Current Events > Deadline confirms that The Marvels is tracking below The Flash and Black Adam.

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

No surprise in a country that elected Trump

>Superhero movie thread
>Trump mentioned

How do you guys always manage to bring up Trump lmao.

lilORANG posted...

2/3 of the titular Marvels got their start in Disney+ shows. Disney really miscalculated how many people would be tuning into the shows, and now nobody cares about their movies bc they don't have time to fully invest in the MCU anymore.

Bummer bc the run up to Endgame was amazing but it seems they've really lost their momentum

I stopped because I knew I wasn't getting Disney+, and with so many shows being integral to the meta-narrative I figured I may as well not bother with the movies anymore either.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Its a lot of things. MCU has ran out of gas. Theres no story line to follow so unpopular characters have nothing going for them unless the movie is really good.

Also the movie just doesnt seem like a good idea? Ill probably watch it, cause I think it looks alright, but a good chunk of the movies story is LOCKED behind 2 tv shows, ome of them not being very popular.

This probably wouldnt have been greenlit during the peak of MCU

During the peak of the MCU these character's storylines would've been handled in bigger movies.

creativerealms posted...

Okay. If it fails I hope Marvel and Disney learn from their mistakes and start putting effort into their films. The problem is they are all the same and by the numbers. There is no longer a reason to watch them.

They just need to slow **** down. They have so many movies being release that are cannibalizing each other. Phase three is when Disney went ham because Marvel was releasing billions dollar money.

Phase one and Phase two had slower cycle because Marvel was much more careful and playing safe with their character.

It's not woke ****. Conseratives couldn't do **** when Barbie beat ****ing Mario in the box office.

I wonder if Larson will want to leave. She signed a 7 movie contract. That's a lot of movies.

AsucaHayashi posted...

>MCU is dead or dying
>literally the last movie release was GOTG3 which was a success.

so basically see you back when the next good movie comes out which might or might not be the Marvels.

GotG3 only succeeded because it could ride on the Avengers wave of Phases 1-3 and build a fanbase. Those fans lined up to go watch the 3rd installment. If GotG debuted today, it would probably flop due to lack of interest.

EDIT: FFS so many stupid edit mistakes. I need to wake up

I mean, I can't say I'm too surprised. The gimmick about the two characters switching places when they use their powers is interesting, but the characters just come across as bland. Kamala looks like the only one who's gonna have any personality to speak of. "You're so strong," isn't really a selling point for me. And don't call me sexist because I saw Black Widow in the theater.

Even when you get past right-wingers complaining about woke Disney or forced feminism, would it really make a difference if this was about Ant-Man and Winter Soldier?

I don't know if people are over superheroes in general or if they're tired of superheroes whose names they didn't know from childhood. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I don't predict Marvel's fortunes will improve until they get an X-Men movie. And if that one underperforms, then you know people are over superhero movies. Unless the X-Men reboot is about Storm - in which case we'll have people complaining that it's because Disney went woke. Last time I checked, the most recent Disney protagonist to have a penis didn't do too well either.

Blaming this on the actor strike preventing proper promotion at Cons seems odd - that's the one group that doesn't need extra encouragement to see comic book movies. Promotion in general, sure, but The Marvel's was never slated to be a big hit.

superbot400 posted...

They just need to slow **** down. They have so many movies being release that are cannibalizing each other. Phase three is when Disney went ham because Marvel was releasing billions dollar money.

Phase one and Phase two had slower cycle because Marvel was much more careful and playing safe with their character.

It's not woke ****. Conseratives couldn't do **** when Barbie beat ****ing Mario in the box office.

Slowing down would be smart. The TV shows were a mistake.

I think itll still do alright if the movie is good but disappointing regardless

MCU has been really hit or miss after endgame because endgame itself could have been the finale for MCU. Plus I think the overall hype for superhero movies is going down and people are more interested in watching something else.

Tmaster148 posted...

MCU has been really hit or miss after endgame because endgame itself could have been the finale for MCU. Plus I think the overall hype for superhero movies is going down and people are more interested in watching something else.

There have been several great superhero movies since Endgame, but they are all DC. Zack Snyder Justice League, The Suicide Squad and The Batman were all pretty good. I don't think there has been a single great MCU movie since Endgame, and that includes No Way Home and GoTG3.

Those TV shows feel really lame. Except for Wanda the other ones feel like chopped up movies.

lilORANG posted...

2/3 of the titular Marvels got their start in Disney+ shows.

Don't forget Secret Invasion touched on a ton of the plot from Captain Marvel, enough to make it a 3rd show necessary to keep up with everything that will be involved in this movie. Probably more important than a couple simple origin stories.

Marvel has learned the hard way, movies aren't comics. The moviegoing public is not as receptive to following a million titles to understand something in other titles. >__>

I'm in the camp of "tv shows were a mistake".

If they had just made like .. 2 of them? Maybe it would be fine. Maybe even 3 if they were spaced out appropriately.

But they went HAM on the tv shows and half of them are mandatory and half of them are whatever, and some of them tie into things you wouldn't think they tie into etc etc.

Im not keeping up with all that shit. The reason the first set of films were so good is because everything was in the movies.

You wanna know what happens to Thor? Go watch his fucking movie. I didn't have to take my time between films to go watch shows.

TV shows should have just been side-content that enrich the universe. They could introduce a concept or organization or character through the show, but anything super important should have been movie-only.

And they should have made less of them.

All the MCU Disney+ shows have accomplished is guaranteeing that new people won't spend the time required to get invested in the story line. There are, what, like 8 new MCU D+ shows from the last few years alone? That's dozens of hours of content on top of having to watch all the movies.

We're approaching mainstream comics levels of interwoven bullshit that average people aren't going to keep up with.

I think most Disney+ shows suck, but unless you want to know every detail of their origin, the characters introduced showing up later in movies are pretty straightforward. Theyre a superhero- thats all you need to know.

Were people complaining when Black Panther just showed up in Civil War?

Now, whats important is the character having a role or purpose in the film. Contrast to Black Adam, where we had some characters in who were just there to add more heroes to movie and just follow along the plot line without actually contributing to story either by directing it or making their experience the focus. The family had more narrative impact than anyone who wasnt Black Adam or Doctor Fate. Black Panther, on the other hand, had his own actual storyline running through Civil War.

So if Kamala and Monica have their own storylines, they can hopefully function fine independent of the audience being familiar with them. I dont even know if Monica got her powers in WandaVision or if shes getting them in the Marvels. Monica I know less about, other than shes the daughter of Carols friend in Captain Marvel. Kamala is a superhero fan girl who became a superhero- shes an easy character to understand and insert.

However, there are numerous other factors that could bring down this movie. And the MCU is bloated and could have just ended. I wont judge people who are done with the franchise. I just dont think the Marvels should be anymore the nail in the coffin than any other post-Endgame entry.

I wish Disney go full Michael Scott "I'm gonna MSheU even harder"

Unfortunately for The Marvels there has been a lot of issues gradually building up that are all hitting their hardest for this movie specifically.

The brand was more exciting in the lead up to Endgame

People are way more picky about what they'll spend money to see in theaters

Superhero movie fatigue is clearly a factor. The Flash would have been a much bigger movie pre-pandemic

Disney+ has hit a major blow for Disney movies at the box office in general. Why bother going to see this when you're guaranteed to get it included with a subscription waiting a month or so?

The Marvels itself is a weird pitch. A crossover with mostly TV characters. If they stuck with the old model or simply stuck with Captain Marvel 2 I doubt the interest would be as low.

Just a whole lot of bad decisions made all around this movie really. The saving grace for the people involved is this may be seen as a general Disney issue and not the fault of the actors and director.

Very based

There have been like 50 movies/shows since the last team up film.

There were 5 movies leading into Avengers 1.

They need to calm down.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Big shock tbh, I thought for sure this movie would be a big hit. Since, you know, captain marvel made all that money on its own and not just because of endgame hype.

... right?

tHey WeNT wOke aNd NOw BrOKE BrIE LarSoN hUrT my FeEELz!!!!

Torgo posted...

*a weird flex*

Okay.

Just wait until china's numbers come in

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Okay.

How is that even a flex?

I haven't watched an MCU movie in years, I don't have Disney plus.
I didn't know this movie was a thing until it became the latest click bait farm for the misogynist right.

Ivynn posted...

TV shows should have just been side-content that enrich the universe. They could introduce a concept or organization or character through the show, but anything super important should have been movie-only.

And they should have made less of them.

Yeah. Me thinks they should back to how the Netflix shows handled it.

Their own, self-contained storyline that is part of the MCU, but isn't necessary viewing. For example, Daredevil can still show up for major crossovers or in movies where it makes sense, but the events of his show operate independently from any ongoing major story threads in the MCU.

Torgo posted...

How is that even a flex?

I dunno. Just seems weird that you'd come out saying that a random actress hurt your feelings, lol. Just an odd thing to say, generally.

Remember how they're making a Captain America 4 movie building off Falcon and the Winter Soldier too? Good luck with that one.

If anything, the strike was a good opportunity for Marvel to cut back on the bloat and tighten up the universe

Black Adam wasn't even that bad. Its a little cheesy sometimes but its still enjoyable

The_Wheelman1 posted...

Black Adam wasn't even that bad. Its a little cheesy sometimes but its still enjoyable

I also enjoyed it. Wish DC decided to keep Cavill after the movie set up a clash between Black Adam and Superman.

Blightzkrieg posted...

There have been like 50 movies/shows since the last team up film.

There were 5 movies leading into Avengers 1.

They need to calm down.

they're striking the iron while it's hot

Nukazie posted...

they're striking the iron while it's hot

It's been 4 years since the iron was hot

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Secret Incasion wasn't liked either. Marvel also just don't have much credit in the bank anymore

Shows have definitely hurt them. I don't there's a single aspect that they've helped except Disney + subscriptions

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Hurt most definitely. A lot of them are of meh quality and are required watching to get some of the new movies (meaning extra homework)

Charged151 posted...

Hurt most definitely. A lot of them are of meh quality and are required watching to get some of the new movies (meaning extra homework)

Also contributing to burn-out. It used to be a couple movies a year that tied into each other pretty soon. Now there's a gazillion C-list projects that are all loose ends with no connecting thread. It even hurts the movies. Between Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2, there were 3 movies, that's it. Now characters are introduced and aren't seen again until several projects down the line.