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Garioshi
10/27/23 5:21:47 PM
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In Tales of Arise, a character named Zephyr says "we have an ace up our sleeve" several times despite the fact that playing cards do not exist, and even if they did, he is a slave that never would have had the opportunity to with them. Any other glaring examples of shit like this?

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Phantom_Nook
10/27/23 5:23:44 PM
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Shrek says "hold the phone," even though phones don't exist yet.

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cuttin_in_farm
10/27/23 5:23:46 PM
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Any game or show that says oh my God when no/multiple gods exist in the setting.

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Solar_Crimson
10/27/23 5:29:50 PM
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Garioshi posted...
In Tales of Arise, a character named Zephyr says "we have an ace up our sleeve" several times despite the fact that playing cards do not exist,
I was going to mention the same idiom, except for Xenoblade 3. Noah says it at one point, but seeing as he and his party members are child soldiers raised specifically to fight in an endless war for no real reason, I find it hard to believe that they would have ever had a chance to play cards if playing cards even exist in Aionios outside of the City. (The Kevesi and Agnian soldiers don't even know what sex is, nor do they have any concept of parentage and romantic love.)

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Linze
10/27/23 5:32:09 PM
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Son of a submarine.

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yunalenne10
10/27/23 5:32:18 PM
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Concept of menus in The Lord of The Rings.
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Letsago
10/27/23 5:33:30 PM
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Didn't they change a mention of Einstein in one of the Star Fox games because of this?

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Technician_X
10/27/23 6:03:23 PM
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Not an idiom thing but it still makes me chuckle inside when playing an rpg set on a fantasy world and you go to the weapon shop

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Torgo
10/27/23 6:08:42 PM
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Garioshi posted...
In Tales of Arise, a character named Zephyr says "we have an ace up our sleeve" several times despite the fact that playing cards do not exist, and even if they did, he is a slave that never would have had the opportunity to with them. Any other glaring examples of shit like this?

Thank you! YES - I hate this!

This is something that bugs me in movies, RPGs, etc... for years. When it's a light-hearted setting and there's a precedent for comedy over consequences... it's fine. There's definitely a place for it... but so often I see works of fiction trying to immerse the viewer of player in a sense of urgency and realism, and then use a current or even an old saying that makes no sense in "their" world.

Immersion broken... and it's super lazy 99% of the time. It doesn't make the character more relatable, it makes the alternate world you're trying to build less immersive.


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Torgo
10/27/23 6:10:45 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
I was going to mention the same idiom, except for Xenoblade 3.

I'm playing through it right now, and while the characters are generally better written and animated than the previous game, they drop lingo and terms that make no sense in their world - especially under their very narrow experiences as child soldiers bred only to fight.

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Priere
10/27/23 6:12:01 PM
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Is this as weird as every character living in a fantasy world speaking english?

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K181
10/27/23 6:26:21 PM
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Hwy Einstein, Im on your side! - Falco

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Garioshi
10/27/23 10:15:27 PM
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Priere posted...
Is this as weird as every character living in a fantasy world speaking english?
I accept the idea that we're getting the language translated to us by whatever medium we're consuming media in. The Legion of Super-Heroes comics take place in the 30th, where the universal language is Interlac, which has its own letters. Interlac is the only thing you will ever see on signs and documents and the like, but all the dialogue is still presented in English. For another example, almost all of Metal Gear Solid 3's dialogue is in Russian in-universe.

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SwayM
10/27/23 10:19:16 PM
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I think about this kinda stuff all the time.

Especially for something like Guardians of the Galaxy. I cant think of any specific examples off the top of my head but there are many moments where the characters talk in a very Earth like way that doesnt make any sense.

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ablegator
10/27/23 10:22:26 PM
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SwayM posted...
I think about this kinda stuff all the time.

Especially for something like Guardians of the Galaxy. I cant think of any specific examples off the top of my head but there are many moments where the characters talk in a very Earth like way that doesnt make any sense.

yeah its not very realistic.


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FortuneCookie
10/27/23 10:23:15 PM
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"Hey, Einstein! I'm on your side!"
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DrizztLink
10/27/23 10:25:43 PM
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ablegator posted...
yeah its not very realistic.
Guardians isn't exactly trying for hard sci-fi, to be fair.

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LordFarquad1312
10/27/23 10:26:03 PM
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I the Trails series, the units of measurement are reges and arges (cm and m). At some point in one of the game, a character says something like "Missed by a mile", and I was like "The fuck is a mile!?"
They're usually pretty good at using the fictional units.

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Torgo
10/27/23 10:27:56 PM
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Priere posted...
Is this as weird as every character living in a fantasy world speaking english?

That's certainly the contrarian approach, but I think while that is a level of immersion broken, it is often necessary to move the narrative forward that the audience understands what the characters are communicating.

Now, as someone that has watched a LOT of anime with subtitles... I find it more immersion breaking when a character in a pre-industrial setting eats a spicy meal and states "that'll get your motor running!" when they have no concept of motorization than whether or not they dubbed and translated from Japanese, or Elvish, or Klingon.

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Torgo
10/27/23 10:30:58 PM
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SwayM posted...
I think about this kinda stuff all the time.

Especially for something like Guardians of the Galaxy. I cant think of any specific examples off the top of my head but there are many moments where the characters talk in a very Earth like way that doesnt make any sense.

However, in that universe, our earth and humans from our world exist, right?

Same with something like Star Trek where someone quoting Shakespeare is quoting the actual Shakespeare from Earth where many of the characters are from and would have access to knowledge about Shakespeare - but in a setting like Star Wars where it's not even the same Galaxy or time frame - there's no Shakespeare to quote.

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HairyQueen
10/27/23 10:31:47 PM
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The genie in Aladdin does this frequently, the writers later admitted they didn't realize it wouldn't make sense in the setting

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FortuneCookie
10/27/23 10:35:15 PM
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HairyQueen posted...
The genie in Aladdin does this frequently, the writers later admitted they didn't realize it wouldn't make sense in the setting

Yeah, but he's supernatural. Pulling from things the characters in-story would no nothing about makes perfect sense from him.

Plus, there's that fan theory about the film being set in the far future.

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ArchNemo
10/27/23 10:47:40 PM
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Letsago posted...
Didn't they change a mention of Einstein in one of the Star Fox games because of this?

No, some fan tried to point it out in a magazine letter and basically got the response "Fuck off, nerd"

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Vicious_Dios
10/27/23 10:51:34 PM
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Pop! Goes the weasel

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Solar_Crimson
10/27/23 10:51:41 PM
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There's also Mallow name-dropping Bruce Lee in Super Mario RPG.

ArchNemo posted...
No, some fan tried to point it out in a magazine letter and basically got the response "Fuck off, nerd"
Actually, I believe it was changed in the 3DS remake. Falco says "genius" instead.

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DarkFists
10/27/23 10:52:09 PM
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Garioshi posted...
I accept the idea that we're getting the language translated to us by whatever medium we're consuming media in. The Legion of Super-Heroes comics take place in the 30th, where the universal language is Interlac, which has its own letters. Interlac is the only thing you will ever see on signs and documents and the like, but all the dialogue is still presented in English. For another example, almost all of Metal Gear Solid 3's dialogue is in Russian in-universe.
Honestly, that's the logic I apply to the use of our idioms in games too, think of it as a localization for the sake of our understanding, and they're very likely using a cultural equivalent

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Amakusa
10/27/23 10:54:55 PM
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Whenever I think of stuff like this I think of the funny line the Sheriff of Nottingham had in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves where he asks a couple of women to visit him at certain times and bring a friend. Only there's no clocks.

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Ricemills
10/27/23 10:56:19 PM
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Kratos telling Atreus to "fire" the bow

A character saying "this is the end of the line" when train lines never existed.

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Ricemills
10/27/23 10:58:30 PM
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Garioshi posted...
For another example, almost all of Metal Gear Solid 3's dialogue is in Russian in-universe.

And yet volgin said "Kuwabara, Kuwabara" a japanese idiom. English version should be something like "knock the wood".

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Villain_S_Fiend
10/27/23 11:09:50 PM
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They've since made it make sense retroactively, but I always found it weird when Han Solo shouts "then I'll see you in Hell!"

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ablegator
10/27/23 11:13:38 PM
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Villain_S_Fiend posted...
They've since made it make sense retroactively, but I always found it weird when Han Solo shouts "then I'll see you in Hell!"
Its bad writing.

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FortuneCookie
10/28/23 12:17:33 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
There's also Mallow name-dropping Bruce Lee in Super Mario RPG.

Our world exists in the Mario canon.

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Pitlord_Special
10/28/23 12:28:30 AM
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When they call a stuffed toy bear a Teddy bear in a world without Theodore Roosevelt or America in general

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PurpleOutsider
10/28/23 12:33:14 AM
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Garioshi posted...
I accept the idea that we're getting the language translated to us by whatever medium we're consuming media in. The Legion of Super-Heroes comics take place in the 30th, where the universal language is Interlac, which has its own letters. Interlac is the only thing you will ever see on signs and documents and the like, but all the dialogue is still presented in English. For another example, almost all of Metal Gear Solid 3's dialogue is in Russian in-universe.
There was a Fantastic Four cartoon that had a great example of that. It started out in the Skrull homeward, with everyone speaking skrull. No subtitles. A minute in, it paused and Stan Lee popped up, apologized, and said that from now on, they're going go speak English for our convenience, and to just pretend they're still speaking skrull.

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King_Rial
10/28/23 12:36:52 AM
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I never watched it myself, but my oldest brother mentioned that happened a lot in The Scorpion King. Like a character saying "He passed with flying colors."

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HylianFox
10/28/23 12:37:37 AM
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K181 posted...
Hwy Einstein, Im on your side! - Falco

FortuneCookie posted...
"Hey, Einstein! I'm on your side!"

This. Sadly, the line was changed to "Hey genius"in the 3DS version. lame

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HylianFox
10/28/23 12:38:16 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Our world exists in the Mario canon.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/0/AAdlC_AAE-y0.png


well, Mario *is* from Brooklyn...
>_>


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darkbuster
10/28/23 12:54:37 AM
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I always just write those off as an extension of the "audience translation convention" that allows us to understand characters, even when they should have entirely separate languages. Although I do appreciate when a series makes it clear that a separate world does have its own culture, such as with Pokemon's in-game writing system or Klonoa's voice clips.

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coolguyjimmy
10/28/23 1:20:45 AM
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A couple of these mentioned, might not be due to the setting, or lore thereof, but more the translation from Japanese to English.

Tales of Arise, and Xenoblade 3 are originally in Japanese, and it's the translators who translated the lines of "Ace up their sleeve" from Japanese. "Ace up their sleeve" probably flows better than a literal translation, and the Japanese it's translated from, might make sense Lore-wise.
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ToteAll
10/28/23 1:21:28 AM
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Garioshi posted...
never would have had the opportunity to with them.

The whole them?
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Ulfar
10/28/23 1:30:02 AM
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Villain_S_Fiend posted...
They've since made it make sense retroactively, but I always found it weird when Han Solo shouts "then I'll see you in Hell!"

What did they do, come up with an afterlife? Hell is also used by Maximus in Gladiator which definitely would not have occured IRL but all the historicity of that goes out within the first 10 minutes.
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Kim_Seong-a
10/28/23 1:43:10 AM
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Most of these aren't that farfetched. Card games, and concepts of afterlife, exist across multiple different cultures and its not crazy to think these fantasy settings would also have them.

You can probably argue about the specific terms used (ace, hell), but the concepts are generalized enough (a strong card cheaters would hold onto, a place to punish the wicked) that you can just handwave it with the aforementioned translation explanation. >_>


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MICHALECOLE
10/28/23 1:49:26 AM
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ablegator posted...
Its bad writing.
No, youre being pedantic
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UnholyMudcrab
10/28/23 2:02:14 AM
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It's a minor example, but characters using "fire!" to tell an archer to loose an arrow.

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Garioshi
10/28/23 9:12:31 AM
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ToteAll posted...
The whole them?
shut UP

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Solar_Crimson
10/28/23 11:24:24 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Our world exists in the Mario canon.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/0/AAdlC_AAE-y0.png
Ill accept Punch-Out (and, of course, the Mario movie), but this map is from Mario Is Missing, which I'm pretty sure is noncanon.

Also, it bothers me here that Greenland is... green.

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DrizztLink
10/28/23 11:38:43 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Also, it bothers me here that Greenland is... green.
Shouldn't Australia be two green stripes on the sides and then like five million square miles of brown?

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