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DementedDurian posted...

The famous March on Washington

https://blogs.loc.gov/loc/files/2020/06/MOW-marchers-in-street-one-w-wheelchair.png

You mean this March on Washington?

More protests should impede traffic imo

Smashingpmkns posted...

More protests should impede traffic imo

Then more protesters will be run over by cars. Common sense would dictate that you shouldn't be in the path of large objects moving at a high rate of speed.

FolkenRawr posted...

Edit: Actually I don't care about your opinion considering in your mind a peaceful protest is akin to terrorism.

Very clearly not what I said. So you either cant read or are just being deliberately disingenuous

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Then more protesters will be run over by cars. Common sense would dictate that you shouldn't be in the path of large objects moving at a high rate of speed.

Exactly.

People violate their own sense of self-perservation just to harass folks are a special kind of stupid.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Then more protesters will be run over by cars. Common sense would dictate that you shouldn't be in the path of large objects moving at a high rate of speed.

Protesters are being run over by cars deliberately. Non-murderous drivers can take the next exit if they want to avoid a traffic jam. I do it all the time.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

None of this is about enacting change. Its just disruption and attention seeking. Literally the same way terrorists think.

Uh... all effective protest is usually disruptive and definitely attention seeking. So now you're saying protest is terrorism?

hockeybub89 posted...

Uh... all effective protest is usually disruptive and definitely attention seeking. So now you're saying protest is terrorism?

Nope. He didn't clearly say what he very clearly said.

hockeybub89 posted...

Uh... all effective protest is disruptive and definitely attention seeking. So now you're saying protest is terrorism?

Sit-ins hurt small businesses and are disruptive, so that's out.

Taking a knee is clearly too disruptive, so that's out.

I guess just try not to make much noise, don't upset people when you get murdered by some bigot.

DementedDurian posted...

To be frank, the average person does NOT want to go to war with its own government and the only ones who do are conservative gun nuts who think the "gay agenda" is going to make their God unhappy, bringing the apocalypse because of it.

Take me for instance. I don't like confrontation and really don't like messing with people unless I'm trying to pull a joke of some kind. I don't feel comfortable putting myself in the way of speeding vehicles for a cause I don't feel like I'm not properly representing.

Because blocking roads is not civil disobedience. It's a "I want my cake and eat it too" kind of idiocy.

With a sit-in, the only thing you're occupying is the seat. With a road blockage, you're taking people hostage by forcing them to stop in the middle of the street, sometimes trapping them in a hazardous spot.

Quite frankly, I don't see why people give these protestors the benefit of the doubt since it's for a cause. If was to rob a bank and then donated that money to the Red Cross, it wouldn't justify my actions. Why should theirs?

Would you start believing that the Red Cross should not be donated to if you read that someone once robbed a bank to support it?

And I never said you have to do anything, but if people want to, good on them. Disruption is how you create change.

"Let's raise awareness and get people on our side by fucking up their day and preventing them from getting to work on time or some shit!"

Totes a brilliant idea.

CanuckCowboy posted...

"Let's raise awareness and get people on our side by fucking up their day and preventing them from getting to work on time or some shit!"

Totes a brilliant idea.

Why would them inconveniencing you affect your views on whatever cause it is? Would you stop believing in protecting animal welfare if some activist group laid down in the road dressed as dogs? People only ever seem to reconsider their stance and blame it on methods when it's a cause they never really supported in the first place and were looking for an excuse to justify not supporting.

CanuckCowboy posted...

"Let's raise awareness and get people on our side by fucking up their day and preventing them from getting to work on time or some shit!"

Totes a brilliant idea.

Yes, it is. Normal people don't turn against a good cause because they were momentarily inconvenienced one time. And, as has been pointed out repeatedly in this topic and every other topic about protest, historically it isn't until protests get disruptive that they begin to effect change.

TheOtherMike posted...

Yes, it is. Normal people don't turn against a good cause because they were momentarily inconvenienced one time. And, as has been pointed out repeatedly in this topic and every other topic about protest, historically it isn't until protests get disruptive that they begin to effect change.

Tbh, I have a hard time believing anyone with that 'argument' doesn't instantly go 'ALL Lives Matter'.

Protestors blocking the streets are akin to children throwing a tantrum. No one ever respects them or their cause

There's isn't going to be blocked traffic, but tomorrow is supposed to be the beginning of a nationwide chain pharmacy walkout. But apparently anyone who will participate is going to hurt their cause by "being a childish piece of shit, inconveniencing innocent people, disrupting their daily life, and hurting their ability to receive medical care"

CanuckCowboy posted...

"Let's raise awareness and get people on our side by fucking up their day and preventing them from getting to work on time or some shit!"

Totes a brilliant idea.

NeonTentacles posted...

Protestors blocking the streets are akin to children throwing a tantrum. No one ever respects them or their cause

Troof

Who ever theyre trying to change isnt going to and is counting on the people theyre inconveniencing to get fed up with it they should be inconveniencing the people they want to change not someone just trying to survive in the world ~ some dude on the internet

NeonTentacles posted...

Protestors blocking the streets are akin to children throwing a tantrum. No one ever respects them or their cause

Well thankfully you stand for nothing then

hockeybub89 posted...

Well thankfully you stand for nothing then

Sucks brah

R1masher posted...

Who ever theyre trying to change isnt going to and is counting on the people theyre inconveniencing to get fed up with it they should be inconveniencing the people they want to change not someone just trying to survive in the world ~ some dude on the internet

Cool, you hate protest and don't understand that disrupting society is how things change.

hockeybub89 posted...

Cool, you hate protest and don't understand that disrupting society is how things change.

putting words in peoples mouths aint how you make change either

CyricZ posted...

I still haven't quite figured out if faizan is anti-protest or pro-violent uprising.

I'm not anti or pro anything. I'm just making observations based on history.

Get out the street get out the street!

hockeybub89 posted...

Why would them inconveniencing you affect your views on whatever cause it is? Would you stop believing in protecting animal welfare if some activist group laid down in the road dressed as dogs? People only ever seem to reconsider their stance and blame it on methods when it's a cause they never really supported in the first place and were looking for an excuse to justify not supporting.

Maybe those folks who say that weren't on your side to begin with.

Someone with half-a-brain will realize that harbouring a grudge with an idiot is not the best policy.

Fluttershy posted...

low-thought take. what good is a protest if it doesn't actually obstruct anything?

Obstructing traffic isn't helping many to your cause.

People who don't understand why anyone would associate your little stunt with their cause fail to understand people are more simple than you think. Not everyone is following politics or your cause all day. Many are very simple minded, waking up day to day with simple lives trying to make ends meet which is a day job that barely pays the bills.

So when you interrupt that, you aren't motivating the guy stressed out working a long ass shift to go support your cause. What you are likely doing to the average Joe not following your cause is, pissing them off and having them associate your little stunt and cause in a negative light.

Inconvenience the people actually causing the damage. Not common folks just trying to live paycheck to paycheck and even some emergency workers.

it's neat how many low active post users are coming out just to say hi to me and tell me why people shouldn't protest.

people won't like it

that's the fucking point. what part of that aren't you guys getting? solid snake and ryuk, shut the fuck up and go back on timeout lol. 20 active posts between the two of you. my absolute word.

Fluttershy posted...

it's neat how many low active post users are coming out just to say hi to me and tell me why people shouldn't protest.

people won't like it

that's the fucking point. what part of that aren't you guys getting? solid snake and ryuk, shut the fuck up and go back on timeout lol. 20 active posts between the two of you. my absolute word.

You are literally post no. 2.

No shit your post is likely to get one of the highest attention in this thread.

Also lol to using active post as a status symbol to back your position as right or wrong. Not everyone is hanging around GameFAQs all day or all week. To be clear I'm not bashing those that are either.

Lastly, my post didn't tell you not to protest.

it sounds like you are done with your shit argument.

People claiming disruptive protests impede the progress of a cause have a very...loose grasp of the history of civil and workers rights movements.

Or they know and they're sad that those movements made ground. A coin flip on which one sometimes

If society was run by some of you, we wouldn't have a minimum wage, maximum hours, safety regulations, the right to unionize, civil rights, women's rights, or even the US as a country etc etc etc. All of these things required huge societal upheaval, if not outright mass violence. Big positive changes generally don't come without death, destruction, riots, marches, boycotts, strikes etc. Meanwhile you guys are complaining about a road being blocked temporarily.

You are all the white moderates MLK Jr. talked about. You oppose social changes or don't think they're necessary or pressing, and you hide behind hypothetical ambulances to spin your indifference as concern and other people's concern as indifference.

Baha05 posted...

It can also be pretty damn dangerous for said emergency vehicles or hell even regular civilians trying to get to a hospital of some sort.

His argument is, though, that a protest that blocks traffic is the exact same thing as a person standing in front of an ambulance with lights and sirens, refusing to let them go anywhere.

And that's a bullshit argument.

People complaining about protesters standing in the street seem to forget that historically protesters have done far more unpleasant things to obtain progress.

Just look at the French Revolution. I bet you the people being dragged out their homes would beg for merely blocked roads.

HighOnSolar posted...

unfortunately most of us here dont run society and just want to drive to and from wherever the fuck were coming from.

And idiots inconvenienced by the pharmacy walkouts will be like "I'm just trying to pick up my medicine on the way home. Inconvenience the people that you actually have a problem with instead of us innocent common folk. You're hurting your cause."

R_Jackal posted...

The long as short is people always f***in lose in the end, as dismal and depressing as that is.

"Don't even bother trying, then," is your takeaway?

DementedDurian posted...

According to his Wikipedia page, King was [...]

You're usually a better poster than this.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201107134656/ [long link break] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/kings-message-of-nonviolence-has-been-distorted/557021/

https://www.history.com/news/for-martin-luther-king-jr-nonviolent-protest-never-meant-wait-and-see

Non-violence is not pacifism, and it is definitely not un-disruptive.

HighOnSolar posted...

if society were run by me, those things wouldnt require anything. Theyd just happen. You know, because I run society.

unfortunately most of us here dont run society and just want to drive to and from wherever the fuck were coming from.

You sound like an idiot.

You have to try hard to misunderstand a simple post this badly. The if you ran society part is not about you literally running society, it's a common phrase meaning if you had your way. You don't understand something that basic and yet you're calling me an idiot?

The point is that your "protest/movement can't inconvenience ordinary people" test would have stopped all of the progress that you rely on for that "peaceful" life.

R1masher posted...

they should be inconveniencing the people they want to change

Funny you should say that...

If the goal is to inconvenience people, and people are complaining about the protest, then aren't the people complaining doing exactly what the protest movement wanted?

Oh a troll. I should have known better.

take being singled out by them as a good thing.

RyukSan posted...

People who don't understand why anyone would associate your little stunt with their cause fail to understand people are more simple than you think. Not everyone is following politics or your cause all day.

Simple-minded people who don't follow politics will probably encounter a protest, even if it's one blocking the road, and hear of a new thing they weren't paying attention to before, coming to new awareness of an issue.

Just an example I can think of that would be easy to garner sympathy for.

"Why are these people blocking the road? The fuck is going on? [...] Romney did what to his dog? That mother-fucker!"

I mean, that's an easier sell than climate change, but those simple, unaware people may never otherwise be made aware of something that they may actually care about. The opportunity to learn about it just has to be present. Sometimes, this is the only instance it would ever be present.

To default assume it's going to backlash against the cause is... naive is not the right word. Too strong. Misguided. Thinking that making someone aware of something for the first time through means of protest will instantly cause someone to be anti- whatever the protest is, is a misguided view. I'd give it at least 50/50 odds, and that's better odds than a simple person who doesn't follow politics and never knew anything before not hearing about the thing ever.

hockeybub89 posted...

People only ever seem to reconsider their stance and blame it on methods when it's a cause they never really supported in the first place and were looking for an excuse to justify not supporting.

This. To demonstrate the point, see the topic title?

Screw protests/protesters who block freeways and roads and streets with their bs

That was what this topic was really about. TC was shitting on the cause itself, and would find another excuse if necessary. Had nothing to do with how they were protesting.

DnDer posted...

You're usually a better poster than this.

So Wikipedia isn't reliable in this regard? Who am I supposed to believe - a group of video gamers on GameFAQs or an encylopedia that many people look up answers on things?

Dark_Arbron posted...

This. To demonstrate the point, see the topic title?

That was what this topic was really about. TC was shitting on the cause itself, and would find another excuse if necessary. Had nothing to do with how they were protesting.

I'll admit that the protest's subject matter isn't BS, it's just that their methodology is very childish.

DementedDurian posted...

So Wikipedia isn't reliable in this regard? Who am I supposed to believe - a group of video gamers on GameFAQs or an encylopedia that many people look up answers on things?

Jesus dude. Like. C'mon, this is bad even for you.

FolkenRawr posted...

Jesus dude. Like. C'mon, this is bad even for you.

Then I guess I am done with this topic and going to hide it.

No use trying to argue with people who can't fantom why playing in traffic is a bad idea.

DementedDurian posted...

Then I guess I am done with this topic and going to hide it.

No use trying to argue with people who can't fantom why playing in traffic is a bad idea.

Okay bye