Poll of the Day > that nic cage freddy five night movie is a better freddy five night movie

(+) Yeah! (+)

than the actual movie

ConfusedTorchic posted...

than the actual movie

don't spoiler it, it's not out yet here in Canada

Yeah I could tell that would happen just by reading about them

of course, the early reviews are giving it a rating of about 60%...

which is weirdly optimistic since that's where most campy horror movies go

Loved the movie. Love anything with Nic Cage lmao

Red Letter Media and Dead Meat both hated it

I enjoyed it, my wife is into the series and we went to one of the early screenings last night with other fans

Much like Mario thou, which is also rotten, you have to know what you're going into before hand

JixHedgehog posted...

Much like Mario thou, which is also rotten

bruh, Mario was super good

I hear they only paid him for like 3 lines

Lokarin posted...

bruh, Mario was super good

nah, there were some valid points some critics brought up. if you don't love mario there's absolutely no reason to see it.

i love mario though so idgaf.

ya, critics. Critics care about stuff like coherence and talent

they just like good movies. (:

Apparently it made more than Mario on its opening day

Nade_Duck posted...

they just like good movies. (:

Having seen a lot of critic reviews, I'd tend to disagree.

is there any movie with a critic rating off 100 and a viewer rating of 1? (or the other way around)

Lokarin posted...

is there any movie with a critic rating off 100 and a viewer rating of 1? (or the other way around)

Not a desperate that bad, but there's been big gaps before. Then again, review bombing kinda muddies the waters.

JixHedgehog posted...

Apparently it made more than Mario on its opening day

wouldn't surprise me if it did

mario is for millennials, people in their 30's and 40's, no matter what nintendo says or tries to do, it's just not big with the generation of kids that grew up with freddy five nights.

freddy is to them, what mario is to us.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Not a desperate that bad, but there's been big gaps before. Then again, review bombing kinda muddies the waters.

Even without review bombing the waters are muddied to the point of almost being meaningless when it comes to user reviews.

The first problem is that, for certain movies, the only people going to see them are the people predisposed to enjoy them, because they look so terrible that most people just avoid them entirely (and thus don't vote/review them). So you wind up with artificially high review scores (based on a smaller review pool) that doesn't really accurately reflect the overall population's (basically it's a non-random self-selection bias issue). In essence, you get a score that just means "This is enjoyable for people who enjoy this sort of thing", which is nothing more than a meaningless tautology.

Second, even beyond that you get people who have a tendency to not really qualify reviews, so you get people who will give 10/10 to any movie they enjoy and 1/10 to any movie they dislike, which skews any potential review score. You lost any real sense of quality when you're scoring almost entirely pass/fail. Was it a good movie with flaws? A movie that was mostly mediocre but not bad enough to call bad? Was it a masterpiece that will never be surpassed? If your score system is only yes/no, then all of those movies are classified as being exactly the same value.

Then beyond that there's the problem that scores are completely subjective right out of the gate. If I think a movie is average, and score it 5/10 (because that's the exact middle of the scale), is that more or less "accurate" than someone who considers average to be 7/10 (because that would be a "C" in school)? If someone says "this film has flaws but I don't care" and gives it a 10/10, and someone else cites the exact same flaws but counts them against the film and gives it a 7/10, how do you differentiate between the two? Is one reviewer an idiot because they're too forgiving, or is the other reviewer too unfair because they're nitpicking?

And beyond all that, you have to question where you're getting the numbers in the first place, considering sites like Rotten Tomatoes have already been proven to manipulate scores.



(Even beyond all that, there's the problem of personal preference. If you and I watch the greatest horror movie of all time but I give it a 1/10 because I don't like horror movies in general, my opinion probably isn't going to be all that meaningful. But it will still be counted just as equally as yours if the two of us rate the movie on a voting site.)

Quien?

ConfusedTorchic posted...

wouldn't surprise me if it did

mario is for millennials, people in their 30's and 40's, no matter what nintendo says or tries to do, it's just not big with the generation of kids that grew up with freddy five nights.

freddy is to them, what mario is to us.

No where to that level. That be more like if they make a Minecraft movie.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

"This is enjoyable for people who enjoy this sort of thing", which is nothing more than a meaningless tautology.

Yes and no. That still means how well a film did and presenting it's subject matter should be weighted on those merits alone. Otherwise, any singularly standard gatekeeps everything else to a single standard. Which is the sin of "professional" reviewers, since they tend to hold every film made to Oscar bait or Scorsese type film standards to get close to 10/10 scores. Which means your Avengers, Hangovers, John Wicks, etc. never stand fair chances. Reviewing a film on "how well does it achieve what it's trying to do" tends be a more fair measuring stick.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Second, even beyond that you get people who have a tendency to not really qualify reviews, so you get people who will give 10/10 to any movie they enjoy and 1/10 to any movie they dislike, which skews any potential review score. You lost any real sense of quality when you're scoring almost entirely pass/fail. Was it a good movie with flaws? A movie that was mostly mediocre but not bad enough to call bad? Was it a masterpiece that will never be surpassed? If your score system is only yes/no, then all of those movies are classified as being exactly the same value.

Oh, absolutely, and I don't trust people who swear by user reviews, because your average consumers is way too stupid to review correctly. "The meal was perfe t, but my water was refilled 4 times and not 5, so 2/10" is way too prevalent, in addition to the pass/fail you mentioned.

And of course, the other side of the coin is professional reviewers gatekeepers, or being bought and paid, like RT. Basically, reviews of any and all kind tend to be shit.

And agreed that there's an average problem, where 7/10 indeed tends to mean average, but others call that 5/10. And then using a 5 point scaleq equate that poorly too often with a 10 point scale.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

(Even beyond all that, there's the problem of personal preference. If you and I watch the greatest horror movie of all time but I give it a 1/10 because I don't like horror movies in general, my opinion probably isn't going to be all that meaningful. But it will still be counted just as equally as yours if the two of us rate the movie on a voting site.)

Indeed. Kinda what I said earlier, to be a "good reviewer", one should be open to reviewers on the subject's own merit. Like, I don't care about sports video games, so no one should ask my opinion on reviewing one, even if I tried to be objective.

This also ends up being a problem with taking opinions on if a game or w/e is good or not from people like Yahtzee, who flat-out admit they dislike basically half the game genres from the outright.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

No where to that level. That be more like if they make a Minecraft movie.

minecrafts main demographic is also people in their 30s lmao

all the kids are playing roblox lol

ConfusedTorchic posted...

minecrafts main demographic is also people in their 30s lmao

all the kids are playing roblox lol

Oh man, you're waaaaayyy out of touch if that's what you think. Kids are the main demographic keeping Minecraft relevant these days.

no they are not lmfao

not even by a longshot

roblox surpassed the minecraft monthly average in 2019 and it's only ever gone up since then, while minecrafts has actually averaged down.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

mario is for millennials, people in their 30's and 40's, no matter what nintendo says or tries to do, it's just not big with the generation of kids that grew up with freddy five nights.

really? my nephews and their friends were just as excited for both and apparently enjoyed both just as much. (well ok they are a little more obsessed with fnaf.)

meanwhile I thought the mario movie was ok at best, and otherwise very very strange. none of the characters felt like their VG counter-parts. it was like an entirely new cast of characters with the mario character's faces plastered on them. it was an ok movie but sure didn't feel like a mario movie to me.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

no they are not lmfao

not even by a longshot

roblox surpassed the minecraft monthly average in 2019 and it's only ever gone up since then, while minecrafts has actually averaged down.

it depends what age you're talking about. something like 5-7 year olds love roblox, but roblox is definitely a young kids game and for 8+ year olds they start to notice that. the older ones can still like minecraft though since it's a much deeper more interesting game.

i think fnaf is down to 23% on rotten tomatoes

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How?

Lokarin posted...

i think fnaf is down to 23% on rotten tomatoes

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How?

it's very much a kids' movie. I doubt many kids are writing reviews for it. meanwhile a lot of adults seem to have wanted an R-rated adult horror movie and are disappointed with what they got instead.

for me, it was ok as a kids' movie and I kind of liked the general theme of the movie, but overall I can't really say that it was very good. but it wasn't really terrible either. it could definitely have been better but I think it did at least hit a lot of the notes that kids wanted it to hit (from what I've seen).