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10/24/23 8:02:29 AM
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WingsOfGood
10/24/23 9:45:35 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67198270

The Israeli military screened footage taken from bodycams worn by Hamas, CCTV, dashboard cameras and mobile phones

This article contains descriptions of violence which some readers may find distressing.

The Israeli military held a screening for journalists on Monday of raw footage recovered from Hamas body cameras, in an effort to remind the world of the brutality of the attack on Israel two weeks ago.
The bodycam footage, cut together with clips from CCTV, dashboard cameras and the mobile phones of both Hamas gunmen and victims, showed in stark detail the sheer horror visited on a music festival and family neighbourhoods in southern Israel.
The Israeli military also released documents which they said were recovered from dead Hamas members, containing detailed operational planning and instructions for attacking the neighbourhoods and taking hostages.
The 43 minutes of footage screened at a military base near Tel Aviv on Monday was distilled from hundreds of hours of footage collected since the attack, the Israeli military said. It contained clips of Hamas gunmen cheering with apparent joy as they shot civilians on the road, and later stalking the pathways of kibbutzim and killing parents and children in their homes.
One traumatic sequence, taken from home cameras inside of a kibbutz, showed a father rushing his two young boys into an above ground shelter, seconds before Hamas attackers threw a grenade in, killing the father and wounding the boys.
After the two boys, bloodied and in shock, had staggered back into their home screaming, a Hamas gunman calmly entered and looked through the fridge in front of them, pausing to take a drink before walking out again.
One of the boys cried to his brother: "Daddy is dead, this is not a prank," and repeated "Why am I alive?" His brother was apparently blinded by the grenade. The military spokesman present at the screening was unable to say whether they survived.

The film also contained an audio recording of one of the Hamas gunmen calling home to his parents in Gaza from the phone of a victim to boast that he had "killed at least 10 Jews with my bare hands".
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"Please open WhatsApp and look how many dead," he implored his parents repeatedly, apparently referring to pictures or video he had sent home showing the attack. "Your son killed so many Jews," he said. "Mum, your son is a hero."
Another sequence showed one Hamas gunman shooting the apparently dead bodies of civilians inside a kibbutz in a celebratory manner, and an attempt to decapitate someone who appeared to be still alive using a garden hoe.
The footage, some taken from mobile phones of victims, also showed the abject fear of those who hid in safe rooms and shelters as the sounds of gunfire and explosions came closer.
The decision to screen the raw footage for journalists reflected an apparent frustration among senior ranks of the Israeli military that the media coverage of Hamas's brutal attack on 7 October had given way to coverage of Israel's air strikes against Gaza and the humanitarian crisis created by Israel's order for Gazans to migrate south.
Speaking to the assembled international media after the screening, Major General Michael Edelstein, a former IDF Gaza division commander, said he had been "shocked" by the coverage.
"We see that some of the channels are trying to compare what Israel is doing and what those vile terrorists are doing," General Edelstein said.
"I cannot understand anyone who compares," he said. "And after what we have shared with you, you should know it."
More than 1,400 Israelis have been killed since the Hamas attack on 7 October, according to Israeli authorities - the vast majority in the initial assault. More than 220 are believed to have been taken hostage inside Gaza.
The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says more than 5,000 Palestinians have been killed since Israel's air strikes began in response, and according to the Palestinian health ministry in the occupied West Bank, 91 Palestinians have been killed there since 7 October.

After the screening of the footage on Monday, a virtual reality experience was available, created using video from the first responders who entered family homes in the kibbutzim targeted by Hamas.
The Israeli military also released two instruction manuals taken from dead Hamas gunmen, containing detailed plans for the attack and for taking hostages.
"They must shoot down as many victims as possible, take hostages and take some of them to the Gaza Strip using various cars," said one part of the manual.
In a separate document specifically about hostages, the Hamas operatives were instructed to "kill the problematic and those who pose a threat" and gather others together to use as "cannon fodder".
Israel's military is still reeling from the 7 October attack, the worst breach of its defences in the south in 50 years. Despite huge resources being put into destroying Hamas tunnels and expanding Israel's security fence both below ground and out to sea, Hamas was able to storm and breach the fence in huge numbers.
More than 1,000 militants crossed into Israel in the initial incursion, General Edelstein said on Monday. The first parts of the video compilation showed groups of pick-up trucks packed with Hamas gunmen, driving freely along Israeli highways and shooting civilians at will.
The documents recovered from the bodies of the Hamas militants made it clear that Hamas "came with orders to slaughter and burn citizens", General Edelstein said.
"They simply decided to burn families within their homes. And they took hostages alive, they were aiming to take children back into Gaza," he said.
"Orders were there for how many to kill, how many to take as hostages. Orders were there to rape, all was written and ordered."
Speaking before the screening, Israeli military spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said that members of the military had debated whether to show the footage, but that he had decided personally to go ahead.
"We understand already that we need to create a collective memory for the future," he said. "We will not let the world forget."

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Foppe
10/24/23 10:11:09 AM
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Pointing out that Israel created Hamas is not equal to supporting Hamas.

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ClayGuida
10/24/23 10:15:50 AM
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Funding Hamas is supporting them and bibi is on record advocating for just that.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
10/24/23 10:21:35 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Of course, when pushed, they'll report you for trolling,
Been reported for trolling pretty often, I take it?

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scar_the_1
10/24/23 10:23:56 AM
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I don't trust for a second that Hamas wouldn't commit various atrocities. But I trust even less footage presented by Israel's military.

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SpiritSephiroth
10/24/23 10:33:15 AM
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Anything that comes out of Israel I immediately distrust.

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MacadamianNut3
10/24/23 10:35:03 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Of course, when pushed, they'll report you for trolling
sounds like a skill issue on your part

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WingsOfGood
10/24/23 10:37:45 AM
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scar_the_1 posted...
I don't trust for a second that Hamas wouldn't commit various atrocities. But I trust even less footage presented by Israel's military.

the footage is HAMAS own footage used to recruit

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ThyCorndog
10/24/23 10:39:50 AM
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I'm sure Hamas did all of this and it's unjustfiable and terrible. This still doesn't justify thousands of innocent Palestinians being killed. The appeal to visceral emotion isn't going to change that

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scar_the_1
10/24/23 10:50:39 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
the footage is HAMAS own footage used to recruit
That may be so! It wouldn't shock anyone that Hamas are bad. It's just that when it's presented as "Israel's military presented footage", I don't trust that it is what they say it is. We've already seen how they doctored an audio file to blame Hamas for the recent hospital circus.

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WingsOfGood
10/24/23 10:51:59 AM
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scar_the_1 posted...
That may be so! It wouldn't shock anyone that Hamas are bad. It's just that when it's presented as "Israel's military presented footage", I don't trust that it is what they say it is. We've already seen how they doctored an audio file to blame Hamas for the recent hospital circus.

sure. this story had been ruminating because of this, like it didn't break today
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Metal_Gear_Raxis
10/24/23 12:41:45 PM
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Oof, seems they were right to be worried about getting reported.

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Pas5wordFAQ
10/24/23 6:09:07 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
I'm sure Hamas did all of this and it's unjustfiable and terrible. This still doesn't justify thousands of innocent Palestinians being killed. The appeal to visceral emotion isn't going to change that


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cjsdowg
10/24/23 6:15:10 PM
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Was Shireen Abu Allen one of the reporters they showed this to?

Also no one is saying that a terrorist group isn't doing horrible shit. So honestly what is the point?

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Trumble
10/24/23 6:16:03 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Was Shireen Abu Allen one of the reporters they showed this to?

Also no one is saying that a terrorist group isn't doing horrible shit. So honestly what is the point?
Whenever things flare up and Israel starts comitting war crimes, they try to push hard on stuff to elicit sympathy for them despite it never in any way justifying their actions. And the sad part is, it often works.

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TetsuoS2
10/24/23 8:27:10 PM
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can you imagine the kind of person that would sift through hundreds of hours of that shit and releasing it into a digestible video?

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hockeybub89
10/24/23 8:31:49 PM
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Maybe if Israel had self-checkout, TC would start being mad at them

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WingsOfGood
10/25/23 8:44:41 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Maybe if Israel had self-checkout, TC would start being mad at them

What do you mean?
You believe reporting should not happen if you are mad at one side?
Stop trolling

Or do you defend Hamas?
Hockeybub noy mad at Hamas.

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