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IdiotMachine
11/02/23 8:41:10 AM
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So what about Pro Ukraine / Pro Israel? Or Pro Russia / Pro Palestine?

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NeonTentacles
11/02/23 8:44:04 AM
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Filthy fence sitters

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Ricemills
11/02/23 8:45:37 AM
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ProZD / ProJared

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IceCreamOnStero
11/02/23 8:48:07 AM
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Pro Palestine = Democrat

Lol

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Garioshi
11/02/23 8:51:50 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3635c2b7.jpg

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NeonTentacles
11/02/23 8:56:18 AM
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Garioshi posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3635c2b7.jpg
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ironman2009
11/02/23 8:58:46 AM
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Pro-skub

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Irony
11/02/23 9:01:47 AM
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Pro Palestine = Democrat

What

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ROBANN_88
11/02/23 9:03:03 AM
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I'm pro Ukraine of course
And while i know Israel has done some bad shit, it'll be a cold day in hell before i ever support a bunch of Jihadis

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BurmesePenguin
11/02/23 9:04:00 AM
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Garioshi posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3635c2b7.jpg
There's a pro-palestine aspect of the right or is it just a not very good way to depict neo nazis?


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Garioshi
11/02/23 9:12:04 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
There's a pro-palestine aspect of the right or is it just a not very good way to depict neo nazis?
Mostly the latter.

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AnsestralRecall
11/02/23 9:12:39 AM
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Pro-innocent citizenry >
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IceCreamOnStero
11/02/23 9:13:16 AM
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Garioshi posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3635c2b7.jpg
Russia goes completely against all leftist principles but sure i guess

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AnsestralRecall
11/02/23 9:14:51 AM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
I'm pro Ukraine of course
And while i know Israel has done some bad shit, it'll be a cold day in hell before i ever support a bunch of Jihadis

"Some bad shit"

Genocide is a bit above some bad shit, so much more than even your fellow Islamophobes are turning around since realizing the atrocities committed by Israel
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ShineboxPhil
11/02/23 9:15:52 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Russia goes completely against all leftist principles but sure i guess

It's making fun of tankies that support Putin

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IceCreamOnStero
11/02/23 9:19:56 AM
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Islamiphobia and support of Palestine aren't mutually exclusive

You can very easily support an anti-colonial struggle without supporting the barbaric religion the people going through that struggle mostly believe.

In fact, that applies to various other conflicts. Supporting emancipation for marginalised groups doesn't mean you have to agree with all of their views. To think so is mostly a self report that you don't actually care about equality.

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IceCreamOnStero
11/02/23 9:20:14 AM
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ShineboxPhil posted...
It's making fun of tankies that support Putin
Tankies aren't leftists.

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AnsestralRecall
11/02/23 9:29:18 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
the barbaric religion

Pull your pants up
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BurmesePenguin
11/02/23 9:30:04 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Tankies aren't leftists.
I love leftist purity tests

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IceCreamOnStero
11/02/23 9:36:22 AM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
Pull your pants up
What?

BurmesePenguin posted...
I love leftist purity tests

Yes, I too like being able to describe people who don't follow any leftist values and instead use it as a asthethic as non-leftists. It's very useful

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BurmesePenguin
11/02/23 9:37:17 AM
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"Muslim terrorists aren't real muslims!"

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Zwijn
11/02/23 9:40:29 AM
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I support Russia, Ukraine, Israel and Palestines rights to exist. I also think theyre conservative shitholes.
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UnfairRepresent
11/02/23 9:42:03 AM
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I don't get how you can call Democrats Pro-Palestine when Biden is licking Israels boots more than 50 Shades of Gray

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1337toothbrush
11/02/23 9:44:13 AM
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Zelenskyy said he wanted Ukraine to be "a big Israel": https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/

How does that change the calculus, if at all?

BurmesePenguin posted...
There's a pro-palestine aspect of the right or is it just a not very good way to depict neo nazis?
It's a very dumb way of depicting neo nazis for a number of reasons because they love the idea of expelling Jews to some other country and also Israel gives them an example of a successful ethnostate that they can point to and say "we want that for ourselves". Additionally, neo nazis don't like Arabs or Muslims either. Horseshoe theory continues to be stupid.

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Yo_D_oY
11/02/23 9:44:55 AM
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ROBANN_88 posted...

I'm pro Ukraine of course
And while i know Israel has done some bad shit, it'll be a cold day in hell before i ever support a bunch of Jihadis


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SaikyoStyle
11/02/23 9:46:30 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
"Terrorists aren't real muslims!"
Hes kicking the shit out of you. You dont do this very well.

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IceCreamOnStero
11/02/23 9:46:41 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
"Terrorists aren't real muslims!"
Are you implying terrorism is exclusively practiced by Muslims? There are absolutely several terrorists who AREN'T "real" Muslims, because they don't follow Islam.

Regardless, if a terrorist practices Islam and believes in the Quran, they are a "real" Muslim, because that is in line with what a Muslim is.

If a tankie completely flouts all leftist values and ideals, and instead just uses it as an aesthetic as an excuse to worship their preferred imperialist oligarch, they aren't a "real" leftist, because that's not what being a leftist means.

I didn't say anything about "real leftists", because its an irrelevant distinction. You either believe in leftist ideas and are a leftist, or you don't and you aren't. Its an incredibly simple criteria, you're the one trying to twist it into a bizarre gotcha.

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Forty_Niners
11/02/23 9:59:24 AM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Zelenskyy said he wanted Ukraine to be "a big Israel": https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/

How does that change the calculus, if at all?

It's a very dumb way of depicting neo nazis for a number of reasons because they love the idea of expelling Jews to some other country and also Israel gives them an example of a successful ethnostate that they can point to and say "we want that for ourselves". Additionally, neo nazis don't like Arabs or Muslims either. Horseshoe theory continues to be stupid.
He probably means getting endless funding and training for the military.

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SimulationSwarm
11/02/23 10:10:49 AM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
I'm pro Ukraine of course
And while i know Israel has done some bad shit, it'll be a cold day in hell before i ever support a bunch of Jihadis
Just say you hate brown people

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variasuite
11/02/23 10:15:14 AM
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It's a stupid comparison because Ukraine/Russia is black and white and Israel/Palestine is not. If you're not sure who is right in Ukraine/Russia then you fucked up. Israel suffered a horrible terrorist attack and there are no debates about that. Their response, however, and even policies leading to the attacks don't paint their *Government* as a sole victim, though.

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AnsestralRecall
11/02/23 10:18:33 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
What?

Stop showing your ass by using tropes loaded with bigotry
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McMarbles
11/02/23 10:20:42 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Russia goes completely against all leftist principles but sure i guess
Some far leftists still fetishize the Soviet Union. And for some, they simply cannot process anything beyond Murica bad, not-Murica good.

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AnsestralRecall
11/02/23 10:21:59 AM
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variasuite posted...
Ukraine/Russia is black and white

It's honestly not. Russia is obviously the aggressor and to be condemned fully and Ukraine defending their nation is their duty and right, but there is a lot to be said regarding the expansion of Western imperial powers through the growth of NATO as a direct result of the conflict.

That might be secondary to the conflict itself, but it's near impossible to separate it at this point.
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Lobinde
11/02/23 10:23:53 AM
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Pro Ukraine/Pro Israel is basically the position of the western political establishment as of now.

Pro Russia/Pro Palestine is a position held by a mix of tankies and nazis who just hate the west and are anti-semitic as well.

Also before anyone freaks out, my intention here is not to equate support of palestine as a whole with anti-semitism. I think pro ukraine/pro palestine is the best position to hold after all.

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ROBANN_88
11/02/23 10:27:53 AM
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SimulationSwarm posted...
Just say you hate brown people

if you think "a bunch of jihadis" is the same as "brown people", then that's on you

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variasuite
11/02/23 10:31:38 AM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
It's honestly not. Russia is obviously the aggressor and to be condemned fully and Ukraine defending their nation is their duty and right, but there is a lot to be said regarding the expansion of Western imperial powers through the growth of NATO as a direct result of the conflict.

That might be secondary to the conflict itself, but it's near impossible to separate it at this point.
NATO is zero threat to Russia when Russia isn't actively invading sovereign nations. The growth of NATO being so near to Russia is a conventional war problem. Any war that truly threatens Russia's existence would not be a conventional war. The US alone has nuclear subs deployed with enough nukes to end Russia forever, and they don't have borders. None of that would ever come to pass without Russia becoming a rogue nation.

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ROBANN_88
11/02/23 10:38:40 AM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
but there is a lot to be said regarding the expansion of Western imperial powers through the growth of NATO as a direct result of the conflict.

all expansion by NATO was from countries asking to be included in order to protect themselves from Russian aggression
claiming that as an acceptable reason for "It's NATOs fault too" is like claiming that an abusive ex husband has a right to stalk their ex partner cause the judge insulted him when they put up a restraining order, like "look what you made me do"

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IceCreamOnStero
11/02/23 10:45:05 AM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
Stop showing your ass by using tropes loaded with bigotry
Islam being a barbaric and disgusting religion isn't a trope, its an accurate description.

McMarbles posted...
Some far leftists still fetishize the Soviet Union. And for some, they simply cannot process anything beyond Murica bad, not-Murica good.

They aren't far leftists. They are using a leftist aesthetic.

variasuite posted...
NATO is zero threat to Russia when Russia isn't actively invading sovereign nations. The growth of NATO being so near to Russia is a conventional war problem. Any war that truly threatens Russia's existence would not be a conventional war. The US alone has nuclear subs deployed with enough nukes to end Russia forever, and they don't have borders. None of that would ever come to pass without Russia becoming a rogue nation.

NATO being near Russia is clearly a threat to Russia lmao. Obviously its not ground for an imperialistic invasion but this is astraight up lie.

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FortuneCookie
11/02/23 10:48:22 AM
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Not at all.

There are Democrats who are pro Israel. (Hint: One is in the White House right now.) And there are Republicans who are anti-Israel. Mostly because those conservatives are antisemitic.
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variasuite
11/02/23 10:48:22 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Islam being a barbaric and disgusting religion isn't a trope, its an accurate description.

They aren't far leftists. They are using a leftist aesthetic.

NATO being near Russia is clearly a threat to Russia lmao. Obviously its not ground for an imperialistic invasion but this is astraight up lie.
So you think NATO would invade and take over Russia unprovoked...? And if you're gonna use the "It's a loaded gun pointed at Russia" excuse, don't bother.

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ROBANN_88
11/02/23 10:49:45 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
NATO being near Russia is clearly a threat to Russia lmao.

it's not a coincidence that all the newer NATO countries happen to be ex Soviet states

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McMarbles
11/02/23 10:51:02 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Islam being a barbaric and disgusting religion isn't a trope, its an accurate description.

They aren't far leftists. They are using a leftist aesthetic.

NATO being near Russia is clearly a threat to Russia lmao. Obviously its not ground for an imperialistic invasion but this is astraight up lie.
Then maybe they shouldnt have forced their influence on Eastern Europe for half a century.

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CoyoteTheGreat
11/02/23 10:53:15 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Russia goes completely against all leftist principles but sure i guess

Its clowning on tankies, which do hate Ukraine because of the nazi stuff (Russia has neo-nazis too and they export the ideology to other countries purposefully, and Ukraine is literally run by a Jewish person, but no one ever accused tankies of being consistent).

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FortuneCookie
11/02/23 10:53:25 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Russia goes completely against all leftist principles but sure i guess

A lot of people go against their expressed principles. Look at Republicans and Christian values. "Love one another," often gets translated as, "Hate everyone. God will forgive you for it."
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realnifty1
11/02/23 10:56:28 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
There's a pro-palestine aspect of the right or is it just a not very good way to depict neo nazis?

Ahh, I bet that is it, I couldn't figure it out either. But I also don't think it is accurate, while they are absolutely antisemetic they still support Israel because they think it is a requirement for the End Times.
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ROBANN_88
11/02/23 10:57:18 AM
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realnifty1 posted...
they still support Israel because they think it is a requirement for the End Times.

what
the fuck did i miss here?

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/02/23 10:57:46 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
"Muslim terrorists aren't real muslims!"

They arent, any more than Klansmen practice Christianity.

I dont want anyone on this board thinking otherwise. Islam shares the ideas regarding the value of human life that Judaism and Christianity do. Read Sura 5:32 if you need any clarification on that.

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FortuneCookie
11/02/23 10:59:40 AM
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Let's not go "no true Scotsman" here.

Muslim terrorists and Christian hate groups are still members of their respective religions. It's like saying that Vladimir Putin isn't a real atheist because atheists are supposed to be pro-science and pro-humanitarian.
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Charged151
11/02/23 11:03:25 AM
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Most Democrats are very Pro-Israel

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