE posted...
So your problem is that hes helping while white
Sure thats one way to describe the very real white savior problem

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Kradek
11/08/23 6:26:09 PM
#176:


Tmaster148 posted...
I'm saying that despite good intentions, the areas that wells were built may not have necessarily been the areas that needed wells built. Considering the goal of building the wells was for a video, his actions were publicity first and not results.

But I know it's a crime to dare question a youtuber about their actions and that I should just trust that everything done by youtubers is done out of their kindness of their heart.

Bro, you are being so fucking obnoxious and unjustly arrogant lol. "I don't simp for Youtubers", yeah you shit just on them for doing good things with their money instead of just hoarding it by spreading conspiracies about them based off your shallow emotions. Such a pinnacle of integrity.

According to CNN up to 500k people will benefit from these wells and with an accompanying fundraiser for water treatment that raised over 300k by Monday.

There's the proof that it's helping people, now it's on you to demonstrate that CNN is less-informed about this than random haters on the Internet who likely have never done any sort of charity or public service.

itachi15243 posted...
Like I personally don't like the guy, but he does good things. What he does should honestly be considered as the bare minimum for the rich. (Along with actually paying taxes obviously) but he's still doing good things with his money. Better than most at least

This is my thing as well.

Like in previous threads when people were pissy because "he could have built way more!", yeah, he also could have been like the vast majority of wealthy people who built 0 wells.

People bitch about a lot of things, but seeing so many haters on something like this is legitimately concerning for their mental state and well-being.

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Tmaster148
11/08/23 6:27:10 PM
#177:


Kradek posted...
Bro, you are being so fucking obnoxious and unjustly arrogant lol. "I don't simp for Youtubers", yeah you shit just on them for doing good things with their money instead of just hoarding it by spreading conspiracies about them based off your shallow emotions. Such a pinnacle of integrity.

According to CNN up to 500k people will benefit from these wells and with an accompanying fundraiser for water treatment that raised over 300k by Monday.

There's the proof that it's helping people, now it's on you to demonstrate that CNN is less-informed about this than random haters on the Internet.

Sorry I offended you

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Kradek
11/08/23 6:29:50 PM
#178:


Tmaster148 posted...
Sorry I offended you

You should be sorry to the part of our brains that let us think critically. That's where you clearly have some issues.

And I see you still have no proof for your conspiracy other than your emotional hysteria and hateboner.

I provided proof like you asked. Your turn.

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MICHALECOLE
11/08/23 6:46:21 PM
#179:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
Sure thats one way to describe the very real white savior problem
What is the very real white savior problem
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BroodRyu
11/08/23 6:46:38 PM
#180:


BroodRyu posted...
Why are you all letting tmaster troll you?

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mario2000
11/08/23 6:47:11 PM
#181:


MICHALECOLE posted...
What is the very real white savior problem

google is right there bud

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archizzy
11/08/23 6:50:18 PM
#182:


This is such an entertaining thread. Some real gems in this topic lol.

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godofwar596
11/08/23 6:50:23 PM
#183:


If hes doing it for his ego and to make more money and not out of the goodness of his heart, who cares?? At the end of the day he still did something good for the less fortunate, even if its done for selfish reasons

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MICHALECOLE
11/08/23 6:51:15 PM
#184:


mario2000 posted...
google is right there bud
so should he not help because he is white? Seems like a weird take
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NatsuSama
11/08/23 6:59:57 PM
#185:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
Sure thats one way to describe the very real white savior problem


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Shishiwakamaru
11/08/23 7:04:17 PM
#186:


That one guy went too far and cannot be serious, but there plenty of people who seriously seem to be bothered by what Mr.Beast did for some reason.

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majin_nemesis
11/08/23 7:49:42 PM
#188:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
Sure thats one way to describe the very real white savior problem
there's no problem
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BakonBitz
11/08/23 7:51:27 PM
#189:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
Sure thats one way to describe the very real white savior problem
I don't think a "white savior problem" shouldn't deter any rich person from doing the things MrBeast is doing, just because they happen to be white.

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Robot2600
11/08/23 8:28:02 PM
#190:


building wells is a good thing.

you're seriously fucked in the head if you think MrBeast is the badguy for this.

what a fucking joke.

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LightHawKnight
11/08/23 10:53:19 PM
#191:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIfO6etEZ0U

So the whole criticism thing is just clickbait as well? "Journalists" misquoted the activist and the person bitching about white savior or whatever bullshit wasnt even an activist, he was an "aspiring" politician that everyone laughed at when he said his bullshit line?

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ironman2009
11/08/23 11:16:28 PM
#192:


mr beast 2024

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ellis123
11/08/23 11:24:20 PM
#193:


LightHawKnight posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIfO6etEZ0U

So the whole criticism thing is just clickbait as well? "Journalists" misquoted the activist and the person bitching about white savior or whatever bullshit wasnt even an activist, he was an "aspiring" politician that everyone laughed at when he said his bullshit line?
I thought it was pretty obvious that the whole thing was fake. Do people just recognize the TC or something?

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ShineboxPhil
11/08/23 11:36:48 PM
#194:


@jeffhardyb0yz

Damn, you didn't have to go gloves off on zikten like that...

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archizzy
11/09/23 11:19:16 AM
#195:


How does everyone feel about this after a nights rest? Entertain me with more opinions today.

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mario2000
11/09/23 11:52:49 AM
#196:


MrBeast still sucks ass sorry

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FortuneCookie
11/09/23 11:53:58 AM
#197:


And then, she added, overnight, this person comes along, who happens to be a white male figure with a huge platform, and all of a sudden, he gets all of the attention. Its kind of frustrating, but its also understanding the nature of how the world is.

We don't have a problem with him doing the right thing.
We don't have a problem with him doing the right thing for the publicity.
We have a problem with a white person being the one to make a difference.

I'm dyin' here.

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MICHALECOLE
11/09/23 11:55:11 AM
#198:


FortuneCookie posted...
We don't have a problem with him doing the right thing.
We don't have a problem with him doing the right thing for the publicity.
We have a problem with a white person being the one to make a difference.

I'm dyin' here.

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_Valigarmanda_
11/09/23 12:04:03 PM
#199:


Great thing he's doing but no, MrBeast, your goofy ass isn't getting cancelled

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majin_nemesis
11/09/23 12:41:26 PM
#200:


MICHALECOLE posted...
Sure thats one way to describe the very real white savior problem
there's no problem
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