Current Events > So whats stopping Squeenix from making Final Fantasy 6 Remake?

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Either

1. Pixel remaster doesn't sell as high as expectations, so it's taken as an indicator that FF6 remake won't sell well too
2. Pixel remaster sold very well, so they don't need to remake it since people throw their money at a remaster anyway.

masterbarf posted...

Don't know. But I don't see how remaking games has value, unless you're one of these dumbasses who think newer equals better, or love homogenization. The last thing SNES games need is to look and play like something else.

If you like a game, you should be asking for high quality ports, not for it to be vandalized.

I like some remakes. Remakes of anything 360 and above right now would be stupid though. Remasters are good enough. Hell ff 8 Remaster was good enough. But if the og had really shitty graphics by today's standards I'm game for a remake.

This mostly applies to ps1 n64 era games. The games where good but graphics where shit. It's a roll of the dice on if thr remake will be any good since they like to change shit. But I'm willing to take that gamble. Good graphics ain't the most important part of a game but it does add to the expiernce

With how they've handled the 7 remakes, would you really want 6 to be remade?

Probably will fuck it up ngl

masterbarf posted...

Don't know. But I don't see how remaking games has value, unless you're one of these dumbasses who think newer equals better, or love homogenization. The last thing SNES games need is to look and play like something else.

If you like a game, you should be asking for high quality ports, not for it to be vandalized.

Super Mario RPG?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

When was the last time you played it?

Last year when the Pixel Remaster dropped. I was thoroughly engrossed the entire time. I consider it the definitive version, as the music upgrade nearly drove me to tears on more than one occasion.

Dark_Arbron posted...

There are still debates over who even is FF6s protagonist

This is only a problem for hopeless shonen superfans who need a marketable singular face to identify with the media.

No, FF6 doesn't have a clear protagonist, and that's fine. It's a story about people, not a person. And no, the ensemble doesn't fail because not everyone gets equal screen time. The characters who have a story get their due.

No, of course FF6 isn't a perfect game. But I don't think popping open the hood and rewiring it is all that necessary.

I want to see the chatacters with Nomura designs. Shadow needs a ninja outfit made of belts. Gau needs zippers to keep his pelts together. Cyan needs long shorts

CyricZ posted...

No, FF6 doesn't have a clear protagonist, and that's fine. It's a story about people, not a person. And no, the ensemble doesn't fail because not everyone gets equal screen time.

the ensemble fails because the latter, idk, 5/8ths of the game are a middling unfocused mess where the cast becomes an amorphous blob of largely interchangeable major characters and minor gag characters with no real impetus beyond a bland notion of "save world" whether that means fuck all to their character arc or not

game was ambitious and stellar for its time, but in hindsight suffered from an overbloated cast and a meandering plot to compensate for it

couple that with the fact that the game/character progression systems implemented to support said bloat made the most meaningful choice in party selection "what sprites do i wanna see?"

VI is mid at best. ffv was the best snes era FF by a mile, and despite its pretty vanilla plot, is, comparatively, a joy to play

ArsGoetia posted...

the ensemble fails because the latter, idk, 5/8ths of the game are a middling unfocused mess where the cast becomes an amorphous blob of largely interchangeable major characters and minor gag characters with no real impetus beyond a bland notion of "save world" whether that means fuck all to their character arc or not

game was ambitious and stellar for its time, but in hindsight suffered from an overbloated cast and a meandering plot to compensate for it

couple that with the fact that the game/character progression systems implemented to support said bloat made the most meaningful choice in party selection "what sprites do i wanna see?"

VI is mid at best. ffv was the best snes era FF by a mile, and despite its pretty vanilla plot, is, comparatively, a joy to play

Well said

RVallant posted...

With how they've handled the 7 remakes, would you really want 6 to be remade?

This is my thought

PowerOats posted...

That looks like Octopath or Star Ocean 2 HD?

They won't do it like that. Gotta be top of the line graphics.

Iirc its one of the least popular in Japan

kawalimus posted...

Iirc its one of the least popular in Japan

its 4th in Japan, behind 14, 7, and 10

Look I'm not especially interested in getting deep in the weeds on the finer points of FFVI's quality.

Y'all have your criticisms and that's fine. It's just a matter of answering the question "does it NEED a remake"?

Like did it fail that spectacularly at one thing or another that demands it?

CyricZ posted...

Look I'm not especially interested in getting deep in the weeds on the finer points of FFVI's quality.

Y'all have your criticisms and that's fine. It's just a matter of answering the question "does it NEED a remake"?

Like did it fail that spectacularly at one thing or another that demands it?

It needs one to elevate the good things we remember about it so that it can properly last the test of time. The game aged like milk. Sorry to say, but it's true.

There are thankfully hacks like T-Edition that improve it tremendously. I'd look into that for a better experience.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Sorry to say, but it's true.

No it's your opinion.

T-Edition adds superbosses and difficulty.

CyricZ posted...

T-Edition adds superbosses and difficulty.

Among loads of content and plot.

Longer is not better.

The game isn't "longer"

6 is the worst of the SNES trilogy

Don't get confused and think this means it's a bad game, but its the worst of the three and has plenty of flaws, many of which have already been addressed in this topic

Now its hip to hate 6?

LordMarshal posted...

Now its hip to hate 6?

No one is hating 6. It's still in the upper tier of FF games. It's just aged terribly as other FFs like V aged better.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

No one is hating 6. It's still in the upper tier of FF games. It's just aged terribly as other FFs like V aged better.

Well I disagree, V is a boring piece of shit. "Oh the job class system is phenomenal" doesn't mean anything when I have no motivation to move forward.

voldothegr8 posted...

Well I disagree, V is a boring piece of shit. "Oh the job class system is phenomenal" doesn't mean anything when I have no motivation to move forward.

FFV has a more cohesive plot and a party of characters that don't become robots a quarter of the way through the game.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

No one is hating 6. It's still in the upper tier of FF games. It's just aged terribly as other FFs like V aged better.

Bravely Default functionally makes V irrelevant to play. There's still nothing out there really like 6. Closest it gets is FF4:TAY

Tyranthraxus posted...

Closest it gets is FF4:TAY

You certainly did what you set out to do comparing FF6 to one of the worst FF related games in history.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

You certainly did what you set out to do comparing FF6 to one of the worst FF related games in history.

Only reason people didn't like the game is because of the Wii Ware pricing model.

Play the complete edition.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Only reason people didn't like the game is because of the Wii Ware pricing model.

Play the complete edition.

I have. The After Years takes all the worst parts of FFIV, repeats the same damn story, puts it in a chapter system no one asked for, and combines it with a shitty battle mechanic.

The same dudes asking this and FFIX remakes are probably the same ones with catharsis at Square Enix' financial troubles after FFXVI. It has to make financial sense (I also thing creative) to do remakes

Jiek_Fafn posted...

I want to see the chatacters with Nomura designs. Shadow needs a ninja outfit made of belts. Gau needs zippers to keep his pelts together. Cyan needs long shorts

Nomura doesnt even do that stuff anymore.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

I have. The After Years takes all the worst parts of FFIV, repeats the same damn story, puts it in a chapter system no one asked for, and combines it with a shitty battle mechanic.

It's the exact same battle system as FF4 except they removed that stupid waiting for no reason after you input a command + added Chrono trigger style combo attacks.

It takes the worst parts of FF4 and fucking fixes them. All the characters get new shit. Edward is actually OP. Edge Ninjitsu isn't useless anymore. Kain gets a massive upgrade. The only character that didn't get an overhaul was Cecil.

And there's literally nothing wrong with the chapter system.

Eww, I stepped in shit!

*looks at bottom of shoe*
*it's covered in half the posts in this topic*

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Nomura doesnt even do that stuff anymore.

He will if you pester him about it.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

Remakes of anything 360 and above right now would be stupid though.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

This mostly applies to ps1 n64 era games.

I don't see why one console would be justified and others wouldn't. Each console has its own style, and each style can be used to make cool art. Appreciation of the variety of interactive/artistic experiences available should be valued over trying to make everything into a narrower mold.

The problem with remakes is exacerbated by the fact that it's typically a good game being remade. A game where audio, visual, and gameplay elements were thoughtfully designed to be cohesive and express a vision, a mood, an experience. Remakes lose that, and for nothing more than the idea that, what is current is superior, which is in terrible taste. It would be amazing if all N64/PS1/NES/Neo-Geo/etc games became readily available to purchase and play on modern hardware. It would be a tragedy if those games were remakes.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Super Mario RPG?

Great game.

masterbarf posted...

don't see why one console would be justified and others wouldn't. Each console has its own style, and each style can be used to make cool art. Appreciation of the variety of interactive/artistic experiences available should be valued over trying to make everything into a narrower mold.

The problem with remakes is exacerbated by the fact that it's typically a good game being remade. A game where audio, visual, and gameplay elements were thoughtfully designed to be cohesive and express a vision, a mood, an experience. Remakes lose that, and for nothing more than the idea that, what is current is superior, which is in terrible taste. It would be amazing if all N64/PS1/NES/Neo-Geo/etc games became readily available to purchase and play on modern hardware. It would be a tragedy if those games were remakes

Just my opinion. Well early era ps2 games too.

I just feel if the graphics where already decent remasters are better. You dont have to worry about them fucking the game up too bad

voldothegr8 posted...

Well I disagree, V is a boring piece of shit. "Oh the job class system is phenomenal" doesn't mean anything when I have no motivation to move forward.

V is definitely a slog at parts. I feel like 3 had better pacing overall somehow. I had to push myself to finish V.

But V also has the Merged World which may be one of the best "open-world" JRPG experiences ever imo, and totally makes up for the shitty pacing it took to get there. >_>

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Absolutely does. Game aged terribly. I recently played FFV and it turns out that it plays a lot better than FF6 does.

I love both but this is not true at all.

I doubt a FF6 remake would even work, unless it's literally just the original game again but with current gen graphics. And even then, that might look weird.

The dungeons that revolve around switching between characters from a heads-down camera angle that lets you view other rooms around you as you solve puzzles wouldn't work with current game design practices, for one.

CyricZ posted...

I consider it the definitive version, as the music upgrade nearly drove me to tears on more than one occasion.

I love the new orchestrated soundtrack, with the exception of the opera. The vocalist they used sounded amateurish. And before anyone says she's supposed to sound amateurish given the context of the scene, listen to that scene in the ports for France, Italy, etc.

darkace77450 posted...

I love the new orchestrated soundtrack, with the exception of the opera. The vocalist they used sounded amateurish. And before anyone says she's supposed to sound amateurish given the context of the scene, listen to that scene in the ports for France, Italy, etc.

That's what the devs said but it's stupid regardless because she was actually good enough to fool the whole audience+setzer into thinking she was the real Maria until Setzer got up close and personal.

RVallant posted...

With how they've handled the 7 remakes, would you really want 6 to be remade?

We still really acting like 7R hasn't been a massive success and there isn't tons of hype behind Rebirth? God CE lol

Touch posted...

We still really acting like 7R hasn't been a massive success and there isn't tons of hype behind Rebirth? God CE lol

Success or not, there's many fans who don't like the direction they've gone. I for one don't want them turning my beloved FFVI into DMC.

voldothegr8 posted...

Success or not, there's many fans who don't like the direction they've gone. I for one don't want them turning my beloved FFVI into DMC.

but like
disregarding any opinions about the original (massively overrated and tinted by coke bottle thick nostalgia goggles)
a remake wouldnt suddenly make the original stop existing
do you have any reason to oppose it beyond gatekeepy wanking?
why would it not make more sense to let whatever remake come out and then proselytize the original?
unless your afraid to be wrong idk

ArsGoetia posted...

but like
disregarding any opinions about the original (massively overrated and tinted by coke bottle thick nostalgia goggles)
a remake wouldnt suddenly make the original stop existing
do you have any reason to oppose it beyond gatekeepy wanking?
why would it not make more sense to let whatever remake come out and then proselytize the original?
unless your afraid to be wrong idk

What are you babbling about lol. I simply wouldn't buy it if that were to happen, just like the FF7 remakes. It's not about gatekeeping, it's about $E breaking hearts again.

voldothegr8 posted...

What are you babbling about lol. I simply wouldn't buy it if that were to happen, just like the FF7 remakes. It's not about gatekeeping, it's about $E breaking hearts again.

okay, so why be mad?
just buy/emulate the snes cart?
who cares
are they currently making games that live up to jrpg golden age standards? no
so if they wanna attempt remakes, why stop them?
it can literally never be anything less than a net positive for snes FF fans

TMOG posted...

6 is the worst of the SNES trilogy

Don't get confused and think this means it's a bad game, but its the worst of the three and has plenty of flaws, many of which have already been addressed in this topic

4 is a boring linear tropey slog, and doesn't get good until PSP.
Item-duping is the only real "fun" on SNES.