Current Events > Screw protests/protesters who block freeways and streets with their bs

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Do you support protests where innocent victims are killed? Because thats what blocking emergency vehicles does.

Please answer my question, given I asked first and then I'll answers yours.

Spoilers, I don't support intentionally blocking emergency services.

But hopefully he doesn't disrupt the public protesting poverty because then the common man will start supporting the ultra rich

Its really terrible that roads are designed such that theres ever only one path available to hospitals. If only we had radios to communicate issues and satellites showing us the quickest path to a destination.

Do you support protests where innocent victims are killed? Because thats what blocking emergency vehicles does.

Because the common man knows he'll never be a millionaire or something more.

I mean I don't go to work everyday feeling pissy because I'm not making a $1,000 a hour.

I just deal with it.

Because it's the way it is.

LOL... even my boss would fire me if I asked for $100 a hour.

Yes I support disruptive protests. What I dont support is protests that endanger people

Yes I support disruptive protests. What I dont support is protests that endanger people

So everyone should just roll over and should be absued and tossed aside like worthless garbage? Because protesting wealth disparity and working conditions is pointless? Who in the actual fuck is asking to be paid $1000/hr? They just want to be treated like human beings.

Problem is that if one main road is blocked off means that any sort of detours is added time to the emergency responders. Not to mention the fact that others can have access to traffic reports and that can also mean others will likely take detours as well.

Thats what the emergency sirens are for, but lets continue focusing on how bad people exercising their 1A rights are while mass shooters keep on shooting but 2A gud tho

I don't support such methods as a general rule.

Last year there was a protest by me that shut down the freeway for a few hours that was protesting the Tigray conflict and I'm not sure what they were trying to accomplish.

Because that's the way it is.

Deal with it.

Or go to some big deal school and get some advanced educating and treat other people like crap because they're dumb.

I'm wondering if these anti disruptive protesters remember the civil rights riots, and how it pressured congress to pass the civil rights acts. Or how MLK rightfully concluded that the average white American just wants 'order' (I.e. I just wanna grill), not to think critically about the millions around them that struggle.

If a few people end up dying because they can't get through a crowd, it's worth it because millions upon millions of people will have better lives. It's the trolley problem. If you don't like it then stand up for something and help those who need it before it gets so bad that riots and road blocks become a necessity.

Social unrest and disruptive protest is the only reason you even have the ability to be here looking down on people for being dumb and underprivileged enough to care about the world around them. If things are just the way they are, then why aren't things just as they were thousands of years ago? Or why do women and black people have rights in America? Why isn't the US workforce full of 12 year olds in factories and coal mines? Why do workers have breaks or health coverage? Why do they get paid at all? How does American even exist?

Or go to some big deal school and get some advanced educating and treat other people like crap because they're dumb.

That's because you've been taught a whitewashed version of King.

According to his Wikipedia page, King was a believer of non-violence, partially inspired by Gandhi. He wouldn't have forcefully put others in danger by blocking roads. In fact, some other leaders in the Black Rights movement had reservations about King for not being assertive enough, like Malcolm X, according to the page.

From what I have read, he was a great orator and was the kind of person who didn't believe in the phrase "actions speak louder than words". He was a man who understood nuance, which many people have tried to bury since it doesn't allow them to have their cake and eat it too.

We already had a former President start a violent insurrection and I don't want protests that should be done being accused of the same violent mindset, lest people turn away from a good cause because someone can shout "Both sides!" and make others think these causes are not worth fighting for.

I like how right wingers portray themselves as self reliant badasses, but ultimately just like submitting to the rich and the status quo.

From what I have read, he was a great orator and was the kind of person who didn't believe in the phrase "actions speak louder than words". He was a man who understood nuance, which many people have tried to bury since it doesn't allow them to have their cake and eat it too.

What? MLK was radical for his time, and opposed the Vietnam War and was on his way to address an union gathering when he was assassinated. In the last months of his life he began agreeing with Malcolm X on several points.

Also MLK was not some of conservative who limited himself to static protests and speeches. He challenged racially discriminatory laws by deliberately breaking them and insisted that they be arrested for it.

low-thought take. what good is a protest if it doesn't actually obstruct anything?

None of which involved blocking roads, trying to force people into a conflict when all the drivers are likely doing are going to work or even visiting loved ones.

King's tactics involved non-violent civil disobidence, like sit-ins at restaurants that refused Black people entry. The famous March on Washington that drew much attention to the issue of Civil Rights was another example.

King knew what worked and what didn't. I'm sure he would condemned blocking roads and would prefer to address the leaders of our nation for change rather than harass folks on their way home.

Really, I see nuance is as dead as disco in these situations here.

What good is a protest if its actively turning public opinion against the protestors and their cause?

Were gonna fuck with everyone till they all do what we want is a pretty dog shit strategy for change

The public is full of pieces of shit if blocking traffic shakes their views.

What good is a protest if its actively turning public opinion against the protestors and their cause?

Were gonna fuck with everyone till they all do what we want is a pretty dog shit strategy for change

Most of these things are actually still problems if we're being honest and haven't really been resolved. About the only one that has seen a definitive resolution is health care and it still sucks. Most of those are in the "well technically but not really" manner of being fixed, or you just have them hidden.

I know for a fact that factories are still fuckin loaded with kids in a lot of southern states for example, and no one really cares.

Workplaces are also doing their best to make sure people don't get breaks and are generally succeeding as well.

The long as short is people always fuckin lose in the end, as dismal and depressing as that is.

Hot take edgelord

Ah yes, 'I was TOTALLY an ally, but then I was very slightly inconvenienced that one time, so they forced me to vote against them '

And yet, we'd all be dead and have zero freedoms if everyone was like "Welp nothing can change and the world will always suck! Existence is pointless!"

Its not about someone already being an ally its about swaying opinions of people who are undecided or maybe never even considered the problem at all. Presenting your side as the assholes who block people from going to/from work or fucking hospitals isnt exactly a good look

Why should someone who never even considered a problem even have an opinion? "I don't know what this is, but if someone is inconveniencing the public to get their point across, then I definitely know I hate it!" How fucking old are we?

And if anyone developed negative opinions on civil rights because a protester might of disrupted society harder than MLK liked was someone too fickle to be considered a true ally.

You're at risk of being exterminated by conservatives and you're worried that activists might block too much traffic and force people to agree that you have no right to exist.

How would you classify blocking a road if not 'non violent civil disobedience'?

You talk about nuance and then talking to national leaders without any sense of scale or history.

This. All of this. And no btw, there's nothing 'edgey' about either of our responses.

Yes, there is. This is literally how 15 year olds who think they have the whole world figured out think.

None of this is about enacting change. Its just disruption and attention seeking. Literally the same way terrorists think.

Governor Wallace denounced the march as a threat to public safety; he said that he would take all measures necessary to prevent it from happening. "There will be no march between Selma and Montgomery," Wallace said on March 6, 1965, citing concern over traffic violations. He ordered Alabama Highway Patrol Chief Col. Al Lingo to "use whatever measures are necessary to prevent a march".

I'm not really sure you understand what a protest is.

Im positive you have no clue what a productive one is