Current Events > I hate this weirdo altright incel hating women culture that is online constantly

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Like Andrew Tate and stuff like this Fresh and Fit podcast so toxic and gross and so many sad lonely over 35 year old dudes just eat it up blaming all their problems on promiscous OF girls or something.

Its the cringiest most beta weird thing ever.
I saw one livestream earlier and the whole chat was just 30-45 year old dudes bashing on women and they seem so salty and bitter that they aren't in a relationship and get into this messed up incel cult or something its scary and sad.

Like how does society even fix this now? Because they are influencing so many people to think this way.

I'm sick and tired of being bombared with bullshit anti-women videos every time I go onto youtube.

Sad part is a lot of it isn't 35 year olds.

It's teenagers. There's a huge amount of 12-20 year olds who eat this shit up

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm sick and tired of being bombared with bullshit anti-women videos every time I go onto youtube.

Sad part is a lot of it isn't 35 year olds.

It's teenagers. There's a huge amount of 12-20 year olds who eat this shit up

Oh yeah I constantly get them recommended on YT so annoying and it is so cringe.
That is sad if kids and teens are the ones watching

My uncle fell in with them pretty hard. He was married for like 20 years, then it came out that his wife was both abusive and completely batshit insane. Beat him, beat the kids, etc. Once they split, not only did she get with a guy who was just as awful to the kids as she was, but she fuckin fleeced gim in divorce court, scored their house, majority of custody of the kids, alimony, plus a big stake in my uncle's business (she was a stay at home mom). Took years of court battles for my uncle to wrangle custody of just the youngest kid (the others had hit 18 by then) and by then a ton of damage had been done.

And he fell in super fucking hard with the Andrew Tates and the MGTOW shitlords almost immediately after. Tons of their crap all over his social media, constantly bitching about women in general at family things, even tried to talk me out of marrying my now wife more than once.

Such a shame. He was a really cool guy, when I was younger. Hope his ex rots in hell.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm sick and tired of being bombared with bullshit anti-women videos every time I go onto youtube.

Sad part is a lot of it isn't 35 year olds.

It's teenagers. There's a huge amount of 12-20 year olds who eat this shit up

Very true.

I know a few teachers, and they worry about this.

AwesomoSauce posted...

Like how does society even fix this now? Because they are influencing so many people to think this way.

Crudely, we need to encourage more safe premarital sex. More nuanced, we need to construct more environments where young people can interact in person (not on screens) and naturally start to find matches, with time and space to experiment socially, minimizing life-changing consequences at ages where brains are still forming. It includes "free" periods at schools. It includes coed sports teams, arts programs, and high-achieving academic programs ("honors" classes). It means encouraging more girls in STEM classes. It means encouraging more boys wherever they might be underrepresented. It means supporting gender diversity, sexuality diversity, and neuro-diversity. It means media literacy. ...and it definitely means strong sexual health programs, which should include communication skills and body image issues.

I agree with everything you said TC. Its awful. I think there might be some underlining reasons for it though. The main thing is the high amount of divorce in the US. So those men that were divorced go out and try to help other men not get into their situation. The problem with that is should young people listen to men who have had relationship problems or those that havent? Its something not really thought about by people who are young and older people just identify with their own beliefs that justify their own experiences

"name 10 books."

"1: game of thrones..."

I find that content no different than the hating on men culture that some happily embrace. Same to those who embrace double standard, outdated values/roles for men and woman.

Especially the latter one I listed which feeds the hating woman and hating men movements.

Just ignore it as both camps are a minority.

Also his workout advice sucks. It's 2023 and people are still recommending bent over row, into bicep curl, into overhead press combo lifts? Wtf

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm sick and tired of being bombared with bullshit anti-women videos every time I go onto youtube.

Sad part is a lot of it isn't 35 year olds.

It's teenagers. There's a huge amount of 12-20 year olds who eat this shit up

Theyre the logical target audience, and the young mens fitness industry is just as predatory and dishonest as young womens fashion.

In both cases the audience are presented with impossible standards justified with hard work but conveniently theres no mention of the money, surgery and drugs involved to actually achieve those results.

I hope they only exist in america (im in uk). Youtube has turned off recommendations because I disable my history. So I just click my subscriptions and see videos from them. So I never see any of this incel shit.

asdf8562 posted...

I find that content no different than the hating on men culture that some happily embrace. Same to those who embrace double standard, outdated values/roles for men and woman.

Especially the latter one I listed which feeds the hating woman and hating men movements.

Just ignore it as both camps are a minority.

"Both sides!"

PeteyParker posted...

"Both sides!"

If you actually care about addressing the problem then you have to address both men and woman. Both men and woman are literally by default a part of this discussion.

This problem is more nuanced than some care to realize. With one of the reasons some flock to redpill content is because some don't want to acknowledge the hate/bash men culture.

Some are very quick to point out woman hating culture but silent on the men hating/bashing culture. The type that are cool with laying on labels and criticism of men and what they should be doing, but dare say something critical about a woman and the label incel is used even when its incorrect to even use the word. The people flocking to gender hating content feel like said content "gets them" or at the very least a portion of that content speaks to some of the things they feel about. If people actually care to address the growing hate culture content, people have to actually care to address the nuance of the problem instead of jumping to dismissing all together.

More importantly, this gender hating crowd makes up a minority anyway. Most men and woman are not going around doing this shit.

asdf8562 posted...

If you actually care about addressing the problem then you have to address both men and woman. As some are very quick to point out woman hating but silent on the men hating.

This problem is more nuanced than some care to realize. With one of the reasons some flock to redpill content is because some don't want to acknowledge the hate/bash men culture.

More importantly, the gender hating crowd makes up a minority. Most men and woman are going around doing this shit.

I think you have a point tbh. Im a left leaning person but we have an issue on this side. We villainize and/or dont care about men issues on this side of the political spectrum. Just talking to men would really help. That is why so many red pill hard right people attract these men. Especially young men who are easily influenced. They actually talk to them and offer solutions. Usually the wrong solutions but they offer something. Many times, men issues are ignored on the left or are responded to with have you tried not being a terrible person? It doesnt help and pushes men away.

AwesomoSauce posted...

Like Andrew Tate and stuff like this Fresh and Fit podcast so toxic and gross and so many sad lonely over 35 year old dudes just eat it up blaming all their problems on promiscous OF girls or something.

More women for me omnomnomnom

asdf8562 posted...

I find that content no different than the hating on men culture that some happily embrace. Same to those who embrace double standard, outdated values/roles for men and woman.

Especially the latter one I listed which feeds the hating woman and hating men movements.

This "Both sides" nonsense doesn't really fly.

The MRA, Manosphere, anti woman, anti woke whatever you want to call it movement is huge, growing, aggressive, has found its way into politics, is being used in sex trafficking, is targeting young people and blasted across social media

"You can find some bad anti men rubbish too if you go looking for it" is just a lazy justification.

It's on par with listening to White Supremacist garbage and going "Well you know there's black supreamacists and Jewish supremacists too right? Just ignore them" you have to be in a position of enormous priviledge and safety to feel that way.

Just ignore it as both camps are a minority.

Disagree.

"Just ignore it" allowed it to grow and fester, same as with Donald Trump.

You should challenge it, loudly and look for solutions to improve mental health and society. Otherwise it just gets worse. As Indeed it has done over the past decade.

DepreceV2 posted...

I think you have a point tbh. Im a left leaning person but we have an issue on this side. We villainize and/or dont care about men issues in this side of the political spectrum. Just talking to men would really help. That is why so many red pill hard right people attract these men. Especially young men who are easily influenced. They actually talk to them and offer solutions. Usually the wrong solutions but they offer something. Many times, men issues are ignored on the left or are responded to with have you tried not being a terrible person? It doesnt help and pushes men away.

I'm not sure I agree with this either.

"Left leaning person" is so vague but without a doubt the movements right now pulling for male mental health, telling men it's okay to have feelings, cry etc and they should talk to people and telling women to stop expecting men to be stoic are NOT being pushed by the Andrew Tate manosphere etc right wing chuds.

They're being pushed by what the right wing would define as "Woke communist politicans and charities"

Hell the very idea that the women hating/fitness/sex trafficking/anti woke Youtube channels, social media groups, gangs etc care about "Mens mental health" is ridiclous. The only solution offered is "Stop being so pathetic and blame women"

I can't imagine anyone in that group talking about Male Survivors or advocating therapy.

UnfairRepresent posted...

This "Both sides" nonsense doesn't really fly.

The MRA, Manosphere, anti woman, anti woke whatever you want to call it movement is huge, growing, aggressive, has found its way into politics, is being used in sex trafficking, is targeting young people and blasted across social media

It's growing for all the reasons I just said post 16. Including your attitude that men bashing and hating is non existent or the way you are putting it almost non existent. "That you have to search for it" for it to be existent.

To the ignoring it discussion, I dont totally disagree with you there. However the way some of you think you're challenging it, comes off like total dismissal of a nuanced problem.

I completely get your frustration with the toxic online culture that promotes hate and misogyny, like what you mentioned with Andrew Tate and the Fresh and Fit podcast. It's disheartening to see so many individuals, particularly older men, getting caught up in these negative communities that blame their problems on women or perpetuate harmful beliefs.

Addressing this issue is a complex task, but it begins with promoting healthy online behavior and teaching digital literacy. We need educational efforts and awareness campaigns to help people critically evaluate the content they encounter on the internet.

It's also important to highlight positive role models and influencers who spread constructive messages, as well as for online platforms to enforce community guidelines to curb the spread of harmful content and address online harassment.

Ultimately, the change must come from individuals challenging and rejecting these toxic ideologies. Open, empathetic dialogues and understanding are vital in working toward a solution for this problem.

UnfairRepresent posted...

"Left leaning person" is so vague

I'm a democrat and I support the majority of things my party pushes. Especially anything to do with human rights. I'm not a hardcore political person though

NPC posted...

It's also important to highlight positive role models and influencers who spread constructive messages

I agree completely.

AwesomoSauce posted...

Like Andrew Tate and stuff like this Fresh and Fit podcast

None of the dudes on those shows are incels nor do they support incels. They're red pillers, which is a different thing regardless if how much online liberals try to conflate them.

UnfairRepresent posted...

The MRA, Manosphere, anti woman, anti woke whatever you want to call it movement is huge, growing, aggressive, has found its way into politics

No it hasn't.

Inohira posted...

None of the dudes on those shows are incels nor do they support incels. They're red pillers, which is a different thing regardless if how much online liberals try to conflate them.

LMAO

Inohira bro just save yourself. Cut your losses.

asdf8562 posted...

Including your attitude that men bashing and hating is non existent.

I never said that.

Flat out lying is not a good idea.

asdf8562 posted...

"That you have to search for it" for it to be existent.

I see every time I go to youtube or social media I'm flooded with these right wing manosphere anti women, anti woke attitudes and posts (Something facebook flat out admitted to promoting) whether I'm logged into an account or not ore regardless of what device I am using and it's history.

Andrew Tate has literally streets for protesters advocating that it's okay he raped women and he needs to be let go.

There are thousands of accounts literally just reuploading and promoting videos to avoid bans, locks and get mega-phoned in young people's feeds.

There is nothing comparable for "Men bashing and hating" on this scale or scope and the past decade of politics in the West demonstrates that succicently.

There is no fitness or sex-trafficking industry that is promoted from this base. There are no political movements or elected politicians who are working from an Anti-Man platform (and if someone tried it would fail miserably)

Your stance is silly and the fact you use the silly stance + lie just to adovcate not doing anything is very suspicious.

Most incel communities I've seen are black pill and make fun of red pill guys.

BTW to demonstrate the point I just went to YouTube on a new phone and these were the very first promoted videos

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/4/0/AAZiH8AAE9wk.jpg

1. Attacking female college Students. 10 million
2. Victim shit about how men are treated in society over women. 42 million
3. Fun comedy stuff,not even 300,000

I don't see the anti men, men hating vids up there. Nor one that would hit 42 million

It's a small point but It grows into a larger picture

DarkBuster22904 posted...

And he fell in super fucking hard with the Andrew Tates and the MGTOW shitlords almost immediately after. Tons of their crap all over his social media, constantly bitching about women in general at family things, even tried to talk me out of marrying my now wife more than once.

Such a shame. He was a really cool guy, when I was younger. Hope his ex rots in hell.

That's really sad, it sucks because he probably truly feels he's protecting you

DuuuDe14 posted...

Most incel communities I've seen are black pill and make fun of red pill guys.

Yeah the red pill and black pill hate each other. Red considers black whiny defeatist losers, black considers red delusional scumbag scammers.

All they share is an obsession with sex and hatred of women.

All I know is I'm thankful to be in a healthy relationship for over 20 years, becasue being single in the internet age sounds miserable.

bigblu89 posted...

All I know is I'm thankful to be in a healthy relationship for over 20 years, becasue being single in the internet age sounds miserable.

It's probably fine if you don't base your entire life around trying to get laid.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Flat out lying is not a good idea.

Your exact words....."You can find some bad anti men rubbish too if you go looking for it"

You literally said male bashing or hate can be found if you go out looking for it. As if it's not there unless you hunt for it.

You don't have to "go looking for" male bashing, male expectations: financially; dating; roles; fighting and more. Even in courts. Especially dating/relationships which is a big pull on young men that whether you care to acknowledge definitely has many double standards for both men and woman. Acknowledging only the issues woman face, but blowing off issues men face is part reason why many flock to that content.

This is way more nuanced, and to dismiss that is part of the growing problem.

UnfairRepresent posted...

There is nothing comparable for "Men bashing and hating" on this scale or scope and the past decade of politics in the West demonstrates that succicently.

This is exactly what I mean. The problem is far more nuanced than you care to acknowledge. Your attitude totally dismissing it is why some flock to the content.

The type of people who are all for addressing a woman's concerns, woman bashing, woman hate, expectations for a woman...... but very quick to dismiss expectations of a man, labels thrown at man, problems a man faces.

You wonder why that content is growing, but fail to grasp this dismissal attitude is in some part why. Redpill content acknowledges some of the problems men do actually face.

Does woman hating/bashing culture exist? Ofc it does.
Should it be condemned at every turn? Ofc.
However the attitude that since woman hating/bashing culture exists, that somehow issues men face is non existent, doesn't matter, or how you characterized it that you have to "go looking for it" is what's pushing some men into redpill content.

Which again, here comes the nuance that I'm sure my post will get misconstrued. To be crystal clear, redpill content goes off in the toxic extreme route of talking about almost anything. The point I'm making isn't to say, "ya! Redpill content is great content people should listen to!" Redpill content is awful. My point is why it's growing. Redpill content takes issues men do actually face, takes advantage of that since no one else wants to acknowledge those issues are even issues, then profit off a toxic masculinity approach on dealing with those issues.

DuuuDe14 posted...

Most incel communities I've seen are black pill and make fun of red pill guys.

There are at least four or five mutually antagonistic groups all lumped together as "the manosphere" or whatever.

Unknown5uspect posted...

It's probably fine if you don't base your entire life around trying to get laid.

Probably is. Plus, at 45, if I were "suddenly single" I would have to assume that the people I would end up dating all remember what it was like to date pre-internet, and aren't really part of this "online hate club" that seems to exist among people of younger ages.

asdf8562 posted...

Your exact words....."You can find some bad anti men rubbish too if you go looking for it"

You literally said male bashing or hate can be found if you go out looking for it. As if it's not there unless you hunt for it.

You don't have to "go looking for" male bashing, male expectations: financially; dating; roles; fighting and more. Even in courts. Especially dating/relationships which is a big pull on young men that whether you care to acknowledge definitely has many double standards for both men and woman. Acknowledging only the issues woman face, but blowing off issues men face is part reason why many flock to that content.

This is way more nuanced, and to dismiss that is part of the growing problem.

This is exactly what I mean. The problem is far more nuanced than you care to acknowledge. Your attitude totally dismissing it is why some flock to the content.

The type of people who are all for addressing a woman's concerns, woman bashing, woman hate, expectations for a woman...... but very quick to dismiss expectations of a man, labels thrown at man, problems a man faces.

You wonder why that content is growing, but fail to grasp this dismissal attitude is in some part why. Redpill content acknowledges some of the problems men do actually face.

Does woman hating/bashing culture exist? Ofc it does.
Should it be condemned at every turn? Ofc.
However the attitude that since woman hating/bashing culture exists, that somehow issues men face is non existent, doesn't matter, or how you characterized it that you have to "go looking for it" is what's pushing some men into redpill content.

Which again, here comes the nuance that I'm sure my post will get misconstrued. To be crystal clear, redpill content goes off in the toxic extreme route of talking about almost anything. The point I'm making isn't to say, "ya! Redpill content is great content people should listen to!" Redpill content is awful. My point is why it's growing. Redpill content takes issues men do actually face, takes advantage of that since no one else wants to acknowledge those issues are even issues, then profit off a toxic masculinity approach on dealing with those issues.

You're all over the place

First you respond to "I hate this weirdo altright incel hating women culture that is online constantly"

with "I find that content no different than the hating on men culture."

Then you advocate the solution is to just ignore it

Then when challenged you've pulled a total 180 and now arguing that the problem is that everyone just ignores it instead of talking about mens issues and encouraging mens mental health.... Which the toxic incell women hating women culture online is absolutely not doing. And there is no men hating culture that you initially refered to.

Now you've pivoted from directly what the topic was talking about to some weird abstract undefinable stance of "The reasons and causes as to why the incel anti women alt-right nonsense has grown is because of unquantifable men hating."

Which for the record, I don't even think is true but regardless you're still lying that I said men hating "doesn't exist" and now you're arguing "the weird toxic anti women movements online is the same thing as if you look at courts."

What does that even mean? Assuming it's something like Divorce courts tending to favor mothers in custody, that is:

1. Not comparable at all to the online anti women Andrew Tate, Manosphere culture.
2. Not something that the above is "providing answers too" Death to simps, OF whores suck, work out, hate gay people, colleges suck, immigrants out, don't get vaxxed. None of that has any relationship at all to custody battles. It's all entirely aimed at promoting their businsesses and right wing politics.

It's clearly not growing because of "mens issues" like courts and men bashing. It's growing because of anger, hatred and sexual frustration. Is "courts and men bashing" your excuse for the Anti-vax and MAGA movement too? Do we need to both sides them?

And on top of all that, when I said "you have to go looking for it" was clearly in reference to the culture the topic is talking about and what everyone including yourself was talking about. Social media, gangs, youtube, podcasts, politcians etc. where you have to go looking to find the men hating parts of it, as they are not promoted or popular. You have to go looking on youtube, or twitter, or facebook, or politicans, instagram to find those groups. The incel ones are thrown right at you the moment you turn up, Twitter flat out admited it delibrately promotes right-wing content because it generates money. Left wingers are less likely to buy stuff.

All this constantly twisting, constantly changing position, utter bad faith dishonesty solely to justify the toxic incell bollocks and pull a bizarre "both sides" is bonkers.

Hell you even flipped from "Just ignore it" to a "no one is willing to acklowedge these issues, they just ignore them." and a literal "Well women hating should be condemned, however..."

UnfairRepresent posted...

You're all over the place

I'm not all over the place. You just have an issue following along.

I have been very consistent that this is a nuanced problem, and that dismissing male bashing and problem males face is partly why redpill content is growing.

I didn't bother read the rest of your post, since you have made it pretty clear you don't wish to acknowledge any problems a man faces, which again is partly why redpill content is growing. Dismissal of a nuanced problem that isn't as black and white as you paint it.

Especially the part where you claimed my solution is to ignore it, which shows you didn't read all of my posts either. You cherry picked the argument and ignored where I said "I dont totally disagree with you there. However the way some of you think you're challenging it, comes off like total dismissal of a nuanced problem."

DuuuDe14 posted...

Most incel communities I've seen are black pill and make fun of red pill guys.

While that is true, I seriously doubt most people would know the difference or even care to. The general attitude is usually dismissive and condescending towards this topic.

What is the man-hating equivalent to the misogynist manosphere? To Andrew Tate, rapist, abuser, and sex trafficker? To Red Pilling? To PUAs? To a general Internet commentary which fixates on how women are not adequate if their tits or ass aren't big enough, or their face not sufficiently pretty?

Isn't Andrew tate not an incel? He's a misogynist and abuser.

C_Pain posted...

Isn't Andrew tate not an incel? He's a misogynist and abuser.

He's not an incel. He exploits them for profit and they see him as a hero.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

While that is true, I seriously doubt most people would know the difference or even care to. The general attitude is usually dismissive and condescending towards this topic.

Because it's easier to demonize and write people off than try to understand why they think the way they do.

This isn't exclusive to red pill or misandry. It's a common mindset that encompasses too many people.

I can almost buy the "males are being ignored" argument except that whenever you listen to their gurus their advice is always shit like "work out and eat healthy protein and make money"

Like is that seriously what's holding men back? People aren't telling men to work out and eat healthy?

Shadow_Don posted...

I can almost buy the "males are being ignored" argument except that whenever you listen to their gurus their advice is always shit like "work out and eat healthy protein and make money"

Like is that seriously what's holding men back? People aren't telling men to work out and eat healthy?

No one here is defending redpill content as useful or good content to better a man's life. I think everyone in this topic agrees redpill content is toxic and terrible content.

So in specific to redpillers, you have some boiling a nuanced issue into, "all redpillers love sex trafficking", near dismissal of men's issues, and not understanding content appealing to at least some of the issues men face can appeal as opposed to content or attitudes blowing those issues off.

I see no one here defending redpill influencers as great or even mediocre gurus with quality content.

So whats being discussed by some here is why that content is growing. No one is defending that content as good. @Duuude14 put it best in his post.

ai123 posted...

What is the man-hating equivalent to the misogynist manosphere? To Andrew Tate, rapist, abuser, and sex trafficker? To Red Pilling? To PUAs? To a general Internet commentary which fixates on how women are not adequate if their tits or ass aren't big enough, or their face not sufficiently pretty?

Women who think men that are under 6 feet tall or make less than $250k are useless?

DarkBuster22904 posted...

My uncle fell in with them pretty hard. He was married for like 20 years, then it came out that his wife was both abusive and completely batshit insane. Beat him, beat the kids, etc. Once they split, not only did she get with a guy who was just as awful to the kids as she was, but she fuckin fleeced gim in divorce court, scored their house, majority of custody of the kids, alimony, plus a big stake in my uncle's business (she was a stay at home mom). Took years of court battles for my uncle to wrangle custody of just the youngest kid (the others had hit 18 by then) and by then a ton of damage had been done.

And he fell in super fucking hard with the Andrew Tates and the MGTOW shitlords almost immediately after. Tons of their crap all over his social media, constantly bitching about women in general at family things, even tried to talk me out of marrying my now wife more than once.

Such a shame. He was a really cool guy, when I was younger. Hope his ex rots in hell.

Can't wait to get married.

Nah, my girl wouldn't do that. I don't think. But man I've just heard so many bad marriage stories.

bigblu89 posted...

Women who think men that are under 6 feet tall or make less than $250k are useless?

I think they wanted names of people who are promoting that mindset in the same way the MGTOW/red pill types do.

Also, if you don't want those videos being suggested to you then stop watching them. That's something 100% in your control.

lolife67 posted...

I think they wanted names of people who are promoting that mindset in the same way the MGTOW/red pill types do.

Also, if you don't want those videos being suggested to you then stop watching them. That's something 100% in your control.

This is a half truth
Even if you don't watch them they're still suggested and even if you block them they come back from other channels

And putting aside, "You don't have to watch them so ignore the harm the toxic culture is doing " is massively short sighted

These ideas are still being pushed on a hourly basis to hundreds of millions of people including impressionable teens and are having a major affect on policies, gangs, sex trafficking, laws etc

That was the logic that led to MAGA unchecked and streets full of protesters saying its OK to rape.

"Just ignore them You dont have to watch " It's a very lazy thought process that pretty much just supports the toxicity

bigblu89 posted...

Women who think men that are under 6 feet tall or make less than $250k are useless?

Wheres the 42 million views video on the front page of YouTube supporting that? Where's the politicians promoting that? Where's the new laws/policies/main stream podcasts calling for that?

Where's the excusing criminality of people who think that?

Where's social media actively admitting it promoted anti male content in the algorithm because it makes money from misandrists?

That movement doesn't exist

You have to actively go out of your way to find examples of it and everyone hates them. It's utterly incomparable

There's no "both sides" here in terms of this toxic anti women /anti woke alt-right anti vaxx movement