Current Events > Dem: Biden's Black support is dropping because, they don't understand civics.

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legendary_zell posted...

Because as this topic demonstrates, it's the attitude from the administration and its supporters, it pervades the entire party. If it was an uncommon attitude, this would get no traction whatsoever.

You want people to hand the country over to genocidal fascists because the Democrats aren't good enough. And when people disagree with the brilliant plan, you and others scream about how they're all Democrat fanboys that don't want them to be held accountable.

hockeybub89 posted...

You want people to hand the country over to genocidal fascists because the Democrats aren't good enough. And when people disagree with the brilliant plan, you and others scream about how they're all Democrat fanboys that don't want them to be held accountable.

When have I ever said that or anything that can even be charitably interpreted as that? My main point in this topic has been that Democrats should focus on the good they've done and should try to get better so they can address people's needs, rather than insulting people.

If you're talking about that ceasefire topic, I said that actually withholding votes would be catastrophic, and that Republicans must be defeated at all costs, but that I saw no method of holding Democrats accountable if we treat them the same whether they do good things or bad things. And I got no response explaining what the path to accountability is.

hockeybub89 posted...

Well then the guy all your far-right friends love will win and destroy the entire country forever.

Not that you have any opinions of your own. I'm sure someone tells you to share these opinions to us in the first place.

If you actually had a third party. Your interests would work better. The US system wasn't built to work with only two. It's not a real democracy the way it is now. Just my opinion as an outsider.

Full_Pokedex posted...

I'm voting third party, screw both of them.

Neither party deserves my support.

That's what Republicans want. Which is why I will never do what they want me to do. Forever Blue.

Forty_Niners posted...

That's what Republicans want. Which is why I will never do what they want me to do. Forever Blue.

We had the biggest protest against police misconduct since the Civil rights movement and Biden pushed for more comes and stopped DC police reform. But yeah horrible Republicans.

hockeybub89 posted...

You want people to hand the country over to genocidal fascists because the Democrats aren't good enough. And when people disagree with the brilliant plan, you and others scream about how they're all Democrat fanboys that don't want them to be held accountable.

We had a nation murder an American report in cold blood then attack her wake. Now he lies for that very same nation. So yeah we already got that with Joe.

cjsdowg posted...

We had the biggest protest against police misconduct since the Civil rights movement and Biden pushed for more comes and stopped DC police reform. But yeah horrible Republicans.

Doesn't change anything I said. I'll never do anything that enables Republican fascists to take over this country. Ever.

Forty_Niners posted...

Doesn't change anything I said. I'll never do anything that enables Republican fascists to take over this country. Ever.

So fear of Republicans is all you got. Each year a Republicans get worse and in place of being better dems follow them to the right. Blindly voting for dems just makes republican and dems worse.

Not fear, spite.

cjsdowg posted...

We had the biggest protest against police misconduct since the Civil rights movement and Biden pushed for more comes and stopped DC police reform. But yeah horrible Republicans.

Which DC reform?

And in some areas.... we actually do need more cops. Police misconduct doesn't negate the notion that many areas are under policed.

emblem-man posted...

Which DC reform?

And in some areas.... we actually do need more cops. Police misconduct doesn't negate the notion that many areas are under policed.

More police does make ppl safer.

cjsdowg posted...

So fear of Republicans is all you got. Each year a Republicans get worse and in place of being better dems follow them to the right. Blindly voting for dems just makes republican and dems worse.

What's the alternative? Allow the GOP to win?

It's cool. You just hate women and LGBTQ people.

hockeybub89 posted...

What's the alternative? Allow the GOP to win?

It's cool. You just hate women and LGBTQ people.

Extremists like you who says the shit like this is why youre losing voters. Eventually people are going to start rolling their eyes and walk away from you.

legendary_zell posted...

When have I ever said that or anything that can even be charitably interpreted as that? My main point in this topic has been that Democrats should focus on the good they've done and should try to get better so they can address people's needs, rather than insulting people.

And my main point that it doesn't fucking matter what the Democrats do or say. We have to vote for Biden in 2024 no matter what. They could beat me up and piss on my head and I'm still not letting the GOP win. I don't give a fuck about the Democrats. I'm voting for the only viable non GOP choice no matter what. All they have to be is less bad. There is nothing else that can be done.

Full_Pokedex posted...

Extremists like you who says the shit like this is why youre losing voters. Eventually people are going to start rolling their eyes and walk away from you.

All of your friends are voting for Republicans because they hate LGBTQ people and want them to die, and the GOP promises that. I don't really care what your mommy told you an extremist is.

Good people aren't going to doom hundreds of millions of Americans to endless suffering because some guy on the Internet cared too much

hockeybub89 posted...

start rolling their eyes and walk away from you.
All of your friends are voting for Republicans because they hate LGBTQ people and want them to die,

Can you prove that? Because I've been there for almost a year now and no one has ever said anything near that extreme.

"Good people aren't going to doom hundreds of millions of Americans to endless suffering because some guy on the Internet cared too much"

Also this; this right here? That's why people are going to stop caring what you have to say.

hockeybub89 posted...

And my main point that it doesn't fucking matter what the Democrats do or say. We have to vote for Biden in 2024 no matter what. They could beat me up and piss on my head and I'm still not letting the GOP win. I don't give a fuck about the Democrats. I'm voting for the only viable non GOP choice no matter what. All they have to be is less bad. There is nothing else that can be done.

At that point, politics is completely non-functional. If this is accepted, voting rates would plummet and Republican victory would be assured. That would be a fundamental failure of the Democratic Party and our democracy as a whole.

Luckily, I don't think most voters think this way. People vote because they think better things are possible, to get to good, not just less bad.

I agree that we need to vote for Biden, but what you're discussing is an abusive relationship and it wouldn't just be apathetic black people that drop out if that's what they thought the situation was.

Full_Pokedex posted...

Extremists like you who says the shit like this is why youre losing voters. Eventually people are going to start rolling their eyes and walk away from you.

Lol, if anyone is an extremist here, its the people wholl vote third party and help the GOP to win.

Full_Pokedex posted...

Can you prove that? Because I've been there for almost a year now and no one has ever said anything near that extreme.

"Good people aren't going to doom hundreds of millions of Americans to endless suffering because some guy on the Internet cared too much"

Also this; this right here? That's why people are going to stop caring what you have to say.

I'm sorry I can't live up to the standards of Caution and Tails. But I'm not going to throw slurs at a queer person, repeatedly imply they are a pedophile, and then go "Haha this is why your mom hates you!" You didn't see it because those kinds of people are "nice to you" and they sometimes dress it up eloquently enough that someone like you can't see subtext.

legendary_zell posted...

At that point, politics is completely non-functional. If this is accepted, voting rates would plummet and Republican victory would be assured. That would be a fundamental failure of the Democratic Party and our democracy as a whole.

Luckily, I don't think most voters think this way. People vote because they think better things are possible, to get to good, not just less bad.

I agree that we need to vote for Biden, but what you're discussing is an abusive relationship and it wouldn't just be apathetic black people that drop out if that's what they thought the situation was.

It is what it is. Hope requires survival. And we both need to continue to hope that people are not so apathetic that they think giving up is preferable to treading water.

Full_Pokedex posted...

Extremists like you who says the shit like this is why youre losing voters. Eventually people are going to start rolling their eyes and walk away from you.

Democrats are gaining voters and in general get more votes than Republicans election after election. What are you talking about.

hockeybub89 posted...

What's the alternative? Allow the GOP to win?

It's cool. You just hate women and LGBTQ people.

Sometimes morality is that black and white. It's inconsequential what grievances one has with Democrats. Taking no action to oppose the GOP, is a conscious choice to not oppose the GOP's fascism.

Heineken14 posted...

Democrats are gaining voters and in general get more votes than Republicans election after election. What are you talking about.

Hundreds of thousands of people vote Repubican. To say every single one of those hundreds of thousands are Nazi esqe bigots because of the way they vote is insane.

Full_Pokedex posted...

Hundreds of thousands of people vote Repubican. To say every single one of those hundreds of thousands are Nazi esqe bigots because of the way they vote is insane.

Compare the Republican party platform to that of Nazi Germany, and say that again..

lots of main character syndrome in this topic here...

Full_Pokedex posted...

Hundreds of thousands of people vote Repubican. To say every single one of those hundreds of thousands are Nazi esqe bigots because of the way they vote is insane.

Not all Republicans are Nazis but all Nazi's vote Republican.

NatsuSama posted...

TLDR: You. Don't. Have. Enough. Power and numbers. In. Government. Yet.

Yet is irrelevant because Democrats will never have enough power, they'll always make up some excuse. Democrats have had plenty of majorities and yet the country is still shit, because those majorities worked for corporate interests rather than worker interests.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Yet is irrelevant because Democrats will never have enough power, they'll always make up some excuse. Democrats have had plenty of majorities and yet the country is still shit, because those majorities worked for corporate interests rather than worker interests.

Should probably google 'filibuster'

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Yet is irrelevant because Democrats will never have enough power, they'll always make up some excuse. Democrats have had plenty of majorities and yet the country is still shit, because those majorities worked for corporate interests rather than worker interests.

Tagged for bothsides-ism.

mistymermaid posted...

Compare the Republican party platform to that of Nazi Germany, and say that again..

It's also important to note a lot of Nazi party members didn't necessarily believe in the genocidal aspects. They were just too cowardly and feckless to be bothered opposing it

Voting for a trash party thinking they do will do good, ends up doing nothing. The American way.

Full_Pokedex posted...

Hundreds of thousands of people vote Repubican. To say every single one of those hundreds of thousands are Nazi esqe bigots because of the way they vote is insane.

I reiterate my last sentence. What in the fuck are you talking about.

Charismic_Zach_Gowen posted...

It's also important to note a lot of Nazi party members didn't necessarily believe in the genocidal aspects. They were just too cowardly and feckless to be bothered opposing it

Plus a lot of them are ignorant of it, or have been misled. The bizarro world that is Republican media portrays Democrats as the villain.

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Forty_Niners posted...

That's what Republicans want. Which is why I will never do what they want me to do. Forever Blue.

The poster you're responding to is a Trumper, so them voting 3rd party is actually what people who don't want Republicans want.

I mean, voting Dem would be better, but as long as they're not actively voting to make the country worse, that's a positive.