Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 5 (Gaza Invaded)

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pikachupwnage
11/10/23 6:54:16 PM
#151:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1722982731833835681?t=dEsMvv5YvkZAyzSB7pABcw&s=19

A rare L for Fettermen

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Zikten
11/10/23 7:08:10 PM
#152:


I can't believe that I am saying

FUCK FETTERMAN

I don't live in PA but I cheered him on. God damn bastard
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Forty_Niners
11/10/23 7:09:53 PM
#153:


How many hostages do you think Israel will end up killing 'accidentally'?

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divot1338
11/10/23 7:40:45 PM
#154:


Forty_Niners posted...
How many hostages do you think Israel will end up killing 'accidentally'?
No more than 239

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Cheater87
11/10/23 7:58:47 PM
#155:


Forty_Niners posted...
How many hostages do you think Israel will end up killing 'accidentally'?

About all.

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kage_53
11/11/23 12:20:21 AM
#156:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f8806571.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d6d4905a.jpg

That toddler had leg amputation and there are thousands more like him. WHO said every 10 minutes a child is getting killed in Gaza. This is so messed up. I honestly cant believe there are people who defend Israel for doing this.
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Foppe
11/11/23 1:09:11 AM
#157:


Had a mod delete my post about what Netanyahu said about Hitler, because it was "offensive".
It got reversed, so you know that it is allowed.

Anyway, Israel adjusts the deaths of the terrorist attack last month from 1400 to 1200. They had originally identified 200 terrorists as victims.

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Trumble
11/11/23 1:13:03 AM
#158:


Foppe posted...
Had a mod delete my post about what Netanyahu said about Hitler, because it was "offensive".
It got reversed, so you know that it is allowed.

Anyway, Israel adjusts the deaths of the terrorist attack last month from 1400 to 1200. They had originally identified 200 terrorists as victims.
Same, and mine got overturned too. The fact they jumped straight to a warning on a completely clean history usermap-wide makes it obvious they were trying to silence criticism of Israel rather than genuinely enforce rules; five bucks says they won't so much as get told off though. Still, good to see that the mod team as a whole has a not-supporting-war-criminals attitude on this matter even if there's still some individual mods who don't.

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Tyranthraxus
11/11/23 1:20:04 AM
#159:


If you search for "netanyahu absolves hitler of guilt" you can easily find the source for the quote on many reputable sites.

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AltAccount3
11/11/23 1:22:56 AM
#160:


Foppe posted...
Had a mod delete my post about what Netanyahu said about Hitler, because it was "offensive".
It got reversed, so you know that it is allowed.

Anyway, Israel adjusts the deaths of the terrorist attack last month from 1400 to 1200. They had originally identified 200 terrorists as victims.

Trumble posted...
Same, and mine got overturned too.
I appreciate the company you guys provide to these live threads. It would suck seeing anyone be modded over a bad comment in a dead-end debate, so it's great that you guys got your stuff overturned.

Probably funny coming from me, I know, but I purged my own account over an exceedingly dark joke with full expectation of being purged lmfao. Knew I had this alt though, that I could use to keep the live threads rolling, and that's all I care about.

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Foppe
11/11/23 1:25:29 AM
#161:


I mean, I can understand if it was a misunderstanding, if you dont know about it then it does sound offensive to say that the Israel PM said something positive about Hitler.

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AltAccount3
11/11/23 1:53:13 AM
#162:


Journalist in Gaza with balls and nerves made of fucking steel attempts to continue reporting even as the hospital area around him is hit by large bombs from Israel.
https://streamable.com/vhogpa

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Dark_Arbron
11/11/23 3:33:34 AM
#163:


The mods who made those false calls should be identified and lose their mod status. Enough tolerating misconduct.

Heck, give one of their spots to me. Id have our troll issue sorted overnight.

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Trumble
11/11/23 3:40:23 AM
#164:


Dark_Arbron posted...
The mods who made those false calls should be identified and lose their mod status. Enough tolerating misconduct.

Heck, give one of their spots to me. Id have our troll issue sorted overnight.
They won't. It'll be just like when that anti-vax moderator got protected by the admins and other mods back during the height of covid, at the same time as clearly satirical posts were being hit for "misinformation".

As nice as it'd be to see further action, let's just be happy the bullshit moderations got overturned. That's already more than one can usually expect here.

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Hornezz
11/11/23 4:40:08 AM
#165:


Israel must stop killing babies and women in Gaza, French President Emmanuel Macron has told the BBC.

In an exclusive interview at the lyse Palace, he said there was "no justification" for the bombing, saying a ceasefire would benefit Israel.

While recognising Israel's right to protect itself, "we do urge them to stop this bombing" in Gaza, he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67356581

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Zikten
11/11/23 5:09:05 AM
#166:


Nice the world leaders are finally realizing enough is enough. Just wish they had come to this before 10,000 dead Gazans
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Dark_Arbron
11/11/23 5:11:41 AM
#167:


Dont get your hopes up. They can make these statements all they want, but its meaningless unless they lead to action.

Think of how many war crimes the UN has condemned on all sides of the Syrian civil war over the past decade, yet they keep happening.

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Trumble
11/11/23 5:21:35 AM
#168:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Dont get your hopes up. They can make these statements all they want, but its meaningless unless they lead to action.

Think of how many war crimes the UN has condemned on all sides of the Syrian civil war over the past decade, yet they keep happening.
Sure, it's small, but it's more than we've seen in the past. And in particular, the fact it's coming from some of Israel's closest allies (the US and France) is noteworthy, too.

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Dark_Arbron
11/11/23 5:23:36 AM
#169:


Trumble posted...
Sure, it's small, but it's more than we've seen in the past. And in particular, the fact it's coming from some of Israel's closest allies (the US and France) is noteworthy, too.

Im out of the loop, has Biden called them on it? I thought people were hating on him quite strongly these past few days because hes done just the opposite.

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Foppe
11/11/23 5:35:02 AM
#170:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Dont get your hopes up. They can make these statements all they want, but its meaningless unless they lead to action.

Think of how many war crimes the UN has condemned on all sides of the Syrian civil war over the past decade, yet they keep happening.
UN have released many reports of Israel breaking human rights and done war crimes for ages, and yet they keep happening.

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Trumble
11/11/23 5:46:58 AM
#171:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Im out of the loop, has Biden called them on it? I thought people were hating on him quite strongly these past few days because hes done just the opposite.
Kinda. I also recall hearing that some other significant US officials were calling Israel out more harshly than Biden, too, but I forget the exact details. The name Blinken rings a bell here?

Again, while I doubt it's gonna make a huge difference immediately, it's not that long ago that anything short of total support from the US and France was imaginable so... It's a start. It's possible to give credit where it's due while also saying we need way more.

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Dark_Arbron
11/11/23 5:51:01 AM
#172:


Foppe posted...
UN have released many reports of Israel breaking human rights and done war crimes for ages, and yet they keep happening.

Absolutely, Syria was just an example. Our point stands - doesnt really matter that these things are being called out if there arent actual consequences attached.

But as Ive said for years, the UNs jurisdiction doesnt actually include developed countries, only small dictatorships. Otherwise many world leaders (starting with every US president for the last 70 years) would be on trial for war crimes.

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11/11/23 10:02:41 AM
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Antifar
11/11/23 10:55:07 AM
#173:


This is a hell of an interview
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers

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Takuya_Lee
11/11/23 10:57:15 AM
#174:


Trumble posted...
Kinda. I also recall hearing that some other significant US officials were calling Israel out more harshly than Biden, too, but I forget the exact details. The name Blinken rings a bell here?

Again, while I doubt it's gonna make a huge difference immediately, it's not that long ago that anything short of total support from the US and France was imaginable so... It's a start. It's possible to give credit where it's due while also saying we need way more.

I agree with that. Their response with the last 2 Israeli offenses have been different from the past, but more needs to be done by them. Israel has a right to defend itself, but not a right to commit genocide on civilians.

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punkfanalways
11/11/23 11:03:50 AM
#176:


Takuya_Lee posted...
I agree with that. Their response with the last 2 Israeli offenses have been different from the past, but more needs to be done by them. Israel has a right to defend itself, but not a right to commit genocide on civilians.

Careful with who you are arguing with. I said something similar and got accused by Trimble of not caring about the innocent Palestinians currently dying.

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Starks
11/11/23 11:11:45 AM
#177:


Bibi is in a really dark place now. As soon as this war ends, his govt enters self-preservation mode until 2026 or it falls apart quickly. The judicial reform protests, reservist protests, corruption trials, and now the 10/7 inquiries will bury him.

Imagine having a 64-seat coalition (not including the war cabinet) but your opponent in that war cabinet now commands 40 seats in recent polling with just his party alone. And that's all at the expense of Bibi's Likud and no other coalition partner. Those same polls show hypothetical direct PM election scenarios that reflect this.

It's clear that Bibi is being blamed, the coalition dissolves without him, and Gantz has the red carpet rolled out for him to finally become PM after being screwed so many times prior.

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Israeli_legislative_election

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Zikten
11/11/23 11:17:24 AM
#178:


And what kind of person is Gantz? Is he a liberal Israeli or will it just be more of the same shit, just from a different name?
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Starks
11/11/23 11:22:57 AM
#179:


Centrist who led the IDF for a few years. More liberal than Bibi but not anchoring the left like Labor or Meretz.

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Foppe
11/11/23 11:36:19 AM
#180:


https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/patients-medical-staff-trapped-in-hospitals-under-fire/

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Takuya_Lee
11/11/23 11:44:22 AM
#181:


punkfanalways posted...
Careful with who you are arguing with. I said something similar and got accused by Trimble of not caring about the innocent Palestinians currently dying.

I just advocated against civilian genocide by Israel. That is caring about the civilian Palestinians.

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AltAccount3
11/11/23 11:44:36 AM
#182:


Foppe posted...
https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/patients-medical-staff-trapped-in-hospitals-under-fire/
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/84dcf33f.jpg
In the basement? Impossible. I thought Hamas HQ was there

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ai123
11/11/23 11:50:26 AM
#183:


Of all the heartbreaking stories, this one really got to me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-67273969

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ScazarMeltex
11/11/23 12:36:18 PM
#184:


Yeah apparently shit is bad at Al-Shifa Hospital, Israelis have cut off water and electricity and sniping at anyone they see moving in the building, including doctors. Which by the way is yet another massive violation of the Geneva Convention.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/we-are-minutes-away-from-death-gazas-al-shifa-hospital-under-attack

They are also doing similar shit at the al-Quds hospital as well.

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AltAccount3
11/11/23 12:46:54 PM
#185:


ScazarMeltex posted...
Yeah apparently shit is bad at Al-Shifa Hospital, Israelis have cut off water and electricity and sniping at anyone they see moving in the building, including doctors. Which by the way is yet another massive violation of the Geneva Convention.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/we-are-minutes-away-from-death-gazas-al-shifa-hospital-under-attack

They are also doing similar shit at the al-Quds hospital as well.
I believe the reporter in that earlier clip I posted was stationed at that hospital. It's a very scary situation. The IDF will blow that hospital off the face of the earth. They have tanks and forces surrounding the building. People aren't running away from it, they're herding up inside of the hospital.

I believe the hospital's final hours are here. Once the hospitals are gone, death tolls will skyrocket and Gaza will be done for.

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/11/23 1:12:50 PM
#186:


Thank you Jake Tapper and CNN.

While this doesnt absolve Israels responsibility for the welfare of civilians in Gaza, Jake Tapper and CNN ask the questions and reveal the challenges if this particular conflict. Hes absolutely right. Youve got 500km of tunnels in Gaza which would certainly be useful for helping civilians escape bombardment. Why arent they using them?

https://youtu.be/e93Pu6fqlnU?si=Y7sPUJ_UceF3aaQ4

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Trumble
11/11/23 2:44:01 PM
#187:


Takuya_Lee posted...
I just advocated against civilian genocide by Israel. That is caring about the civilian Palestinians.
What he actually did to get that accusation was constant defence of Israel's actions followed by attempts to derail the topic with completely unrelated matters.

Although, I would argue at this point Israel needs to not even have self defence rights - with the very important caveat that a neutral party (or at least a non-genocidal ally) needs to take over that role rather than leaving anyone defenceless. Israel's government cannot be trusted with the means to "self defence" at this point; but the civilians on both sides still need protecting.

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punkfanalways
11/11/23 2:54:05 PM
#188:


Trumble posted...
What he actually did to get that accusation was constant defence of Israel's actions followed by attempts to derail the topic with completely unrelated matters.

Well as I already pointed out in this topic earlier, and you refused to respond to it, you are talking rubbish.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80613323/977088997
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80613323/977099079

I've criticised Hamas just as much as I have Israel over the last month but I'm sorry if that doesn't match whatever you've made up in your head.

I'd also like you to provide proof of me derailing topics. And you don't get to call me out and then act as if me responding to those BS claims is "derailing" the topic. That's all on you.
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Trumble
11/11/23 3:00:08 PM
#189:


punkfanalways posted...
Well as I already pointed out in this topic earlier, and you refused to respond to it, you are talking rubbish.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80613323/977088997
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80613323/977099079

I've criticised Hamas just as much as I have Israel over the last month but I'm sorry if that doesn't match whatever you've made up in your head.

I'd also like you to provide proof of me derailing topics. And you don't get to call me out and then act as if me responding to those BS claims is "derailing" the topic. That's all on you.
Are you not the one who was posting stuff about Boris Johnson and Covid in these topics? Or was that someone else?

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punkfanalways
11/11/23 3:12:11 PM
#190:


Trumble posted...
Are you not the one who was posting stuff about Boris Johnson and Covid in these topics? Or was that someone else?

I posted one link that was meant for another topic and immediately deleted it. If that's the only time I did it (it was) I think you're being very harsh. When I did post it you already claimed it was further example of a trend you'd already got set in your mind for some reason . That along with immediately calling me an Israel apologist which can't be further than the truth and you can see why I got annoyed at being mischaracterised.
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Trumble
11/11/23 3:14:56 PM
#191:


punkfanalways posted...
I posted one link that was meant for another topic and immediately deleted it. If that's the only time I did it (it was) I think you're being very harsh. When I did post it you already claimed it was further example of a trend you'd already got set in your mind for some reason . That along with immediately calling me an Israel apologist which can't be further than the truth and you can see why I got annoyed at being mischaracterised.
Maybe I was confusing you with someone else at that point...? My bad if so.

A good reminder to rely more on tags and less on remembering usernames I guess.

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punkfanalways
11/11/23 3:21:40 PM
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It's all good. Generally I agree with pretty much everything you say so I was weirded out to think you thought I was on the other side. No hard feelings from me it sounds like a genuine mistake. Keep on fighting the good fight.
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AltAccount3
11/11/23 5:18:55 PM
#193:


Daily update is going to have to be delayed today because there seems to be an info blackout. Can't find any new info about new death tolls from any sources. Not even Al Jazeera. The hospitals being attacked may have something to do with it.

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Foppe
11/11/23 5:29:13 PM
#194:


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-it-will-help-evacuate-babies-gaza-hospital-2023-11-11/

The big question is... will they help evacuating the babies, or will they use the opportunity to get access to the hospital?
Or worse, attack the hospital because it was a trick by Hamas?

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DnDer
11/11/23 6:48:38 PM
#195:


AltAccount3 posted...
Daily update is going to have to be delayed today because there seems to be an info blackout. Can't find any new info about new death tolls from any sources. Not even Al Jazeera. The hospitals being attacked may have something to do with it.

Wouldn't be surprised. In one of your threads that established the palestinian authority as reliable when it came to wounded and death numbers by the UN, that same link and comment stated that those numbers were provided by the infrastructure in place in the hospitals.

Foppe posted...
The big question is... will they help evacuating the babies, or will they use the opportunity to get access to the hospital?
Or worse, attack the hospital because it was a trick by Hamas?

I know what I think the answers to those questions are.

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/11/23 7:27:09 PM
#196:


This guy gets it
https://time.com/6332127/israel-palestine-war-ehud-barak/

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AltAccount3
11/12/23 2:35:11 AM
#197:


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/12/israel-gaza-war-live-israeli-army-surrounding-al-quds-hospital
The WHO says it has lost communication with its contacts inside al-Shifa, the largest hospital in Gaza.

At least 11,078 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7. These figures may not be the latest as several hospitals lost contact on Saturday, delaying updates from the Gaza Ministry of Health, according to the UN.
That's a wrap then. Shit. Officially no more contact outbound. Who knows what's going down over there now.

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streamofthesky
11/12/23 2:48:11 AM
#198:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Thank you Jake Tapper and CNN.
Indeed. Refreshing to see such questions asked.
Hamas are such fucking vile scum.

Hes absolutely right. Youve got 500km of tunnels in Gaza which would certainly be useful for helping civilians escape bombardment. Why arent they using them?
Because those tunnels are for Hamas, not the civilians, apparently.
On the plus side, Hamas confirmed in their own words that no civilians are in those tunnels.
So I guess Israel can just drop explosives in them and collapse them w/o concern now, rather than actually send men in there to walk into choke-points and traps and get shot at.
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Zikten
11/12/23 4:22:14 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Indeed. Refreshing to see such questions asked.
Hamas are such fucking vile scum.

Because those tunnels are for Hamas, not the civilians, apparently.
On the plus side, Hamas confirmed in their own words that no civilians are in those tunnels.
So I guess Israel can just drop explosives in them and collapse them w/o concern now, rather than actually send men in there to walk into choke-points and traps and get shot at.
The hostages are also in the tunnels supposedly. But whether Netanyahu cares about killing hostages or not is a 50 50 chance at this point
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11/12/23 10:02:56 AM
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